Suicide Bomber Kills at Least 80 in Kabul

[Rooh]

Where did you get that conclusion from? Did you go around taking DNA samples from every village?

You're all desis to me ......you all essentially come from the same background. Why split hairs?

That's why you're an ignorant person. I mean, what can I say to you? Even History of Pashtuns will tell you that your generalizations are stupid. Jatts, Kakar, Awan, Gujjar, Arain, Rajput, Butt, Lone, Saraikis, and then thousands of other clans. lol

Muhajirs from Karachi come from India, and generally claim pathan backgrounds. The irony here is that they are the ones that usually murder Afghans and pathans in Karachi.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

you don't know their aqeeda you FOOL! you calling them murji! lool who do you follow!!?

I never claimed there is an excuse or not of ignorance for shirk akbar! nor i post IS opinion about it!
this is their book تعلموا أمر دينكم - ديوان الدعوة والمساجد في الدولة الإسلامية : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
check it and learn from their own books.

I replied to your audio where abu bakr alqahtani talks about "A making takfir on B who doesn't see C "the mushrik" as kafir for some reason" this is false! and he explained it why!

Now you better understand this situation!

Why would I want to leanr from the books of former members of Hizb Ba'ath? Just because they have grown long beards and make takfeer on Rawaafidh and claim to have a Khilafah, it doesn't mean we should learn religion from them.

The issue is, the audio is merely an example of what kind of zandaqah they teach over there in Iraq & Syria. The situation in Afghanistan with ISIS is even worse.

ISIS claims takfeer is not from aslu deen. That's sufficient to know where they get their religion from: Jahm ibn Safwan.

[sunni]

Part five:

ISIS uses Najdi Dawah books and relies on Najdi dawah scholars, however, they consider Najdi scholar's aqeedah as extremist. The Najdi's don't accept excuse of ignorance in matters pertaining aslu deen ( basics of religion). They consider such people as kuffar and those who refuse to make takfeer and give excuses to such kuffar are also considered kaafirs according to Najdi scholars.

Yet, ISIS went on to execute and kill anyone who teaches takfeer of aadhir claiming they are followers of some Saudi scholar named Haazimi. As if Haazimi traveled into time and spread his ideas among founders of Najdi Dawah.

Truth is, ISIS are like many other salafists. They refuse authentic and traditional scholarship when it conflicts with their political and worldly interests.

Takfeer al-‘aadhir – from the scholars of Najd – Al-Aqeedah

Lol those who dont know much about islam and aqeeda will probably wont understand what you say but i swear even a student of ilm would laugh at you and your lies!!

The hazimi and his dogs making takfir on the entire Ummah not IS! you are probably one of them!

the hazimi say that whoever doesn't make takfir on a mushrik is kafir and whoever doesnt make takfir on that one is kafir himself and so on till they end up making takfir on the entire ummah!!

if A doesn't make takfir on B who is "mushirk" then A is kafir! and if C doesn't make takfir on A cuz A didnt make takfir on B then C is kafir! and so on till you end up with seeing hazimis muslims!

and hazimi isn't part of the Najdi dawah! that is why they call him and his followers as the hazimis!

[sunni]

Part two

The leadership of ISIS are all former members of the secular nationalist Arab party of Saddam Hussain, Hizb Ba'ath. In sharia, membership of any group or party outside the fold of Islam is considered as an act of kufr/apostasy. Therefore all leaders of ISIS are considered Murtadeen unless they come out in public and openly denounce their association with Saddam Hussain's party of kaafirs.

Since they haven't repented in public and since they haven't distanced themselves from their past as kaafirs, there is no reason for Muslims to assume that they are now Muslims.

Defenders of Isis claim that the leading members have repented. But they did so in secret and only to fellow members of Isis. That doesn't count so therefore, it is for Muslims in general no valid reason to consider them as Muslims.

They did repent to some group of muslims! aka mujahideen are a group of muslims! they don't have to repent for the WHOLE world that's impossible! I'm sure no one claimed that they did so in secret beside u. and such Kufr a man should repent from to the Ruler/gov! and IS were the rulers!

this whole post of yours is against what any Aqel muslim would say and think! LOL

[sunni]

Part three:

ISIS considers people who reject their khilafah as kuffar and murtadeen. According to their official sources, if someone doesn't accept them as a legitimate Islamic government, that is considerded as an act of kufr. So they are considering all Muslims around the world to be kuffar unless they accept their Ba'athi khalifah.

Making takfeer on the entire ummah is from characteristics of khawaarij. Therefore, it is safe to say that ISIS are modern day khaariji's.

The evidence for this is their own propaganda video's and articles where they make people who have left other groups and movments to repent and say the shahada again. Why whould anyone make a muslim say the shahada in public again if they haven't left the fold of Islam?

ISIS leaders don't repent in public and say the shahada due to their own ties with an infamous taghoot like Saddam but they force people to repent and say the shahada in public as if they were murtadeen prior to joining ranks of ISIS.

Thats a lie! IS don't consider muslims as kuffar even if they refuse give Bayaa to em or reject their khilafa!

as for the evidence you used it shows how shallow minded you are! they force those who faught them to repent cuz they were in a group of kufr such FSA or other Groups who fall into Ridda!

you are full of lies!!!!!

[Golden]

Whatever lie you need to tell yourself to helps you sleep better at night. But if he claims he's Desi, well then I'm going to believe he's Desi. Case closed.

I get it, you don't want him to be afghani but this type of trolling is normal on forums like pf. Foreinger is Indian pretending to be afghani and karachi is afghani pretending to be indian muhajir. Foreigner even started to admit it lately when he was called out. case closed

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I get it, you don't want him to be afghani

Haha everything you wrote is basically total projection of what you're going through. Irony!

[sunni]

Why would I want to leanr from the books of former members of Hizb Ba'ath? Just because they have grown long beards and make takfeer on Rawaafidh and claim to have a Khilafah, it doesn't mean we should learn religion from them.

The issue is, the audio is merely an example of what kind of zandaqah they teach over there in Iraq & Syria. The situation in Afghanistan with ISIS is even worse.

ISIS claims takfeer is not from aslu deen. That's sufficient to know where they get their religion from: Jahm ibn Safwan.

Grow Up!!
in one post you claim they make takfir on the whole Ummah and the next their jahmis and murji! LOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!

anyway your posts proves you don't know that much about IS and the whole situation in Ummah! you got everything twisted!

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Muhajirs from Karachi come from India, and generally claim pathan backgrounds. The irony here is that they are the ones that usually murder Afghans and pathans in Karachi.

LOL Even Talukhdar Bibi, aka Bengal Tiger claims he's descended from Pashtuns

It's not uncommon among South Asians to grasp and cling to some mythology of having Persian, Arab or Afghan ancestry. Anything to distance themselves from their Ancestors who were Hindus.

I don't see why though, Ancient India had a beautiful culture and history. I guess this is what years of foreign domination does to people like you and Talukhdar

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Grow Up!!
in one post you claim they make takfir on the whole Ummah and the next their jahmis and murji! LOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!

anyway your posts proves you don't know that much about IS and the whole situation in Ummah! you got everything twisted!

Don't blame me. Its ISIS' problem. They make takfeer based on politics. They call everone kaafir because they refuse to accept their stupid fake khilafah. But then they resort to Jahmi reasoning and promote irjaa in aqeedah.

It's not my problem. Its your fake muslim buddies problem. They need to sort their aqeedah and manhaj.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Thats a lie! IS don't consider muslims as kuffar even if they refuse give Bayaa to em or reject their khilafa!

as for the evidence you used it shows how shallow minded you are! they force those who faught them to repent cuz they were in a group of kufr such FSA or other Groups who fall into Ridda!

you are full of lies!!!!!

Who cares IS are Khawarij and if they are Khawarij, Sunni Muslims are obligated to reject them.

The great Hanafi scholar Ibn Aabidin al-Shami in his book Radd al-Muhtar Hasyiyah ‘Ala ad-Durr al-Mukhtar (p, 413) writes :

“His words and who consider the Companions of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be disbelievers are not a condition for someone to be a kharijite, but rather are a mere clarification of what those who revolted against ‘Ali (Allah Most High be well pleased with him) in fact did. Otherwise, it is enough to be convinced of the unbelief of those they fight against, as happened in our own times with the followers of [Muhammad ibn] ‘Abd al-Wahhab, who came out of the Najd in revolt, and took over the sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina. They followed the Hanbali madhhab, but believed that they were the Muslims, and that those who believed differently than they did were polytheists (mushrikin). On this basis, they held it lawful to kill Sunni Muslims (Ahl al-Sunna) and their religious scholars, until Allah Most High dispelled their forces, and the armies of the Muslims attacked their strongholds and subdued them in 1233 A.H. [1818CE].” (Hashiya Radd al-Mukhtar, 4.262)


Anyone who follows Al Najdi is a Kharij. And thus must be rejected by the Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Thats a lie! IS don't consider muslims as kuffar even if they refuse give Bayaa to em or reject their khilafa!

as for the evidence you used it shows how shallow minded you are! they force those who faught them to repent cuz they were in a group of kufr such FSA or other Groups who fall into Ridda!

you are full of lies!!!!!

Sure. I am lying. That's an easy escape for all you baghdadi fanboys. Quit being an emotional little girl. Accept the fact that your entire manhaj is based on zandaqah. You are silly kuffar who only harm muslims and islam. And soon, inshaa Allah you will perish from the face of the earth like rats. I hope Baghdadi and his boys get bombed to pieces as soon as possible.

[sunni]

Don't blame me. Its ISIS' problem. They make takfeer based on politics. They call everone kaafir because they refuse to accept their stupid fake khilafah. But then they resort to Jahmi reasoning and promote irjaa in aqeedah.

It's not my problem. Its your fake muslim buddies problem. They need to sort their aqeedah and manhaj.

Everyone can see your Nifaq where i post a link to their books and you refused to look at it! and then you claim its their problem and they need to sort their aqeedah!!

Sort yourself bro! you will not be excused on judgementday for all what you said.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Who cares IS are Khawarij and if they are Khawarij, Sunni Muslims are obligated to reject them.

The great Hanafi scholar Ibn Aabidin al-Shami in his book Radd al-Muhtar Hasyiyah ‘Ala ad-Durr al-Mukhtar (p, 413) writes :

“His words and who consider the Companions of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be disbelievers are not a condition for someone to be a kharijite, but rather are a mere clarification of what those who revolted against ‘Ali (Allah Most High be well pleased with him) in fact did. Otherwise, it is enough to be convinced of the unbelief of those they fight against, as happened in our own times with the followers of [Muhammad ibn] ‘Abd al-Wahhab, who came out of the Najd in revolt, and took over the sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina. They followed the Hanbali madhhab, but believed that they were the Muslims, and that those who believed differently than they did were polytheists (mushrikin). On this basis, they held it lawful to kill Sunni Muslims (Ahl al-Sunna) and their religious scholars, until Allah Most High dispelled their forces, and the armies of the Muslims attacked their strongholds and subdued them in 1233 A.H. [1818CE].” (Hashiya Radd al-Mukhtar, 4.262)


Anyone who follows Al Najdi is a Kharij. And thus must be rejected by the Ahl Al Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.

Does Ibn Aabidin Shaami have final say on who is right and who is wrong?

[Karachi]

Karachi is a dirty Indian from Bihar/Guttar Pradesh. The result of your marauding hordes of Afghans that raped hindu women. He's got nothing to do with us. Take responsibility for this garbage. It's definitely not on us.

punjab is the closes area to afghanistan and that is where majority of rapes by outsiders occurred, this is a historical fact. No wonder you punjus are so ****ed up in the head and so confused. You are the filthy raped race