The Hit on the Taliban Leader Sent a Signal to Pakistan

[Khostai]

What is Afghanistan excuse? It's growing at 1% with GDP of just $15 billion. While Pakistan GDP is already $450 billion.

40 years of massive war and instability and we have a population of 30 million and meanwhile pakistan has a population of 160 million. if pakis were trully succesfull their economy should have been the double of what it has now. And Afghanistan is now in transition, it gets lesser and lesser money from the west and needs to transform its economy from donor nation to a selfsutaining one with bad infra and almost no energie. So please do not compare yourself to us, you can compare pakistan to Afghanistan only if you also had war and invasions like we did.

[Aryana]

What is Afghanistan excuse? It's growing at 1% with GDP of just $15 billion. While Pakistan GDP is already $450 billion.

You're comparing a nation that hasn't gone through any invasions from any world superpower to a war torn country. Afghanistan has gone through 40 years of war and invasions from two world superpowers and has a gdp per capita of around $800. Porkistan on the other hand has gone through no trouble and yet has a gdp per capita of around $800 as well.

[Golden]

You're comparing a nation that hasn't gone through any invasions from any world superpower to a war torn country. Afghanistan has gone through 40 years of war and invasions from two world superpowers and has a gdp per capita of around $800. Porkistan on the other hand has gone through no trouble and yet has a gdp per capita of around $800 as well.

Bhaiya jee app ki aqal kam nai karti, prashad khao mandir ka.

[Golden]

40 years of massive war and instability and we have a population of 30 million and meanwhile pakistan has a population of 160 million. if pakis were trully succesfull their economy should have been the double of what it has now. And Afghanistan is now in transition, it gets lesser and lesser money from the west and needs to transform its economy from donor nation to a selfsutaining one with bad infra and almost no energie. So please do not compare yourself to us, you can compare pakistan to Afghanistan only if you also had war and invasions like we did.

I never said Pakistan is successful. I was just shocked at 1% or even lower GDP growth rate of Afghanistan with tiny economy of $15 billion.

Pakistan has been at war since 1947 to this day!

[Khostai]

I never said Pakistan is successful. I was just shocked at 1% or even lower GDP growth rate of Afghanistan with tiny economy of $15 billion.

Pakistan has been at war since 1947 to this day!

In some years we had growth of 12 or even 17% and now its 2% due to mass immigration and instability and Afghan GDP is 60 billion. I do not know where you got 15 from....But any way like I said Afghanistan gets lesser and lesser international aid and Afghanistan has no idustrial complex what so ever. Ghani is bussy with economical projects to start as soon as possible. That why he pushed for Chabahar, the TAPI-line and the electricity transmission projects and the agriculture stimulus..hopefuly that will pay off

If you did not claim Pakistan to be a succes why did you compare it? That the GDP of Pakistan is bigger is alos due to its population. At war with whom? India? oh please give me a break.

[Khostai]

You're comparing a nation that hasn't gone through any invasions from any world superpower to a war torn country. Afghanistan has gone through 40 years of war and invasions from two world superpowers and has a gdp per capita of around $800. Porkistan on the other hand has gone through no trouble and yet has a gdp per capita of around $800 as well.

And not to forget that Pakistan was the developed part of India before the partition, thats why it has lesser slums and beggers on the streets and has also lesser water problems unlike India. But still they managed to **** up their advantage over India and India has bigger economic growth and has a bigger GDP.

[Samandri]

Every drone attack in Pakistan, including this one, is carried out with consent and cooperation of Pakistani military..........Mullah Akhtar was not cooperating in peace talks, so he was disposed by ISI. Perhaps Afghan Taliban are trying to create contacts with Iran because they have realized that they are too much reliant on Pakistan....and that ISI guys are just using them, and disposing them. He was traveling to Iran , God knows why?.....but it seems it made ISI unhappy so they gave away Mullah Akhtar to CIA

[Insight]

Every drone attack in Pakistan, including this one, is carried out with consent and cooperation of Pakistani military..........Mullah Akhtar was not cooperating in peace talks, so he was disposed by ISI. Perhaps Afghan Taliban are trying to create contacts with Iran because they have realized that they are too much reliant on Pakistan....and that ISI guys are just using them, and disposing them. He was traveling to Iran , God knows why?.....but it seems it made ISI unhappy so they gave away Mullah Akhtar to CIA

All drone strikes are done with direct Pakistani military support. Pakistan clears the airspace for those strikes.

Secondly, with a reduced US presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US intel abilities are limited, and they are unlikely to have much intelligence if any capability in Iran.

"They said he had crossed into Pakistan from Iran, where he had been holding meetings with Iranian officials and Taliban leaders located there."

"According to Taliban officials, the movement has set up offices in Iran, which Mansour used to visit."

Why the U.S. Killed Mullah Akhtar Mansour in Pakistan—and Why It Matters

The fact that Taliban officials are in Iran points to a direction of moving out of Pakistani influence. If the death is confirmed, then that is the reason Pakistan permitted this drone strike in Balochistan.

[Aryana]

Bhaiya jee app ki aqal kam nai karti, prashad khao mandir ka.

Someone translate this, I don't understand terrorist/zoophilia language.

[Firdousi]

All drone strikes are done with direct Pakistani military support. Pakistan clears the airspace for those strikes.

Secondly, with a reduced US presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US intel abilities are limited, and they are unlikely to have much intelligence if any capability in Iran.

"They said he had crossed into Pakistan from Iran, where he had been holding meetings with Iranian officials and Taliban leaders located there."

"According to Taliban officials, the movement has set up offices in Iran, which Mansour used to visit."

Why the U.S. Killed Mullah Akhtar Mansour in Pakistan—and Why It Matters

The fact that Taliban officials are in Iran points to a direction of moving out of Pakistani influence. If the death is confirmed, then that is the reason Pakistan permitted this drone strike in Balochistan.

So, brother, its kinda embarrassing. I mean you are always bragging about your nukes but here you are with USA violating your sovereignty over and over again. Last time a drone crossed into Iranian airspace it was brought down. They even hacked all its system. Why you Paksiitan can't do the same?

[khushal]

Every drone attack in Pakistan, including this one, is carried out with consent and cooperation of Pakistani military..........Mullah Akhtar was not cooperating in peace talks, so he was disposed by ISI. Perhaps Afghan Taliban are trying to create contacts with Iran because they have realized that they are too much reliant on Pakistan....and that ISI guys are just using them, and disposing them. He was traveling to Iran , God knows why?.....but it seems it made ISI unhappy so they gave away Mullah Akhtar to CIA

Not necessarily. It is certain that Iran knew of his whereabouts since he was leaving their territory. It is not known if Pakistan had knowledge of him entering since it is impossible to track every individual coming into Pakistan. It is more likely that Iran gave the drone of his location since he is a threat to Iranian interests. Remember this guy was Pakistan's man in the Taliban. Their influence was through him. Discarding him is like discarding their influence in the movement.

[khushal]

All drone strikes are done with direct Pakistani military support. Pakistan clears the airspace for those strikes.

Secondly, with a reduced US presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US intel abilities are limited, and they are unlikely to have much intelligence if any capability in Iran.

"They said he had crossed into Pakistan from Iran, where he had been holding meetings with Iranian officials and Taliban leaders located there."

"According to Taliban officials, the movement has set up offices in Iran, which Mansour used to visit."

Why the U.S. Killed Mullah Akhtar Mansour in Pakistan—and Why It Matters

The fact that Taliban officials are in Iran points to a direction of moving out of Pakistani influence. If the death is confirmed, then that is the reason Pakistan permitted this drone strike in Balochistan.

Iran had shared intel on the Taliban after 911 and intel on Saddam before the 2003 invasion. The US deposed the two biggest threats to Iran in less than 2 years.

[Insight]

Iran had shared intel on the Taliban after 911 and intel on Saddam before the 2003 invasion. The US deposed the two biggest threats to Iran in less than 2 years.

Post-9/11, Iran giving intelligence on Taliban positions is a trivial contribution and even questionable. Pro-Iranian US diplomats like Ryan Crocker and James Dobbins exaggerate Iran's supposed shared interests because a current US strategic objective is to ally with Iran. Crocker and Dobbins explain that Iran's support was via the Northern Alliance- that doesn't translate into support for the US war since Iran was supporting the Northern Alliance before the US war.

When faced with the fact that Iran has been supporting the Taliban since about 2005, these same diplomats ignore those facts for the lofty goal of befriending Iran. It is a one way street where the Iranian regime (led by Khamenei) do not reciprocate any US outreach. I suggest you read Crockers and Dobbins accounts- it's actually quite naive and endemic of the current US obsession with allying with Iran, a project that has not bared fruit.

US (Obama's White House policy) definitely has been going out of it's way to accommodate Iran even at the expense of Israel and the Sunni Gulf states. The whole Syria policy of passivity towards Assad rests on the hope that Iran will ally with the US.

[Insight]

So, brother, its kinda embarrassing. I mean you are always bragging about your nukes but here you are with USA violating your sovereignty over and over again. Last time a drone crossed into Iranian airspace it was brought down. They even hacked all its system. Why you Paksiitan can't do the same?

Im a US national. Im drawing thoughts based on objective facts.

I think you overestimate Iran's interests with Persian-speaking ethnic groups in Afghanistan (otherwise why are they supporting and giving shelter to the Taliban insurgency which is fighting the Kabul regime? (dominated by Persian speakers according to you).

Pakistan has F-16s and could intercept most aircraft that enters their airspace. I don't really understand what you are trying to say since Wikileaks confirmed that Pakistan military gives direct permission for US drone strikes (drones which fly lower than jets)

[khushal]

Post-9/11, Iran giving intelligence on Taliban positions is a trivial contribution and even questionable. Pro-Iranian US diplomats like Ryan Crocker and James Dobbins exaggerate Iran's supposed shared interests because a current US strategic objective is to ally with Iran. Crocker and Dobbins explain that Iran's support was via the Northern Alliance- that doesn't translate into support for the US war since Iran was supporting the Northern Alliance before the US war.

When faced with the fact that Iran has been supporting the Taliban since about 2005, these same diplomats ignore those facts for the lofty goal of befriending Iran. It is a one way street where the Iranian regime (led by Khamenei) do not reciprocate any US outreach. I suggest you read Crockers and Dobbins accounts- it's actually quite naive and endemic of the current US obsession with allying with Iran, a project that has not bared fruit.
US (Obama's White House policy) definitely has been going out of it's way to accommodate Iran even at the expense of Israel and the Sunni Gulf states. The whole Syria policy of passivity towards Assad rests on the hope that Iran will ally with the US.

It was Iran that was kissing the USA arse and Bush back stabbed them by labeling them the axis of evil.
Here is a frontline documentary:
Iran helped USA to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - YouTube

Pashtuns and Shias are historical rivals. They don't trust each other and have no parallel interests with each other.