were Afghan rulers pashtunist?

[Toramana]

No language can remain the language of culture and civilization forever. And these are turns of history. The people of Norway practiced cannibalism a thousands years ago (in 11th Century) yet they are one of the most organized and civilized society today. Pashtuns are a hardy race and once having come out of old tradition, they will progress by leaps and bounds.

[Golden]

On Contrary Pashtuns have no Turks or Dravidian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns

The haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) is found at a frequency of 51.02% among the Pashtun people. Paragroup Q-M242 (xMEH2, xM378) (of Haplogroup Q-M242 (Y-DNA)) was found at 16.3% in Pashtuns.[77] Haplogroup Q-M242 is also found at a frequency of 18% in Pashtuns in the Afghan capital of Kabul.[78]
According to a 2012 study:

"MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers. In addition, gene flow to Afghanistan from India marked by Indian lineages, L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124, also seems to mostly involve Pashtuns and Tajiks. This genetic affinity and gene flow suggests interactions that could have existed since at least the establishment of the region's first civilizations at the Indus Valley and the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex."

The abstract states:"our results that all current Afghans largely share a heritage derived from a common unstructured ancestral population that could have emerged during the Neolithic revolution and the formation of the first farming communities. Our results also indicate that inter-Afghan differentiation started during the Bronze Age, probably driven by the formation of the first civilizations in the region."[79]
However, there is a clear genetic difference amongst Pashtuns and Persian speakers of Afghanistan in terms of inverse J2a/R1a frequencies





J-M172 is found at moderate frequencies among Central Asian people such as Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks, Kazakhs, and Yaghnobis. According to the genetic study in Northeast China by Shou et al. (2010), a notable high frequency of J-M172 is observed particularly in Uyghurs 34% and Uzbeks 30.4% in East Turkestan, China. J*-M304, which is the genetic marker to define Paragroup J-P209, is also found among Xibo, Kazakh, Dongxiang and Uzbek people in Northwest China. This study also displays how far lineage J2 reached eastward, and it is also noted that the estimated age of J2-M172 in this region seems more ancient than the history of Islam.

Above proves Changiz khan having his way with your great great grandma. --I call you flat headed for no reason! lol

Men you are one ignorant poster, kill yourself before posting something again about genetics.

http://www.harappadna.org/2014/01/afghan-dataset/

Afghanis are all mixed with each other. The reason afghani pashtuns have more south indian genes is because of being closer to Hindu Kush, while other ethnicity are more influenced by east asian genes. This doesn't mean afghani pathans have no east asian at all, they also have quite a bit.

R1a doesn't mean much, 71% of Mohanna Sindhis were found to have it and according to British empire sources they were darker then average sindhi.

I guess before east asian genes invaded afghanis pretty much had same admixture scores across ethnics.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You see? Even a smart Pashtun like yourself is unable to accept the truth and rather you prefer to hide behind fancy words.

Embarrassing.

No I understood exactly what you meant; but even the statement is flawed, as there were cultures even within that umbrella of "culture" often competing against one another. Often not sharing an overarching theme or principle.

As the Hashshashin culture the same as Reza Pahlavi? Ikhwan Al Safa the same as Al Bukhari? If your unifying principle is language, then that's a bit tenuous as a measuring stick.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Poha/pooya--knowledge or searching and it is even common with old Persian. check it out.

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bi...t&display=utf8


While Amir Kror, Kushal Khatak and Hamza baba beloveds were girls/feminine their counterparts in the canon of Farsi poetry, Hafez, Saadi and even and Rumi, wrote of their infatuation with young boys.

Good source; however, If you examine the Persian word pu'ya and pashto word poha, they're unrelated.


پوهه Poha ends with Ha, where as Pu'ya . پویا ends with Alif

even the meanings; Poha means having understanding, possessing knowledge, someone who is "Pohand" refers to someone who has achieved knowledge. So even if we suggest "Pu'ya" is equivalent to "Search for knowledge", which is quite a stretch, it wouldn't be analogous.

In Pashto we use the term "ezda" when referring to seeking knowledge like "Ezda waka" means study or learn.

About Pashtuns and pederasty in poetry; here are some examples

Baryalai Samadi - Pekay Arawalay Halak De Sumra Khkulai Pashto New Song - YouTube

This is song by Ubaidullah Jan, which is based on the poetry of Sayyed Abdul Khaleq

Rozi di naswala ashnaye da khpal ashna zorgaya - YouTube

The lyrics are clearly romantic and clearly directed to a male.

[Firdousi]

No I understood exactly what you meant; but even the statement is flawed, as there were cultures even within that umbrella of "culture" often competing against one another. Often not sharing an overarching theme or principle.

As the Hashshashin culture the same as Reza Pahlavi? Ikhwan Al Safa the same as Al Bukhari? If your unifying principle is language, then that's a bit tenuous as a measuring stick.

Hashashashin were an offshoot of the Persian culture. They unifying principle is language, culture, architecture, clothes, poetry,literature, behavior, and so on.

Please answer: which culture has contributed the most to Humanity, Persian or Pashto?

[Firdousi]

No language can remain the language of culture and civilization forever. And these are turns of history. The people of Norway practiced cannibalism a thousands years ago (in 11th Century) yet they are one of the most organized and civilized society today. Pashtuns are a hardy race and once having come out of old tradition, they will progress by leaps and bounds.

Inshallah.

[Golden]

Hashashashin were an offshoot of the Persian culture. They unifying principle is language, culture, architecture, clothes, poetry,literature, behavior, and so on.

Please answer: which culture has contributed the most to Humanity, Persian or Pashto?

Paki pathans are educated lot, better for sure then Tajiks/persians of Afghanistan without any shadow of doubt. On average in every field they are on par with punjabis and muhajirs. In Pakistan sindhis and baloch are two ethnic groups who need quota to advance in career. So problem is certainly with afghani state if Afghani pathans are somehow less educated then Tajiks. Remember pathans are same in both sides.

[Friends of Baloch]

Paki pathans are educated lot, better for sure then Tajiks/persians of Afghanistan without any shadow of doubt. On average in every field they are on par with punjabis and muhajirs.

No. You're a typical punjabi dimwit, claiming that Pashtuns are on par with an imbecile like you is an insult to Pashtuns. Pashtuns are better than you. Education in pakiland isnt worth a daal stained rupee.

Smelly paki ji dont try to compare yourselves to Pashtuns or any Afghan. If you want to compare pakis to anyone then compare yourselves to your own punjabi brothers and fathers, the Sikhs.

[ANAcommander]

No. You're a typical punjabi dimwit, claiming that Pashtuns are on par with an imbecile like you is an insult to Pashtuns. Pashtuns are better than you. Education in pakiland isnt worth a daal stained rupee.

Smelly paki ji dont try to compare yourselves to Pashtuns or any Afghan. If you want to compare pakis to anyone then compare yourselves to your own punjabi brothers and fathers, the Sikhs.

How much more **** are you going to suck fake-baluch. It's a good thing you left the country when you did. Please come meet me anywhere in Pakistan, I will break your face. But now you will start your anti-punjabi rhetoric because you are a scared hindu living the life a Baluch separtist online.

You will say come to Quetta, Khuzdar, or Turbat, but I have been to all three of those cities and some villages in Baluchistan as well. I have baloch tribal friends that would literally beat the **** out of you. So, stop hiding behind this Punjbai hate speech. Let's meet up and see what happens.

I know you will never make an appearance because you are a coward hindu hiding behind a fake ID. You tell me the date, and I will be there as soon as I can, and I will have my cousin film me beating the **** out of you. That's a promise. I can easily take a laari from Karachi.

So what are you going to do now? Post more pictures of Punjabi masalis to make yourself feel better? Take the challenge you Indian. I will take a brick to your teeth and make sure I spill your brain for the dogs to eat.

[Friends of Baloch]

How much more **** are you going to suck fake-baluch. It's a good thing you left the country when you did. Please come meet me anywhere in Pakistan, I will break your face. But now you will start your anti-punjabi rhetoric because you are a scared hindu living the life a Baluch separtist online.

You will say come to Quetta, Khuzdar, or Turbat, but I have been to all three of those cities and some villages in Baluchistan as well. I have baloch tribal friends that would literally beat the **** out of you. So, stop hiding behind this Punjbai hate speech. Let's meet up and see what happens.

I know you will never make an appearance because you are a coward hindu hiding behind a fake ID. You tell me the date, and I will be there as soon as I can, and I will have my cousin film me beating the **** out of you. That's a promise. I can easily take a laari from Karachi.

So what are you going to do now? Post more pictures of Punjabi masalis to make yourself feel better? Take the challenge you Indian. I will take a brick to your teeth and make sure I spill your brain for the dogs to eat.

Shut up you skinny little paki runt. Bud bud ding ding come meet me in historic Hindu city of Rawalpindi lmao.

Puny internet warrior, nobody is scared of ugly Dravidian pakis. Nobody.

This paki guy ANASingh holding his small curry d*ck at the computer screen sounds to me like this:

[Golden]

No. You're a typical punjabi dimwit, claiming that Pashtuns are on par with an imbecile like you is an insult to Pashtuns. Pashtuns are better than you. Education in pakiland isnt worth a daal stained rupee.

Smelly paki ji dont try to compare yourselves to Pashtuns or any Afghan. If you want to compare pakis to anyone then compare yourselves to your own punjabi brothers and fathers, the Sikhs.

not sure if you are pretending to be retarded or actually are

[Friends of Baloch]

not sure if you are pretending to be retarded or actually are

Nope. You pakis are the retarded ones. Your two nation "theory" is retarded. Your Ali Jinnah was retarded. The name of your country is retarded. Your paki anthem is retarded. Your Hindu caste system is retarded. Everything about you digusting pakis is retarded. lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Hashashashin were an offshoot of the Persian culture. They unifying principle is language, culture, architecture, clothes, poetry,literature, behavior, and so on.

Please answer: which culture has contributed the most to Humanity, Persian or Pashto?

But Hashashahin weren't the same culture as Bukhari clearly. So clearly this statement is ludicrous. There was nothing overarching that they shared except Persian language. hence tenuous.

Refer to my other post, detailed analysis is required, not an poster online setting up false dichotomies.

[Azmal]

Good source; however, If you examine the Persian word pu'ya and pashto word poha, they're unrelated.


پوهه Poha ends with Ha, where as Pu'ya . پویا ends with Alif

even the meanings; Poha means having understanding, possessing knowledge, someone who is "Pohand" refers to someone who has achieved knowledge. So even if we suggest "Pu'ya" is equivalent to "Search for knowledge", which is quite a stretch, it wouldn't be analogous.

In Pashto we use the term "ezda" when referring to seeking knowledge like "Ezda waka" means study or learn.

About Pashtuns and pederasty in poetry; here are some examples

Baryalai Samadi - Pekay Arawalay Halak De Sumra Khkulai Pashto New Song - YouTube

This is song by Ubaidullah Jan, which is based on the poetry of Sayyed Abdul Khaleq

Rozi di naswala ashnaye da khpal ashna zorgaya - YouTube

The lyrics are clearly romantic and clearly directed to a male.

Fairoz Qunduzi is even more vivid but these are recent influences of Bacha-bazi culture.

[Porus]

How much more **** are you going to suck fake-baluch. It's a good thing you left the country when you did. Please come meet me anywhere in Pakistan, I will break your face. But now you will start your anti-punjabi rhetoric because you are a scared hindu living the life a Baluch separtist online.

See this needs to stop. There are a huge quantity of Afghans and Baloch who hate Pakistan. Instead of branding them as 'Hindus' or 'Indian agents', try to understand their point of view, or just ask.

You will say come to Quetta, Khuzdar, or Turbat, but I have been to all three of those cities and some villages in Baluchistan as well. I have baloch tribal friends that would literally beat the **** out of you. So, stop hiding behind this Punjbai hate speech. Let's meet up and see what happens.

Actually, there's a pretty good reason why a lot Pakistanis don't visit Balochistan anymore, you should know this. Do you live in Karachi or Lahore?

I know you will never make an appearance because you are a coward hindu hiding behind a fake ID. You tell me the date, and I will be there as soon as I can, and I will have my cousin film me beating the **** out of you. That's a promise. I can easily take a laari from Karachi.

So what are you going to do now? Post more pictures of Punjabi masalis to make yourself feel better? Take the challenge you Indian. I will take a brick to your teeth and make sure I spill your brain for the dogs to eat.

There are some good people here, who can give you concrete reasons why they have problems with Pakistan. I know [MENTION=17351]Friends of Baloch[/MENTION] has his particular way of putting it (lol), and I don't entirely agree with the method, but try and understand. You're in Pashtunforums, not a Pakistani forum.

Edit: Totally forgot to give my opinion on the topic.

I don't think there are any current leaders in Afghanistan who are 'Pashtunist'. If Pashtunist means, imposing Pashto as the official language, or giving preference to Pashtuns over other groups, I didn't see that in Hamid Karzai or Ashraf Ghani.

Daud Khan was sympathetic to Pashtun nationalists across the border, and even sent militias to FATA on some occasions... but even that was in vain.