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    The Hit on the Taliban Leader Sent a Signal to Pakistan - The Daily Beast
    The Hit on the Taliban Leader Sent a Signal to Pakistan

    Mullah Mansour was Pakistan’s man picked to lead the Afghan Taliban, and he was killed on Pakistani soil. Is this the beginning of a new U.S. strategy?

    The death of Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mansour in an American drone strike is a significant but not fatal blow to both the Taliban and their Pakistani Army patrons.

    The critical question Afghans and Pakistanis are asking is whether this is a one-off or the beginning of a more aggressive American approach to fighting the war in Afghanistan.

    Mullah Mansour became the Taliban's leader last year after it was revealed his predecessor, Mullah Omar, the founder of the Taliban, had been dead for two years from unknown causes.

    Mullah Omar's death in a Pakistani hospital in Karachi had been covered up for two years by the Pakistani Army's intelligence service, the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate or ISI, and the cover-up allowed the ISI to manipulate the Taliban very effectively behind the scene. Mullah Mansour was the ISI's handpicked successor.

    There was resistance to his selection by some Taliban commanders, but the ISI forced them to acquiesce.

    Since the fall of Kabul to American and allied forces after 9/11, the Taliban leadership has made its headquarters in Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province in Pakistan.

    For 15 years the Quetta Shura, as the assembly of leaders is known, has been protected by the ISI in its Pakistani safe haven where it is free to plan operations, conduct training, raise money and prepare terrorist attacks to strike American, NATO and Afghan targets in Kabul and elsewhere. While drones pummeled Al Qaeda targets elsewhere in Pakistan, the Taliban leaders were immune.

    So this operation is unprecedented, the first ever effort to decapitate the Afghan Taliban. Mullah Mansour apparently was killed in Baluchistan very close to the Afghan border. He pressed his luck too far it appears. It's too soon to know the details of how he was found, but he was likely visiting front-line commanders.

    The ISI will find a successor. They will work with the powerful Haqqani network, inside the Taliban, which has its own sanctuary in Peshawar Pakistan. The challenge will be to hold together the fractious movement, especially as the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) is trying to rally dissidents to its cause and create an Islamic State Vilayet, or province, in Afghanistan. The ISI and the Haqqanis are prepared to be ruthless to keep control of the Taliban.

    The elected Pakistani government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has been trying to persuade Mullah Mansour and the Quetta Shura to join in peace talks with the Afghan government, which is led by President Ashraf Ghani. The US and China have encouraged the political process. But Sharif has no power over the Pakistani military and its ISI minions.

    Indeed, now that Prime Minister Sharif is engulfed in a scandal caused by the Panama papers, his goal is simply to survive in office, and some Pakistani political commentators expect the army to oust Nawaz Sharif in a soft coup this summer. The Afghan peace talks are not likely to get going as long as the army calls the shots in Pakistan.

    The killing of Mansour in an unprecedented operation has produced elation in the Afghan security forces, who hope it does it actually does mark the start of more aggressive attacks against the safe havens in Pakistan. But that's probably a misplaced hope. A discreet operation in the border region is not the equivalent of hitting targets deeper inside Pakistani territory.

    Inevitably, the attack will be another blow to U.S.-Pakistan relations, even if both Washington and Islamabad try to paper it over. The U.S. Congress, after years of passively accepting Pakistani duplicity, has become much less willing to fund arms deals and aid to the Pakistani army. A recent administration proposal to sell F16 jets to the Pakistani military at sweetheart prices has been killed, wisely, on The Hill.

    The next U.S. president will confront a complex and worrisome challenge in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is not quite as bad as the disaster President Barack Obama inherited eight years ago, but it is one of the toughest foreign policy issues the next team will face. What do the candidates think they can do about it? It's not too early to start pressing them for answers.
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    Game is over for Pakistan. Sh*t is about to get serious here. Now that USA has dealt with Iran nuclear ambitions, Pakistan comes next. India is a close ally of USA and a key asset in order to contain China. Iran is not anymore an enemy and Afghanistan is an ally. On the other hand, USA does not depend on Pakistan anymore. They don't need them so they can now deal with them.

    Pakistan should expect sanctions in next months/years and also a growing isolation. Iran, Afghanistan and India are paving the road for a deeper and stronger cooperation. Pakistan dependence on China will grow just like North Korea. Pakistan will become a pariah state very soon. Its a matter of time.
    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

    -Ferdowsi.

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    • #3
      Pakistan is not responding because it is afraid of America retaliation but because at this movement of recovery in Pakistan it doesn't want to have bad relations with them.

      Time to only concentrate on economy and security situation inside Pakistan because we need a sustained growth rate of at least 6-7% plus for a decade.We lost almost a decade because of bad governance.

      Int he 80's and 90's while everyone neighbor of Afghanistan was growing,they suffered economic slowdown and you see Afghanistan is way too poor even compared to its neighbor despite that the region is one of the poorest region on earth.

      South asia is the fastest growing region in the world but Pakistan growth rate is half of the other economies.In 1977 Pakistan Per capita was twice of India's Per capita and it took them 4 decades to surpass Pakistan in 2008.Now Indian Per capita income is already 30% more than Pakistan.

      In 2009 South asian economies growth rate

      Pakistan 1.9%
      Bangladesh 6%
      India 6.7%

      In 2016
      Pakistan 4.7%
      Bangladesh 7%
      India 7.5%

      Now we have come a long way since than but still not enough.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Game is over for Pakistan. Sh*t is about to get serious here. Now that USA has dealt with Iran nuclear ambitions, Pakistan comes next. India is a close ally of USA and a key asset in order to contain China. Iran is not anymore an enemy and Afghanistan is an ally. On the other hand, USA does not depend on Pakistan anymore. They don't need them so they can now deal with them.

        Pakistan should expect sanctions in next months/years and also a growing isolation. Iran, Afghanistan and India are paving the road for a deeper and stronger cooperation. Pakistan dependence on China will grow just like North Korea. Pakistan will become a pariah state very soon. Its a matter of time.
        Pakistan chances ,of collapse were high in 2008-13 Period as this was the worst period in Pakistan history,Be it the economy or security situation.

        Today Pakistan has a positive growth rate with industrial sector growth only second to Bangladesh in South asia(6.8%) with Billions of investment in line(CPEC) having decreased the terrorist related activities by almost 200% since 2013.
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        • #5
          The supposed American operation to take Osama bin Laden out was far more of a major event than this, and not much has happened to the American-backed military-run state of Pakistan since then, apart from millions of Pashtuns being made refugees and whole villages bombed.

          I could be wrong but I wouldn't make too much of a big deal out of all this killing of this Taliban leader.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
            Pakistan chances ,of collapse were high in 2008-13 Period as this was the worst period in Pakistan history,Be it the economy or security situation.

            Today Pakistan has a positive growth rate with industrial sector growth only second to Bangladesh in South asia(6.8%) with Billions of investment in line(CPEC) having decreased the terrorist related activities by almost 200% since 2013.
            No offense, brother, but I find so hilarious how you Pakistanis are bragging about CPEC as it was some sort of charity project. Well CPEC is a loan. China is not giving you all the money for free. You will have to give it back at different rates (1,6%, 2% and 2,4% according official data). Its pretty well known that most of these Chinese projects are carried out by Chinese corporations themselves. So basically your country is going to spend a lot of money in paving roads, develop a port and build pipelines for China.. after all Gwadar will be used for China, by China and from China. No one else will use it.

            China is exploiting your political weakness and vulnerabilities, brother. They know you depend too much on them (you have no friends. All your neighbors hate you, your ally USA is already changing its policy toward you and other countries won't comprise just because they don't want to upset India, after all this country will become a superpower in matter of few decades). Pakistani role will be reduced to selling tea and biscuits to Chines truck drives along an expensive road paved and payed by you guys for China.

            When it comes to security, you have done a good job. Pakistan is much better now than two years ago. But honestly dude, don't you think your country is being isolated by the rest of the world? Dont you think your good and bad terrorist policy is giving a bad image of you? Dont you think if you don't change your foreign policy you will become a pariah state not much different than NK and highly dependent on China? Dude, your paranoid and corrupt leaders are taking you nowhere. They are even worse than theAfhgan establishment. Time to smell the coffee and wake up.
            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

            -Ferdowsi.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
              No offense, brother, but I find so hilarious how you Pakistanis are bragging about CPEC as it was some sort of charity project. Well CPEC is a loan. China is not giving you all the money for free. You will have to give it back at different rates (1,6%, 2% and 2,4% according official data). Its pretty well known that most of these Chinese projects are carried out by Chinese corporations themselves. So basically your country is going to spend a lot of money in paving roads, develop a port and build pipelines for China.. after all Gwadar will be used for China, by China and from China. No one else will use it.

              China is exploiting your political weakness and vulnerabilities, brother. They know you depend too much on them (you have no friends. All your neighbors hate you, your ally USA is already changing its policy toward you and other countries won't comprise just because they don't want to upset India, after all this country will become a superpower in matter of few decades). Pakistani role will be reduced to selling tea and biscuits to Chines truck drives along an expensive road paved and payed by you guys for China.

              When it comes to security, you have done a good job. Pakistan is much better now than two years ago. But honestly dude, don't you think your country is being isolated by the rest of the world? Dont you think your good and bad terrorist policy is giving a bad image of you? Dont you think if you don't change your foreign policy you will become a pariah state not much different than NK and highly dependent on China? Dude, your paranoid and corrupt leaders are taking you nowhere. They are even worse than theAfhgan establishment. Time to smell the coffee and wake up.
              Correct. This is exactly why Baloch nationalists resist all Chinese projects in their lands. Baloch freedom fighters have been warning about Chinese exploitation and control over their natural resources and economy for several years now but these sh!t stain pakis think China is going to build these pakis a massive commerical and military port which the pakis will then take charge of and will make "all the Central Asians come running to Pakiland for trade and security"

              These punjabs are so stupid and disgusting. They think of themselves as leaders when all they do is serve others and want to be like the foreigners they feel culturally and racially inferior to.

              China and the USA are their masters but these pakis pretend that they are their equals, lool
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                No offense, brother, but I find so hilarious how you Pakistanis are bragging about CPEC as it was some sort of charity project. Well CPEC is a loan. China is not giving you all the money for free. You will have to give it back at different rates (1,6%, 2% and 2,4% according official data). Its pretty well known that most of these Chinese projects are carried out by Chinese corporations themselves. So basically your country is going to spend a lot of money in paving roads, develop a port and build pipelines for China.. after all Gwadar will be used for China, by China and from China. No one else will use it.

                China is exploiting your political weakness and vulnerabilities, brother. They know you depend too much on them (you have no friends. All your neighbors hate you, your ally USA is already changing its policy toward you and other countries won't comprise just because they don't want to upset India, after all this country will become a superpower in matter of few decades). Pakistani role will be reduced to selling tea and biscuits to Chines truck drives along an expensive road paved and payed by you guys for China.

                When it comes to security, you have done a good job. Pakistan is much better now than two years ago. But honestly dude, don't you think your country is being isolated by the rest of the world? Dont you think your good and bad terrorist policy is giving a bad image of you? Dont you think if you don't change your foreign policy you will become a pariah state not much different than NK and highly dependent on China? Dude, your paranoid and corrupt leaders are taking you nowhere. They are even worse than theAfhgan establishment. Time to smell the coffee and wake up.
                While I am no fan of the Pakistani state and military for obvious reasons, I would beg to differ with your assessment.

                1. The CPEC is of huge importance to China as instead of using the long and tortuous Malacca straits route which could be blocked navally, the Chinese want to use a quicker route to transport their goods from the mainland to countries in the gulf and the west.




                2. The goods would be transported by rail from Gwadar all the way to China and would save a huge amount of time in comparison to the Malacca straits. China also plans to use rail networks for trade links with other parts of Eurasia.


                Having said that however, I am not sure whether this CPEC will be a success as the Americans can always block/sabotage it by using Baloch rebels.

                I suspect we will see Pakistan around for longer but still unstable i.e. the current status quo will continue, Pakistan existing and surviving but as now dysfunctional.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                  No offense, brother, but I find so hilarious how you Pakistanis are bragging about CPEC as it was some sort of charity project. Well CPEC is a loan. China is not giving you all the money for free. You will have to give it back at different rates (1,6%, 2% and 2,4% according official data). Its pretty well known that most of these Chinese projects are carried out by Chinese corporations themselves. So basically your country is going to spend a lot of money in paving roads, develop a port and build pipelines for China.. after all Gwadar will be used for China, by China and from China. No one else will use it.

                  China is exploiting your political weakness and vulnerabilities, brother. They know you depend too much on them (you have no friends. All your neighbors hate you, your ally USA is already changing its policy toward you and other countries won't comprise just because they don't want to upset India, after all this country will become a superpower in matter of few decades). Pakistani role will be reduced to selling tea and biscuits to Chines truck drives along an expensive road paved and payed by you guys for China.

                  When it comes to security, you have done a good job. Pakistan is much better now than two years ago. But honestly dude, don't you think your country is being isolated by the rest of the world? Dont you think your good and bad terrorist policy is giving a bad image of you? Dont you think if you don't change your foreign policy you will become a pariah state not much different than NK and highly dependent on China? Dude, your paranoid and corrupt leaders are taking you nowhere. They are even worse than theAfhgan establishment. Time to smell the coffee and wake up.
                  CPEC is being funded by both Pakistan and China(Please don't tell me that Pakistan doesn't has money).So far except for the road network in GB,the rest under construction are from Pakistan own development Budget.

                  Power Projects worth 10k MW are completely by investment or you consider it loan are from china but we need energy,lot of energy.

                  With the present state of Electricity,Our industrial sector growth rate is 6.8% and with energy,It might even go double digit.


                  F everything,Just concentrate on economy because economy is the only part we are left way too behind,we have lost a decade to mere 2% growth rate against the potential of 8% plus per year.

                  In 2005 China daily reported

                  China has a new growth challenger, Pakistan
                  (Bloomberg)
                  Updated: 2005-06-07 09:17

                  The world's second-fastest growing economy after China is no longer India. It's Pakistan.

                  According to figures released over the weekend by Pakistan's Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, the $110 billion economy is estimated to have grown 8.4 percent in the current fiscal year that ends June 30. That compares with 9.5 percent expansion in China's gross domestic product last year, while India recorded 6.9 percent GDP growth in the 12 months ended March 31.

                  Now that Pakistan is within striking distance of China's growth, it aims to catch up. The growth target for the next fiscal year, as set out in the nation's annual budget yesterday, is as much as 8 percent, the same as Beijing's goal for the year.
                  Chinadaily.com.cn is the largest English portal in China, providing news, business information, BBS, learning materials. The Website has channels as China, BizChina, World, Opinion, Sports/Olympics, Entertainment, Lifestyle, Culture, Citylife, Photo, Forum and Weather.


                  With economy in hand and 200 Million Population,Pakistan will be one of the most influential country in the world forgot about a pariah isolated state.

                  Even under worst case scenerio and estimates by various western agencies.It is inevitable that Pakistan will be one of the biggest GDP in 3-4 decades from now.

                  AGAIN CONCENTRATE ONLY ON ECONOMY AND SECURITY.FFFF NEIGHBORS AND FFFF THE GEOPOLITICAL SITUATION.JUST CONCENTRATE ON ECONOMY
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                    While I am no fan of the Pakistani state and military for obvious reasons, I would beg to differ with your assessment.

                    1. The CPEC is of huge importance to China as instead of using the long and tortuous Malacca straits route which could be blocked navally, the Chinese want to use a quicker route to transport their goods from the mainland to countries in the gulf and the west.




                    2. The goods would be transported by rail from Gwadar all the way to China and would save a huge amount of time in comparison to the Malacca straits. China also plans to use rail networks for trade links with other parts of Eurasia.


                    Having said that however, I am not sure whether this CPEC will be a success as the Americans can always block/sabotage it by using Baloch rebels.

                    I suspect we will see Pakistan around for longer but still unstable i.e. the current status quo will continue, Pakistan existing and surviving but as now dysfunctional.
                    Indeed. CPEC is important for China not for Pakistan. China will have direct access to the Gulf region through Pakistan and all the expenses of the project will be on Paksitani shoulders. Its a win win situation for them.

                    But this project does not benefit Pakistan at all. They will have to pay back all the money with interests added. What has Pakistan to offer to China? Nothing. The only positive thing about this is that Paksitan will have access to energy and that will relief their energy problem.
                    "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                    I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                    -Ferdowsi.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      CPEC is being funded by both Pakistan and China(Please don't tell me that Pakistan doesn't has money).So far except for the road network in GB,the rest under construction are from Pakistan own development Budget.

                      Power Projects worth 10k MW are completely by investment or you consider it loan are from china but we need energy,lot of energy.

                      With the present state of Electricity,Our industrial sector growth rate is 6.8% and with energy,It might even go double digit.


                      F everything,Just concentrate on economy because economy is the only part we are left way too behind,we have lost a decade to mere 2% growth rate against the potential of 8% plus per year.

                      In 2005 China daily reported



                      Chinadaily.com.cn is the largest English portal in China, providing news, business information, BBS, learning materials. The Website has channels as China, BizChina, World, Opinion, Sports/Olympics, Entertainment, Lifestyle, Culture, Citylife, Photo, Forum and Weather.


                      With economy in hand and 200 Million Population,Pakistan will be one of the most influential country in the world forgot about a pariah isolated state.

                      Even under worst case scenerio and estimates by various western agencies.It is inevitable that Pakistan will be one of the biggest GDP in 3-4 decades from now.

                      AGAIN CONCENTRATE ONLY ON ECONOMY AND SECURITY.FFFF NEIGHBORS AND FFFF THE GEOPOLITICAL SITUATION.JUST CONCENTRATE ON ECONOMY
                      And all this thank to an econmic corridor? Come on, dude, thats pure wishful thinking.

                      I know Pakistan is considered as emergent economy (do some research about the Next Eleven) but all these predictions were made many years ago. Now everything changed. By saying "ffff neighbors" you are showing all the problems of the Pakistani establishment: you can not survive surrounded by enemies. You need to cooperate with us. This will be good for us and for you.
                      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                      -Ferdowsi.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post
                        Correct. This is exactly why Baloch nationalists resist all Chinese projects in their lands. Baloch freedom fighters have been warning about Chinese exploitation and control over their natural resources and economy for several years now but these sh!t stain pakis think China is going to build these pakis a massive commerical and military port which the pakis will then take charge of and will make "all the Central Asians come running to Pakiland for trade and security"

                        These punjabs are so stupid and disgusting. They think of themselves as leaders when all they do is serve others and want to be like the foreigners they feel culturally and racially inferior to.

                        China and the USA are their masters but these pakis pretend that they are their equals, lool
                        There is no need to use such an abusive and derogatory vocabulary. Try to keep it civil, buddy.

                        BTW Baluchistan independency is right now a wet dream. Baluch insurgency is weaker and I believe CPEC project will bring some development to your region so with economical progress comes stability.
                        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                        -Ferdowsi.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                          And all this thank to an econmic corridor? Come on, dude, thats pure wishful thinking.

                          I know Pakistan is considered as emergent economy (do some research about the Next Eleven) but all these predictions were made many years ago. Now everything changed. By saying "ffff neighbors" you are showing all the problems of the Pakistani establishment: you can not survive surrounded by enemies. You need to cooperate with us. This will be good for us and for you.
                          Not just because of CPEC.Almost every indicator of Pakistan economy is showing Positive Progress.

                          Those prediction made in mushy era placed Pakistan under 15 Biggest GDP by 2050 because of above 7% growth rate but even the prediction made around 2013-14 when our growth rate was 3% put Pakistan among top 20.

                          China and India has shown that large Population can be a blessing aswell.Countries like Japan and America are in Supersaturated state and they can't grow beyond 1-2% growth rate.

                          A country can survive anything except an economy collapse.

                          I am not happy with 4.7% growth rate because our neighbors has double growth but still it is much better.At least our economy is declared Stable by International rating agencies
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post

                            China and India has shown that large Population can be a blessing aswell.Countries like Japan and America are in Supersaturated state and they can't grow beyond 1-2% growth rate.

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                            What is Afghanistan excuse? It's growing at 1% with GDP of just $15 billion. While Pakistan GDP is already $450 billion.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                              Game is over for Pakistan. Sh*t is about to get serious here. Now that USA has dealt with Iran nuclear ambitions, Pakistan comes next. India is a close ally of USA and a key asset in order to contain China. Iran is not anymore an enemy and Afghanistan is an ally. On the other hand, USA does not depend on Pakistan anymore. They don't need them so they can now deal with them.

                              Pakistan should expect sanctions in next months/years and also a growing isolation. Iran, Afghanistan and India are paving the road for a deeper and stronger cooperation. Pakistan dependence on China will grow just like North Korea. Pakistan will become a pariah state very soon. Its a matter of time.
                              The existence of Pakistan is essential in keeping the region divided, thus ruled. Hegemonic powers want to contain their assets, not destroy them.

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