Pakistani Pashtuns burning Afghanistan´s flag

[Samandri]

Sources? Kashmiri are 1000% better then what Pakistan is doing/did to Wazeristan. Have you ever heard India using air force to bombard Kashmir?

No use of Air force , Tanks etc by Indian army in Kashmir............But Kashmiris were not spared and left alone during the heights of insurgency.....mass graves, rapes, torture cells, arrests for no reasons etc, Kashmiri Muslims had to endure it.....Kashmiri leaders of India themselves make such claims....If India can butcher thousands of Sikhs during insurgency in Punjab, why they would spare Kashmiri Muslims in 90s?

[Golden]

I agree with you, it would have been even worse than Occupied Kashmir....as Pashtuns have mentality of returning blow for pinch....and India would have been 100 times more harsh on Pashtuns than they were on Kashmiris. Bacha Khan, whose niece was married to a non-Muslim Sikh, was a Congressi, who copied his non-violence from his mentor Gandhi, was making us slaves of Hindus (the genuine Dhalkhors who nowadays are stabbing some Muslims for eating mutton)...........Afghans are fooled by ANP nationalists, the former incorrectly believe that Khudai Khidmatgar had locked its horns with British for Loy Afghanistan.

Yep things could have been much worse then IoK. Khalistan movement started soon after partition but India played their cards well to permanently settle the issue by taking advantage of caste differences between sikhs.

[Golden]

Sources? Kashmiri are 1000% better then what Pakistan is doing/did to Wazeristan. Have you ever heard India using air force to bombard Kashmir?

I know Afghanis love TTP but they were not fighting Loy Afghanistan in Waziristan lol

[Samandri]

. Only area with real Afghans in Pakistan are Quetta and Balochistan.

Its true, the only Pashtuns in Pakistan, who were overwhelmingly offended by "Go Afghani Go" slogan , were those of Quetta and PMAP's strongholds...... Mahmud Achakzai frequently says "Lar o Bar yo Afghan" and always has sympathies with Afghanistan.......that being said , most of the tribal chiefs of kakars and other Pashtun tribes of Balochistan were strong supporters of Jinnah. They made sure that Baluchistan becomes part of Pakistan......here is picture of Jogezai nawab (chief of kakars) with Jinnah

[Azmal]

Pashtuns are already a weak, divided and subdued people. You don't need to blame all your miseries on "Shia Media". Its your own tribal culture that makes you kill each other. You will never have unity as long as you don't leave behind your stupid tribalism. There is no Durrand Line. Its an international recognized border. Pathans don't give a sh*t about you guys. Its time to wake up, accept your defeat and move on. It will take time but after few decades you Pashtuns will manage to have a stronger position in Afghanistan. But you need to change. If you don't, then everyone will take use of your stupidity. Mark my words. Its for your own good.

Yup…a well know lying, identities anti-Pashtun who is obsessed with Pashtun to the point he even comes to Pashtun forum knows what are interest of Pashtuns. If we wanted your advice we would ask for it. Afghanistan does not recognize Durand as border thus legally per Afghan law it is NOT a border. Mind you even if Afghanistan recognizes Durand as international border, it will NOT stop Pakistan's interference in Afghanistan or use of Islamist to burn school and destroy Afghanistan…simply because the creation of Pakistan has a country in itself is rooted in believes that an individual's religious affinity bypass his or her political and economic inspirations… If you remove the religion factor from Pakistan, Pakistan automatically merges with India.

[Azmal]

Its true, the only Pashtuns in Pakistan, who were overwhelmingly offended by "Go Afghani Go" slogan , were those of Quetta and PMAP's strongholds...... Mahmud Achakzai frequently says "Lar o Bar yo Afghan" and always has sympathies with Afghanistan.......that being said , most of the tribal chiefs of kakars and other Pashtun tribes of Balochistan were strong supporters of Jinnah. They made sure that Baluchistan becomes part of Pakistan......here is picture of Jogezai nawab (chief of kakars) with Jinnah

A Photo can not proves support, please post your sources for these claims.

[Azmal]

No use of Air force , Tanks etc by Indian army in Kashmir............But Kashmiris were not spared and left alone during the heights of insurgency.....mass graves, rapes, torture cells, arrests for no reasons etc, Kashmiri Muslims had to endure it.....Kashmiri leaders of India themselves make such claims....If India can butcher thousands of Sikhs during insurgency in Punjab, why they would spare Kashmiri Muslims in 90s?

These are Pakistani media claims which have not been proven by a UN. On other hand more than 1 million Pashtun from Wazeristan become refugees and most of Wazeristan was totally destroyed by Paki fuj. Worst Punjab and Sindh gov refusal to allow Pashtun refugees in..which proves the fact that comradeship among Pakistani are artificial. PM of Punjab even dated to publically request Taliban to target KP instead of Punjab.

[Azmal]

Honestly iv always put Afghan unity and Afghanistan ahead of just focusing on Pashtuns. Though obviously they go hand in hand since Afghanistan is our country, I dont really care for Pakistani Pashtuns they quite obviously dont care about us, are loyal to Porkistan, and have been for the most part Punjabized. Only area with real Afghans in Pakistan are Quetta and Balochistan.

Our government have continuously back stab"Pakistani Pashtuns" starting in 1919 when Amanrullah Khan singed the Rawalpindi treaty but lied to Wazir and Masud that fought with Afghan army against British that it was temporary ceasefire...again when Pali Khan rebelled against British Raj..kabul did nothing to support him. When Soviet invaded and Pakistani government was encouraging village Afghans to come to Pakistan, it was the same "Pakistani Pashtuns" that provided Afghans shelter. For the past 40 years Afghan refugees been living among these "Pakistani Pashtuns" other then Police harassment (they even harassed the citizen too) or Paki gov harassment... you can not find a single case of people dishonoring Afghan refugees. On other hand in 90s 80 thousands Tajikistani took refugees in north Afghanistan...their boys, girls and even married woman were kidnapped and raped by Saqawi thugs.

[Azmal]

I know Afghanis love TTP but they were not fighting Loy Afghanistan in Waziristan lol

So total destruction of Waziristan... deterrence of any report or reporter in area...use of heavy weaponry including bombardment by F16 and more than 1 million refugees are all justified because of few hundred--may a thousand or two TTP? How can Kashmir be worst then same British raj forward policy… political agent, collective punishment, banning of political groups except Islamist?

[Golden]

So total destruction of Waziristan... deterrence of any report or reporter in area...use of heavy weaponry including bombardment by F16 and more than 1 million refugees are all justified because of few hundred--may a thousand or two TTP? How can Kashmir be worst then same British raj forward policy… political agent, collective punishment, banning of political groups except Islamist?

First of all they are not "refugees", that word is used for afghanis. Blowing up some places of terrorists isn't total destruction, people were moved out so civilians deaths could be kept at minimum. There is 10 times worst civil war going in Afghanistan right now between Taliban and ANA yet we don't hear much about it here.

Zarb-e-azb was worth it and you should be happy with it as well. These people were not fighting for your Low Afghanistan but blowing up innocents all over Pakistan, especially KPK.

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2016

[Samandri]

a photo can not proves support, please post your sources for these claims.

Pakistan Movement in Baluchistan - Dr. Inamul Haq Kausar.pdf | Solidfiles

[Samandri]

These are Pakistani media claims which have not been proven by a UN. On other hand more than 1 million Pashtun from Wazeristan become refugees and most of Wazeristan was totally destroyed by Paki fuj. Worst Punjab and Sindh gov refusal to allow Pashtun refugees in..which proves the fact that comradeship among Pakistani are artificial. PM of Punjab even dated to publically request Taliban to target KP instead of Punjab.

True yet i dont hear them talking about joining Afghanistan .....they are calling names to Pakistan army right now due to sufferings and miseries,..... but with no separatist inclination.......They are not like Baloch separatists

[Samandri]

F These people were not fighting for your Low Afghanistan but blowing up innocents all over Pakistan, especially KPK.

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2016

Thats why people of Bannu, Lakki, Karak, Tank, DI Khan etc did not receive Waziristan IDPs with warm welcome and hospitality.... People in our areas did not accommodate them in their baitaks, hujras and extra houses for free, but received "kiraya", rent from them. Even in modern days, before this TTP thing is started, Wazirs were lifting cattle from settled areas and were kidnapping people for ransom.....they are not exactly type of people who can be easily pitied. Historically they have always been into looting, robberies and marauding and their targets always have been their own Pashtun neighbors....King Nadir Shah sought help of Wazirs and Mehsuds against Bacha Saqao, but he was shocked when Wazirs started looting entire Kabul city (they looted Kabul city for three days continuous and there was no one to stop them).......next year Wazirs planned to loot Kabul again, but Afghan forces were alert in Khost and defeated the Waziri lashkar...

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Burning of flag of other country should not be allowed and police should look for those involved by identifying them from the video.

[Golden]

I am not blaming Pathans. I am blaming some Pashtun Afghan nationalist, obsessed with this stupid Loy Afghanistan BS. Its a dead horse. No matter how much these nationalists beat it, it won't get them anywhere. They have screwed our relationship with Pakistan several times. Honestly, as a Tajik, I don't care about Pakistan. You are just another Islamic country to me. But Pashtun nationalists have been systematically played this card, that has brought us nothing but pain and misery. To us and to you. And here we are, hating each other when should learn to coexist.

Your country should also change its current pro-Pashtun policy and try to approach Tajiks. Dont get me wrong, brother, probably Tajiks are among all Afghan ethnicity those who hate your country the most. But we won't attack you as long as you stop your attacks on us. Since we are an highly urbanized ethnic group, our loyalty belongs to the state-nation and not to our ethnicity. Thats why the average Tajiks cares much more about Afghanistan than the average Pashtun, who still stuck in that stup*d ethnic/tribal paradigma/mentality (I must say at least you Pakistani Pashtuns have left behind this stage).

I get it you don't want millions more pathans to bully you in Loy Afghanistan but I don't think Pakistan can work with Tajiks to undermine afghani pathans. As I said now it's time for fences and gates on border. After that what you guys do in Afghanistan will not concern Pakistan.

There was a time when Pakistan wanted western border to remain as it is but because of taliban it's not possible anymore. It will not matter if Afghani government is friendly or not if Pak army is taking care western border like it does on eastern side. Ideally Pakistan army would have wanted to concentrate mostly on eastern side if afghani brothers will not bother us, but that dream died soon after 1962.