Modi to visit Afghanistan on June 4

[ComradePashtun]

I think Chabahar's importance to Iran is being overrated by Indians. Iran already has Bandar Abbas which is on the North-South Transport Corridor. Iran is more invested in this route to connect itself to Russia, Caucasus and Central Asia than it is interested in developing Chabahar, even though Chabahar is claimed to be better located to handle bigger ships.

Iran also has problems with Kajaki dam and Salma dam in Afghanistan which they blame for drying up of Hamun lake and wetlands in West Balochistan which is a big conflict of interests between the two countries.

The failure of Iran's own project to launch the joint Persian language satellite tv with Tajikistan and Afghanistan several years ago also is good indication that many joint projects might look good on paper but dont meet expectations in reality.

Dont believe Chabahar hype until some results actually materialize. Indians are good talkers but deliver poor quality service while Iranians typically play hardball over contractual issues to squeeze more money and control for themselves or lose interest in such projects which they are not in full control over.

Chabahar agreement is good news for Afghanistan but it is too early to treat the arrangement as some kind of victory. There is about as much to be wary about its failure to materialize than there is to be pleased about its potential.

My brother,

Chahbahar's importance is in its location. It could serve as trade and transit hub for India as well as others with Afghanistan and the entire Central Asia. The entire CA and Afghanistan, India and those trading with this region for the time being could rely on it. Not to mention a close access point to Caucus and beyond. Currently for Afghanistan and CA Karachi is more economical than Bandar Abass because of the distance however Chahbahar could be even better.

India is serious about it and to operationalize the port it does not require billions but few hundreds of millions. There are people in the Afghan government who are quite up-beat about it. But you are right in your pragmatism I agree with you entirely, we would know a year from now if it was just a bluff.

[ComradePashtun]

Not to mention its geo-political significance.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I seriously hope so man. Even though the Taliban retake of Kunduz occurred, which was so unexpected.

1. The Taliban took Kunduz but knew full well they couldn't hold on to it.

- They didn't have the military/administrative resources/ability to do so.

- They did not have the required support.

If life was so bad in Kunduz under the jurisdiction of the Kabul government then people would have welcome the Taliban as liberators, kissed them, given them garlands and let them rule over them.

Instead that is not what happened, which is a clear sign that rule by the national government is not that "miserable" and nor are the Taliban that popular.


2. What have the Taliban done since Kunduz, last year?

Not much.

Apart from fragment in to small groups.

Get their leader killed.

See a key opportunist and troublemaker Hekmatyar to go over to the other side, the Kabul government and basically become buddies with them.

Hekmatyar is a well-known opportunist who goes where he sees benefit, so if even he doesn't think the Kabul government is weak and about to collapse, who does?

I'm interested in [MENTION=1498]ComradePashtun[/MENTION] 's take on this. Sorry for tagging you twice!

[Admin Khan]

Wasn't Iran allegedly supporting terrorists to prevent the Salma dam from constructing? Is that still a thing, since apparently Iran depends on Afghan water, and this was going to restrict it?

[Golden]

Man. Terrorism may have fallen, but incidents like the Safoora massacre, Bacha Khan University and the Lahore massacre have happened in the past 2 years alone. Decrease in terrorism isn't something to feel arrogant about, it's totally ideal and let's hope for it.




Get this out of your head. The whole world is asking you to get of the terrorists that are killing you from within, and here you're saying the world wants us to be Afghanistan. Grow up yaar



Afghan refugees are here because their country was destroyed by war, a war which Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United States are guilty of. Let me ask you this, where do the terrorists in the region come from?

1. Yes blow back attacks are expected but this year civilian deaths will be lowest since 2005. I'm not being arrogant just stating facts.

2. Ideally I don't even want Pakistan to bring Taliban on table for peace talks, as we have seen with TTP it's useless. They will not listen to anyone. Let Afghan people deal with them.

3. Afghanistan in state of civil war invited soviets, a deal which got rough to the point soviets started to massacre Afghan villages indiscriminately. Pakistan, USA and Saudis came afterwards.

[ComradePashtun]

1. The Taliban took Kunduz but knew full well they couldn't hold on to it.

- They didn't have the military/administrative resources/ability to do so.

- They did not have the required support.

If life was so bad in Kunduz under the jurisdiction of the Kabul government then people would have welcome the Taliban as liberators, kissed them, given them garlands and let them rule over them.

Instead that is not what happened, which is a clear sign that rule by the national government is not that "miserable" and nor are the Taliban that popular.


2. What have the Taliban done since Kunduz, last year?

Not much.

Apart from fragment in to small groups.

Get their leader killed.

See a key opportunist and troublemaker Hekmatyar to go over to the other side, the Kabul government and basically become buddies with them.

Hekmatyar is a well-known opportunist who goes where he sees benefit, so if even he doesn't think the Kabul government is weak and about to collapse, who does?

I'm interested in [MENTION=1498]ComradePashtun[/MENTION] 's take on this. Sorry for tagging you twice!

Couldn't agree more! The Taliban splinter group will follow him. I like Manan Niazi who is well-spoken and appears as an intelligent person among the army of fools. He is next to join.

[Golden]

Karachi is indeed 20% of the Pakistani economy, just checked.

60% is perhaps an older figure or an inaccurate one.

The point however is that if Karachi implodes/explodes the rest of the federation is affected, as Karachi is the biggest port.

However I haven't said Pakistan will collapse, I am simply arguing that as with 1971 it is more prone to loss of territory/disintegration than Afghanistan is.

I know Afghans and I know Pakistanis, personally. Afghans are simply more loyal to the concept of Afghanistan, whereas Pakistanis are a heavily divided society. Even the way some of the Punjabi chauvinists here belittle [MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION] for being a "Bhaiya" (a derogatory term for an Indian origin Pakistani) is just a very miniscule example of that.

If anything I have disagreed with others here and said that Pakistan is not going to be dumped by America or in any serious crisis.

The Pakistan army has won in FATA by levelling Waziristan to rubble.

Most Pashtuns in Pakistan are Pakistani nationalists, at least 65-70% if not more.

So Pakistan is in a far stronger position than it was a few years back. However it has failed in Afghanistan and Russia, China, Iran, India, Turkey, the central Asian states will not allow Pakistans sons the Taliban to rule Afghanistan.

So Pakistan has lost in Afghanistan.

Karachi is Indian (not from karachi city obviously) who insult us in 90% of his posts. No **** Karachi is important for Pakistan but situation there have improved many folds just like in rest of Pakistan.

You just don't know anything buddy, Karachi never was 60% of Pak GDP. Let USA pull out of Afghanistan and see how it goes, we already have Afghani members talking about partition in case Taliban rule east and south Afghanistan. Even after elections Abdullah Abdullah was ready for bloodbath before Americans threatened to not give any aid which make 90% of Afghan budget.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Couldn't agree more! The Taliban splinter group will follow him. I like Manan Niazi who is well-spoken and appears as an intelligent person among the army of fools. He is next to join.

Thanks, unless I'm wrong, you're based in Kabul so I wanted you're opinion.

To everyone else I'm no expert on Afghanistan, far from it, I simply have common sense and some understanding of politics. Anyway for example I have never heard of Manan Niazi in my life...lol.

Anyway the Kabul government is here to stay, the Taliban (Pakistan) have essentially been defeated.

[Porus]

2. Ideally I don't even want Pakistan to bring Taliban on table for peace talks, as we have seen with TTP it's useless. They will not listen to anyone. Let Afghan people deal with them.

ISI created them

Why do Afghans have to deal with them? The sanctuaries are in Pakistan. Our military should deal with them

[Bengal_Tiger]

Karachi is Indian (not from karachi city obviously) who insult us in 90% of his posts. No **** Karachi is important for Pakistan but situation there have improved many folds just like in rest of Pakistan.

You just don't know anything buddy, Karachi never was 60% of Pak GDP. Let USA pull out of Afghanistan and see how it goes, we already have Afghani members talking about partition in case Taliban rule east and south Afghanistan. Even after elections Abdullah Abdullah was ready for bloodbath before Americans threatened to not give any aid which make 90% of Afghan budget.

Golden a.k.a. Tilla_Jogian a.k.a Save_ghenda

1. Karachi is a Pakistani whose parents migrated to Pakistan from New Delhi due to "Muslim nationalism" as he would put it. His wife is Pakistani Punjabi and when he first joined this forum he was very pro-Pakistan and used to defend it.

Being against the army and ISI does not make you "Indian".

They are two organizations funded by tax payers whose function should be to serve the people not bomb them or lord over them.

However for a defence.pk Pakistan-wala like you disliking the army = "treachery".


2. Karachi is an honest guy whereas you are a very dishonest Punjabi who is ashamed of his origins. The sort of dishonest, ashamed Punjabi [MENTION=17351]Friends of Baloch[/MENTION] always talks about. As Tilla_Jogian you claimed to be from Rawalpindi, but as Golden you claim to be from Bhawalpur.

For those who don't know Rawalpindi is in the north (like saying Detroit) and Bhawalpur is in the south (like saying Tennessee).

People in the Rawalpindi area are Potohari, whereas in Bhawalpur they are Saraikis. Quite different people.

I am going to place you on ignore, as you are irritating, dishonest and incapable of proper discussion.

*Bye*

[Golden]

Golden a.k.a. Tilla_Jogian a.k.a Save_ghenda

1. Karachi is a Pakistani whose parents migrated to Pakistan from New Delhi due to "Muslim nationalism" as he would put it. His wife is Pakistani Punjabi and when he first joined this forum he was very pro-Pakistan and used to defend it.

My wife is Afghan and I don't hate them, wait just kidding and making up **** on internet lol. Stop fooling around, I never claimed to be from Rawalpindi but I'm native of Bahawalpur. That pretender karachi can die off right now and will not be missed.

[Golden]

ISI created them

Why do Afghans have to deal with them? The sanctuaries are in Pakistan. Our military should deal with them

I like the idea of kicking them out more then outright executing them. Islamabad should listen to Sarfraz Bugti.

[Porus]

I like the idea of kicking them out more then outright executing them. Islamabad should listen to Sarfraz Bugti.

Do you accept though, that these groups are a creation of the ISI?

If so, doesn't the ISI hold a responsibility in their elimination? After all, this is for the good of Pakistan more than Afghanistan.

[Golden]

Do you accept though, that these groups are a creation of the ISI?

If so, doesn't the ISI hold a responsibility in their elimination? After all, this is for the good of Pakistan more than Afghanistan.

How executing foreigners in our land is good for Pakistan? Let Afghan deal with the mess they created and exported to Pakistan as well.

ISI isn't anymore guilty then NDS. Few days ago 8 terrorist spies of NDS were arrested in Pakistan and admitted killing of Pakistanis on order of Afghan agency.

Is ISI guilty? Yes but so is NDS and their masters in Delhi.

[asif86]

Do you accept though, that these groups are a creation of the ISI?

If so, doesn't the ISI hold a responsibility in their elimination? After all, this is for the good of Pakistan more than Afghanistan.

Are they not trying to eliminate them, after all whats this operation zarb e azab about and whats national action plan all about.