were Afghan rulers pashtunist?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Please give an example Yemeni.

You don't understand Pashto; since like AFB, you're a Pashtun wannabe, so it'd be useless.

[Porus]

My Aboriginal neighbour down the road is now Anglo-Saxon. Thanks mate.

LOL. Anglo-saxon? The English themselves are mixed with French, Dutch, Germans, Swedes, Danes and other Germanic/European groups. Nobody uses 'Anglo-Saxon' anymore. It's like the word 'Aryan'.. irrelevant and non-existent.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Get over it, baiyan: Persian is the culture of art, civilization, poetry and culture. Pashto is the language of suicide bombers, drug dealers and terrorists. Dont even compare.

As if every Persian is some sophisticated intellectual and there aren't Pashtun poets.

lol

[Firdousi]

LOL. Anglo-saxon? The English themselves are mixed with French, Dutch, Germans, Swedes, Danes and other Germanic/European groups. Nobody uses 'Anglo-Saxon' anymore. It's like the word 'Aryan'.. irrelevant and non-existent.

These nationalists nuts fail to understand that every ethnic group in the world is mix of several others. We "Tajiks" are Bactrians, Soghdians, Parthians, Persians and Turkic people. Pashtuns are a mix of Aryans, Turks and Dravidian people.. and so on. What make us different is our cultures and language. Ethnicity is not that important.

[Firdousi]

As if every Persian is some sophisticated intellectual and there aren't Pashtun poets.

lol

Not every Persian is sophisticated and nor every single Pashtun is a dirty terrorist. Never said that. If I did, my apologize.

BUT! Persian culture beats Pashtun culture in almost every field: literature, poetry, architecture, science, medicine, empires, carpets, cuisine, cinema, music, sports.. and so on. This is something harsh to accept for many Pashtuns but its the bitter truth. You will never find an Ibn Sina, Al Razi, Biruni, Khwarezmi, Juzjani, Faryabi,.. in Pashtun history. You will never find famous Islamic scholars such as Tirmidhi, Bukhari, Tabari or Ghazali in Pashtun history. You will never find educated families such as Barmakids or Samanians in Pashtun history. A thousand year ago, Persian cities such as Bukhara, Samarkand, Panjkent, Balkh, Herat, Tus, Neyshabur,.. were the most developed, advanced and cultured place sin the world. Pashtuns back then were cavemen, roaming around Soleiman Mountains and assaulting traders and travelers (a millennium has passed since then and Pashtuns have not changed),.. Yeah you had some poets and warriors, but can they be compared to Mawlan, Khayyam, Saadi, Rudaki, Ferdowsi, Hafez or Jami? Can your warriors be compared to Abu Muslim Khorasani, Cyrus the great, Spitamenes, Surena, Darius or Shapur? Can your empires be compared with Sassanids, Parthians, Achaemenids, Samanians, Ghorids and many others? NO.

You are a smart guy. You should know the difference between both cultures and which one should dominate Afghanistan. Think about it, buddy.

[Firdousi]

As if every Persian is some sophisticated intellectual and there aren't Pashtun poets.

lol

Come on, dude. Be honest here. Which culture do you think has made greatest and more contributions to Humanity, Pashtun tribal culture or Persian urban culture? You don't even need to answer lol

[Azmal]

After praising Heratis now you're back to flat headed amu jumpers LMAO

I'm playing devils advocate with this sob, look how I made him admit all these Pashtuns rulers and elites were great patron of Dari language---thus can NOT be fascists. He is a Qazilbash who is Turk in race, Shia in religion but try to portray himself as Suni...he is an Irani dog---simply don't know why he is allowed in Pashtun forum.

[Firdousi]

I'm playing devils advocate with this sob, look how I made him admit all these Pashtuns rulers and elites were great patron of Dari language---thus can NOT be fascists. He is a Qazilbash who is Turk in race, Shia in religion but try to portray himself as Suni...he is an Irani dog---simply don't know why he is allowed in Pashtun forum.

Well, unlike you, I never insult nor curse other people. In few words you have insulted my mother, you have insulted all Shias (I am not one but there are plenty of Shia Pashtuns), you have insulted Turks, Iranians... and so on.

An amazing display of caveman manners. Please, think about it. You are talking to a civilized person.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Come on, dude. Be honest here. Which culture do you think has made greatest and more contributions to Humanity, Pashtun tribal culture or Persian urban culture? You don't even need to answer lol

That's tough to say; because you'd have to break it down further, were the Persian Intellectuals all urban? did they even flow with the mainstream Persian culture? Did Persians co-opt people of The Iranian Plateau who made contributions as being "Persians?"

This requires more than some butt-hurt poster on a Pashtun forum's analysis.

But your statement suggests that Persians are defined one way and Pashtuns another. It failed to examine the nuances of each society.

[Azmal]

Nowhere in the Avestan language is Pohand a reference to knowledge. In Pashto Pohand means Learned man or someone with knowledge. It comes from root word Poha, which MAY originate from the Avestan words "vispa" which means "Total" or "comprehensive" or "hvpah" which means skillful.

Here's the Avestan dictionary; no where is Pohan referenced.

Avestan Dictionary



Pederastic poetry was common through out central Asia, among Pashtuns, Farsiwan and Uzbeks. It's nothing exclusive to them.

Poha/pooya--knowledge or searching and it is even common with old Persian. check it out.

http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bi...t&display=utf8


While Amir Kror, Kushal Khatak and Hamza baba beloveds were girls/feminine their counterparts in the canon of Farsi poetry, Hafez, Saadi and even and Rumi, wrote of their infatuation with young boys.

[Firdousi]

That's tough to say; because you'd have to break it down further, were the Persian Intellectuals all urban? did they even flow with the mainstream Persian culture? Did Persians co-opt people of The Iranian Plateau who made contributions as being "Persians?"

This requires more than some butt-hurt poster on a Pashtun forum's analysis.

But your statement suggests that Persians are defined one way and Pashtuns another. It failed to examine the nuances of each society.

Stop it. You know very well what I meant. We are not talking here about ETHNICITY, BUT CULTURE!

You see? Even a smart Pashtun like yourself is unable to accept the truth and rather you prefer to hide behind fancy words.

Embarrassing.

[Azmal]

These nationalists nuts fail to understand that every ethnic group in the world is mix of several others. We "Tajiks" are Bactrians, Soghdians, Parthians, Persians and Turkic people. Pashtuns are a mix of Aryans, Turks and Dravidian people.. and so on. What make us different is our cultures and language. Ethnicity is not that important.

On Contrary Pashtuns have no Turks or Dravidian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns

The haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) is found at a frequency of 51.02% among the Pashtun people. Paragroup Q-M242 (xMEH2, xM378) (of Haplogroup Q-M242 (Y-DNA)) was found at 16.3% in Pashtuns.[77] Haplogroup Q-M242 is also found at a frequency of 18% in Pashtuns in the Afghan capital of Kabul.[78]
According to a 2012 study:

"MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers. In addition, gene flow to Afghanistan from India marked by Indian lineages, L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124, also seems to mostly involve Pashtuns and Tajiks. This genetic affinity and gene flow suggests interactions that could have existed since at least the establishment of the region's first civilizations at the Indus Valley and the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex."

The abstract states:"our results that all current Afghans largely share a heritage derived from a common unstructured ancestral population that could have emerged during the Neolithic revolution and the formation of the first farming communities. Our results also indicate that inter-Afghan differentiation started during the Bronze Age, probably driven by the formation of the first civilizations in the region."[79]
However, there is a clear genetic difference amongst Pashtuns and Persian speakers of Afghanistan in terms of inverse J2a/R1a frequencies





J-M172 is found at moderate frequencies among Central Asian people such as Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks, Kazakhs, and Yaghnobis. According to the genetic study in Northeast China by Shou et al. (2010), a notable high frequency of J-M172 is observed particularly in Uyghurs 34% and Uzbeks 30.4% in East Turkestan, China. J*-M304, which is the genetic marker to define Paragroup J-P209, is also found among Xibo, Kazakh, Dongxiang and Uzbek people in Northwest China. This study also displays how far lineage J2 reached eastward, and it is also noted that the estimated age of J2-M172 in this region seems more ancient than the history of Islam.

Above proves Changiz khan having his way with your great great grandma. --I call you flat headed for no reason! lol

[Azmal]

That's tough to say; because you'd have to break it down further, were the Persian Intellectuals all urban? did they even flow with the mainstream Persian culture? Did Persians co-opt people of The Iranian Plateau who made contributions as being "Persians?"

This requires more than some butt-hurt poster on a Pashtun forum's analysis.

But your statement suggests that Persians are defined one way and Pashtuns another. It failed to examine the nuances of each society.

He and his co-Tajikum.com tried very hard to group whole dari speaker into one label--Persian.

He just proves my point that Pashtuns rulers were not ethnocentric!

[Firdousi]

On Contrary Pashtuns have no Turks or Dravidian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns

The haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) is found at a frequency of 51.02% among the Pashtun people. Paragroup Q-M242 (xMEH2, xM378) (of Haplogroup Q-M242 (Y-DNA)) was found at 16.3% in Pashtuns.[77] Haplogroup Q-M242 is also found at a frequency of 18% in Pashtuns in the Afghan capital of Kabul.[78]
According to a 2012 study:

"MDS and Barrier analysis have identified a significant affinity between Pashtun, Tajik, North Indian, and West Indian populations, creating an Afghan-Indian population structure that excludes the Hazaras, Uzbeks, and the South Indian Dravidian speakers. In addition, gene flow to Afghanistan from India marked by Indian lineages, L-M20, H-M69, and R2a-M124, also seems to mostly involve Pashtuns and Tajiks. This genetic affinity and gene flow suggests interactions that could have existed since at least the establishment of the region's first civilizations at the Indus Valley and the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex."

The abstract states:"our results that all current Afghans largely share a heritage derived from a common unstructured ancestral population that could have emerged during the Neolithic revolution and the formation of the first farming communities. Our results also indicate that inter-Afghan differentiation started during the Bronze Age, probably driven by the formation of the first civilizations in the region."[79]
However, there is a clear genetic difference amongst Pashtuns and Persian speakers of Afghanistan in terms of inverse J2a/R1a frequencies





J-M172 is found at moderate frequencies among Central Asian people such as Uyghurs, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Tajiks, Kazakhs, and Yaghnobis. According to the genetic study in Northeast China by Shou et al. (2010), a notable high frequency of J-M172 is observed particularly in Uyghurs 34% and Uzbeks 30.4% in East Turkestan, China. J*-M304, which is the genetic marker to define Paragroup J-P209, is also found among Xibo, Kazakh, Dongxiang and Uzbek people in Northwest China. This study also displays how far lineage J2 reached eastward, and it is also noted that the estimated age of J2-M172 in this region seems more ancient than the history of Islam.

Above proves Changiz khan having his way with your great great grandma. --I call you flat headed for no reason! lol

Too long, did not read it lol

Brother make some research about Ghilzais, the largest Pashtun tribe, and their Turkic origin lol

Owned, once again.

[Azmal]

Too long, did not read it lol

Brother make some research about Ghilzais, the largest Pashtun tribe, and their Turkic origin lol

Owned, once again.

Typical flat headed, once you get up from your knees you will scream i owned you. lol Go educate yourself, you half son of Changiz khan. lol