Pakistani Pashtuns burning Afghanistan´s flag

[Firdousi]

Tajik fascists are on the same page with any enemy of Afghanistan. Be it Iran, Russia or Punjab. They consider Pashtun dominance in Afghanistan as the major reason for the current state of affairs. War, poverty, corruption and lack of education are all caused by Pashtuns, they say.

This type of hatred for Pashtuns is very common among certain groups of Tajiks, Hazara's and Uzbeks.

War, drugs, extremism,.. indeed are Pashtuns fault. But corruption and poverty is also to be blamed on non Pashtuns. After all Abdullah, Rabbani, Dostum, Mohaqeq,.. and so on are corrupt non Pashtun warlords.

So you are wrong. There is real problem with Pashtuns in both, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not even Pashtuns can answer how its possible for so many countries to take advantage of Pashtuns. I mean this does not happen with other ethnic groups. Only Pashtuns are used as pawns and puppets by everyone.

[Firdousi]

I see what you're saying, but I don't think those are innate attributes of the culture, but something that arises when power dynamics come into play and it develops a concept of entitlement. This is one reason why I take a more objective and comprehensive attitude on Afghan history, because we have people shouting "Rumi belongs to Afghanistan" or "we should kick them back across the Amu Darya" ..because we have people who actually ERRANTLY believe that those regions were historically native lands for Afghans. We forget they were acquired by conquest. Hence all these hyperbolic attempts are made to suggest Pashtuns existed in antiquity with nebulous word associations of "Pakhta" ...Pactuye ..."Ashvakas" etc etc.. It's all politically motivated.

.....But THAT's NOT the heart of the culture, do you think Pashtuns in general know or even care about that stuff? Real Pashtuns are people of folklore, yes there is a "warrior" principle among Pashtuns, but there's also a principle of "Malmastia" and grace. These hyper aggressive types are not the norm of Pashtun society.

Most of them are as estranged to Pashtuns as you can imagine. Even Khostai who actually speaks Pashto, has adopted Western Liberal indoctrination, is hostile towards the mainstream Islamic values held by the normative Pashtuns ,something completely foreign to people of Khost; yet he yaps that he's a Pashtun Nationalist and that people in Khost will welcome him with open arms. LOL

You might be right. Violence might not be part of Pashtun culture.. but right now Pashtun culture and violence are synonyms. Thats what I feel and thats many other people feel (except Pashtuns who want to blame all their miseries on Punjabis basically because that makes them feel like victims and not culprits). As I have said many times Pashtuns are main victims of this stupid and constant state of war. So guys you should try to change it. Religious fanaticism, violence and war among Pashtuns can only be stopped by Pashtuns themselves.

Khostai or Aryana are confused people. Dont take them even seriously. I bet Aryana has never been in Afghanistan.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

War, drugs, extremism,.. indeed are Pashtuns fault. But corruption and poverty is also to be blamed on non Pashtuns. After all Abdullah, Rabbani, Dostum, Mohaqeq,.. and so on are corrupt non Pashtun warlords.

So you are wrong. There is real problem with Pashtuns in both, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Not even Pashtuns can answer how its possible for so many countries to take advantage of Pashtuns. I mean this does not happen with other ethnic groups. Only Pashtuns are used as pawns and puppets by everyone.

Nobody is denying problems within Pashtun society except a few nationalist idiots. But as a tajik nationalist, you are worse. Tajiks are just as bad as Pashtuns. You keep blaming Pashtuns for everything that isn't going well in Afghanistan. I don't respect your opinion and I have no respect for you as a person because you are not here to talk about common problems with fellow human beings. Here are here as a frustrated Tajik troll who obviously doesn't have a job and posts a dozen times on a Pashtun forum talking trash.

[Golden]

Firdousi may come off as hater but he has a point, Taliban is 100% afghani pathans. Well documented Afghanistan modern history (100 years or so dominated by pathan kings or presidents) consist of afghani pathans being genocidal maniac against hazaras, tajiks, nuristanis well before Taliban existed.

It's hilarious how afghani pathans play victim card here.

[Manzareh]

Firdousi may come off as hater but he has a point, Taliban is 100% afghani pathans. Well documented Afghanistan modern history (100 years or so dominated by pathan kings or presidents) consist of afghani pathans being genocidal maniac against hazaras, tajiks, nuristanis well before Taliban existed.

It's hilarious how afghani pathans play victim card here.

Play victim card how?

Thank the Pathan Talibans for defeating russia and america, if they didn't, your begherat punjabi ass's would have been next, and i dont think you punjabyaan are tough enough to fight russia or america. so give thanks you were saved from being invaded.

[Golden]

Play victim card how?

Thank the Pathan Talibans for defeating russia and america, if they didn't, your begherat punjabi ass's would have been next, and i dont think you punjabyaan are tough enough to fight russia or america. so give thanks you were saved from being invaded.

Afghani pathans just resisted after ISI toke over. Otherwise Soviets were literally annihilated your villagers, we saved afghani pathans by allowing them to escape to Pakistan. Have some ghairat and be thankful haramkhor.

Punjabis trained you to fight Soviets, have some shame.

[Manzareh]

Afghani pathans just resisted after ISI toke over. Otherwise Soviets were literally annihilated your villagers, we saved afghani pathans by allowing them to escape to Pakistan. Have some ghairat and be thankful haramkhor.

Punjabis trained you to fight Soviets, have some shame.

After ISI toke over what? what is the name of the punjabi that trained Afghanis to fight soviets?

Mr lollywood calm down with your nonsense, which cinema did you learn this shiit from, you can't even save yourself from USA & Russia let alone save anybody else.

[Golden]

After ISI toke over what? what is the name of the punjabi that trained Afghanis to fight soviets?

Mr lollywood calm down with your nonsense, which cinema did you learn this shiit from, you can't even save yourself from USA & Russia let alone save anybody else.

Wait are you seriously this dumb? It's well established fact ISI helped you resist Soviets. Before them you guys were literary being bombed from village to village. 1.5 million afghanis killed, millions fled to Pakistan.

Men you're one retarded afghani, typical one. Last time I checked it's not Pakistan who is under USA and Russian occupation since 1979 lol

And BTW most of ISI agents who trained you were punjabis.

[Manzareh]

Punjabis trained you to fight Soviets, have some shame.

Punjabis are nobodys even in pakistan army lol.

How would a Punjabay teach Pashtuns how to fight when Pashtuns are the ones that teach Punjabis how to fight, so have some shame.

Count how many Pashtun generals in Pakistan and count how many Punjabi's generals there are. General Kayani and General Karamat, who else??

Punjabis have the biggest population percentage in Paskistan yet when it comes to fighting, even mohajirs are you're seniors. so dont talk rubbish about being the reason soviets were defeated. idiot

[Manzareh]

Wait are you seriously this dumb? It's well established fact ISI helped you resist Soviets. Before them you guys were literary being bombed from village to village. 1.5 million afghanis killed, millions fled to Pakistan.

Men you're one retarded afghani, typical one. Last time I checked it's not Pakistan who is under USA and Russian occupation since 1979 lol

And BTW most of ISI agents who trained you were punjabis.

Obviously when huge areas are being bombed millions of innocent civilians are going to die. doesnt take a genious to work that out. The fighters stayed behind and fought till the war was over. Where was Punjabi soldiers and army when their Muslim neighbours were being invaded? hiding in their country, you scared chickens where afraid of being soviets next target so you decided to give a little 'indirect help' so your ass's might be spared in the future, if you were really brave you would have sent your tanks across the border.

they fled across to their own Pashtun brothers in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa they didnt flee to Punjab, so dont take credit for looking after refugees as if you accepted them into you're own house you shameless dog.

look at your begherat punjabi generals allowing American bases in pakistan and allowing kaafir to bomb its own regions, you are the blood of a coward so get back in the corner where you belong and shut your mouth.

[Golden]

Obviously when huge areas are being bombed millions of innocent civilians are going to die. doesnt take a genious to work that out. The fighters stayed behind and fought till the war was over. Where was Punjabi soldiers and army when their Muslim neighbours were being invaded? hiding in their country, you scared chickens where afraid of being soviets next target so you decided to give a little 'indirect help' so your ass's might be spared in the future, if you were really brave you would have sent your tanks across the border.

they fled across to their own Pashtun brothers in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa they didnt flee to Punjab, so dont take credit for looking after refugees as if you accepted them into you're own house you shameless dog.

look at your begherat punjabi generals allowing American bases in pakistan and allowing kaafir to bomb its own regions, you are the blood of a coward so get back in the corner where you belong and shut your mouth.

Actually helping afghanis was Zia biggest mistake, he was islamist. Afghanis fled to punjab in millions, this lie of afghanis only fled to KPK is load of BS. There are more afghanis in Karachi then anywhere else.

Pakistan helped you as much as it could, even trained you to resist Soviets and gave millions of you shelter to escape invasion. It's just that afghanis are known as haramkhors in Pakistan for a reason. Because if things were other way around no way these haramkhors would have done something same for Pakistanis. Without Islamabad green signal afghani pathans can't even cross Torkham border to meet their paki pathan brothers.

Muslims of Pakistan region already experienced afghani hospitality when some brainwashed mullahs crossed hindu kush to live in Afghanistan.

For afghani pathans like you going forward is only possible if

1. Stop hating neighbour ethnic groups and blaming them for state you are in. Hell you're blaming us for USA invasion as well lol

2. Stop being haramkhors and accept the fact punjabis helped you survive, live and prosper. That's why millions of you don't want to go back to Afghanistan.

Russians never had balls to cross hindu kush even when Pakistan brought down their aircrafts. Here are couple of well known your punjabi masters who trained you and armed you to fight soviets. There are many more but i only know about them because they continued to support afghani taliban long after cold war was over and eventually killed by some TTP militants.

Khalid Khawaja - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Colonel Imam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Between May 1986 and November 1988,[36] PAF F-16s have shot down at least eight intruders from Afghanistan. The first three of these (one Su-22, one probable Su-22, and one An-26) were shot down by two pilots from No. 9 Squadron. Pilots of No. 14 Squadron destroyed the remaining five intruders (two Su-22s, two MiG-23s, and one Su-25).[37] Most of these kills were by the AIM-9 Sidewinder, but at least one (a Su-22) was destroyed by cannon fire. Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmoud is credited with three of these kills. One F-16 was lost in these battles during an encounter between two F-16s and four Soviet Air Force MiG 23s on 29 April 1987. The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Shahid Sikandar Khan, ejected safely.[38]"

Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop living in delusions of defeating Russian with sticks and stones. No one says Afghanis defeated soviets, not even your western masters. They instead give credit to Pakistan/ISI.

[Firdousi]

Nobody is denying problems within Pashtun society except a few nationalist idiots. But as a tajik nationalist, you are worse. Tajiks are just as bad as Pashtuns. You keep blaming Pashtuns for everything that isn't going well in Afghanistan. I don't respect your opinion and I have no respect for you as a person because you are not here to talk about common problems with fellow human beings. Here are here as a frustrated Tajik troll who obviously doesn't have a job and posts a dozen times on a Pashtun forum talking trash.

Says the takfiri lol

I don't need your approval. Never said Pashtuns should be blamed for everything. Its pretty obvious Pashtuns got a problem when it comes to extremism. Never said Tajiks are perfect. I have pointed out several times that all Afghans, regardless their ethnic background, need to be educated.

BTW my fiancé is a Pashtun Mohmand from Paktia-Kunar lol

[Firdousi]

Its hilarious how Pakistanis want to take credit for the sacrifices that Afghans have done during the past 40 years. As a loser nation that has lost all the war it was fought they need desperately to take credit for someone else achievements.

Not a single Paki soldier or civilian died during the Soviet invasion. You coward Pakis knew that the ultimate goal of URSS was warm waters of Gwadar. So if URSS managed to take over Afghanistan Pakistan would be the next victim. Since Pakistanis are cowards, they would be easily defeated. Basically you losers were fighting for your own interests. Dont sugarcoat your greed with nice words. Nobody is buying it except few uneducated Pakis lol

[Manzareh]

Actually helping afghanis was Zia biggest mistake, he was islamist. Afghanis fled to punjab in millions, this lie of afghanis only fled to KPK is load of BS. There are more afghanis in Karachi then anywhere else.

Pakistan helped you as much as it could, even trained you to resist Soviets and gave millions of you shelter to escape invasion. It's just that afghanis are known as haramkhors in Pakistan for a reason. Because if things were other way around no way these haramkhors would have done something same for Pakistanis. Without Islamabad green signal afghani pathans can't even cross Torkham border to meet their paki pathan brothers.

Muslims of Pakistan region already experienced afghani hospitality when some brainwashed mullahs crossed hindu kush to live in Afghanistan.

For afghani pathans like you going forward is only possible if

1. Stop hating neighbour ethnic groups and blaming them for state you are in. Hell you're blaming us for USA invasion as well lol

2. Stop being haramkhors and accept the fact punjabis helped you survive, live and prosper. That's why millions of you don't want to go back to Afghanistan.

Russians never had balls to cross hindu kush even when Pakistan brought down their aircrafts. Here are couple of well known your punjabi masters who trained you and armed you to fight soviets. There are many more but i only know about them because they continued to support afghani taliban long after cold war was over and eventually killed by some TTP militants.

Khalid Khawaja - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Colonel Imam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Between May 1986 and November 1988,[36] PAF F-16s have shot down at least eight intruders from Afghanistan. The first three of these (one Su-22, one probable Su-22, and one An-26) were shot down by two pilots from No. 9 Squadron. Pilots of No. 14 Squadron destroyed the remaining five intruders (two Su-22s, two MiG-23s, and one Su-25).[37] Most of these kills were by the AIM-9 Sidewinder, but at least one (a Su-22) was destroyed by cannon fire. Flight Lieutenant Khalid Mahmoud is credited with three of these kills. One F-16 was lost in these battles during an encounter between two F-16s and four Soviet Air Force MiG 23s on 29 April 1987. The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Shahid Sikandar Khan, ejected safely.[38]"

Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Stop living in delusions of defeating Russian with sticks and stones. No one says Afghanis defeated soviets, not even your western masters. They instead give credit to Pakistan/ISI.

Karachi is not in Punjab, so why is it itching you're arse if Pashtuns are there, and how does that give credit to Punjabi's like you said.

Out of the two people you gave a reference to as 'Punjabi masters that trained you' one was a Pashtun SSG cammando from waziristan LOL you idiot, and the other guy was in the Air Force.. Tell me how did afghans need Air Force training to defeat soviets? Your justifications are a load of BS.

You think the world gives credit to Punjabi's for afghans defeating soviets LOLOL you are in dream land.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Its hilarious how Pakistanis want to take credit for the sacrifices that Afghans have done during the past 40 years. As a loser nation that has lost all the war it was fought they need desperately to take credit for someone else achievements.

Not a single Paki soldier or civilian died during the Soviet invasion. You coward Pakis knew that the ultimate goal of URSS was warm waters of Gwadar. So if URSS managed to take over Afghanistan Pakistan would be the next victim. Since Pakistanis are cowards, they would be easily defeated. Basically you losers were fighting for your own interests. Dont sugarcoat your greed with nice words. Nobody is buying it except few uneducated Pakis lol

The talibs or the majahideen didn't even had the pistols of their own let alone the training and resource's provided by Pakistan against USSR and not just this but many from Pakistan joined the resistance against USSR.

Today you guys curse Pakistan for the terrorism/taliban in Afghanistan(Similar statements made by Najeeb during USSR occupation) but 20 years from now or when the NATO leave Afghanistan,you guys will hail this as a victory and another statement of Graveyardofempires will be issued.

Anyway we don't want to take credit for anything.We are given the task to protect Muslim Ummah because we are made the Leader since we are the only surviving martial race and we have the capacity to give befitting reply to the kufr forces acting against the interest of Islam and the ummah around the world.