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    Pakis pathetically impressing upon us that their murderous involvement in the Afghanistan by creating and promoting of backward Jahadist, or Taliban dictatorship and the back stabling of Afghanistan “strategic depth” are all justified given that Afghanistan threw the first punch. Even in this forum we have had the head of paki girl gang the mule and rest of cesspool insect agitprop this nonsense. As expected today on TOLO news the gang of khevtuk-das flat headed Amu jumpers were recycling this bull**** in order to get back at Pashtons. I truly find it fascinating when either of Paki gangs or Amu Jumpers is pretend to hold the moral high ground…either way lets understand some critical facts about Paki-Afghan relationship from start.

    Pakistan is NOT an independent “Islamic” state for Afghanistan and or Pashtun but is successor of British Raj for us. To this day Pakistan continues to follow British Raj’s forward policy toward Pashtun/Afghanistan. Ali Jenah in a speech to Tribal Jirga in 1947 calls Pashtuns of so called FATA has “Muslim brethren across boarder” and announces the continuation of the Frontier Crimes Regulations a set of brutal British laws designed to deny the Pashtun peoples of so called “tribal areas” basic legal and political rights. The FCR allows for collective punishment, indefinite detention, no right of appeals, and cases are heard by civil servants of the Federal government. The FCR was implemented to bring the oft rebellious tribes to heel and used the tribe to undermine Kabul and should have been repealed immediately after “Islamic” Pakistan gained Independence. Instead Jinnah changed nothing, and no other leader since has either.


    " Keeping in view your loyalty, help, assurances and declarations we ordered, as you know, the withdrawal of troops from Waziristan as a concrete and definite gesture on our part–that we treat you with absolute confidence and trust you as our Muslim brethren across the border.”

    Note* Jenah did not consider Waziristan part of Pakistan.

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    Ali Jinnah speech to Tribal Pashtun is nothing less than declaration of war against Afghanistan. Yet two years after recognizing Paki state Afghanistan realize the danger and in 1949 held a loy-jerga nullifying all the pervious treaty and formally voted against Pakistan membership to UN.


    What is Kabul’s Pashtunistan claim?

    Pashtunistan in Pakistan is Afghan soil by historical records and therefore Afghanistan should have a claim on it as it was indicated by 1949 Loy-Jerga. Yet Kabul government has never sought creating of Loy Afghanistan but that of Pashunistan a separate homeland for Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa where over 90% of the population is Pashtun. Even with independent Pashtunistan policy Kabul lacked sincerity. Khan Abdul Wali Khan in his book Bacha Khan aw Khudai Khidmatgaar Vol.2 1994 pages 614- 622 writes about a conversation he had with king Zahir shah, he had asked the King what do Afghan government mean when they speak of Pashtunistan? The king referred him to the prime minister Hashim Maiwandwal but he couldn’t give a satisfactory answer. Wali khan writes that he was not so naive not to understand that if the higher authority, the king cannot answer his question; no one else will.
    Khan Abdulwali Khan further writes about a conversation that took place in Kabul with a foreign ministry official Farhadi when they got together in the celebration of Pashtunistan day. He asked Farhadi the same question. What is the official stance of Afghanistan on Pashtunistan? Does Afghanistan support an independent Pashtunistan? Or political unification of lar aw bar Afghan or just the name change of NWFP to Pashtunistan? It is a long conversation but in short, Wali khan put three options to Farhadi.

    1. Afghanistan is a country with its forces, planes, tanks and artillery, they should speak to Pakistan to convince them that it is their territory and that it should be given back to Afghanistan, but if they refused to do that then they should use force. Pashtunistan Pashtuns will use force their end.
    2. If Afghanistan can’t then young Pashtuns of tribal belt should be motivated and supported, secretly though.
    3. A all out open war, Khudai Khidmatgaar will raise against Punjab and Afghanistan should declare war. Pashtunistan is your soil and these are your resources, lets fight for it.

    Farhadi reply was simple "today's national and international situation, do not allow us to take any of these options."

    This was the situation then and even now Afghanistan policy is not clear at all. Worst, in either side there is no political strategies for political unification of Afghans of lar aw bar. In Afghanistan then or now can’t find a movement which demand and work for unification. Afghan Millat was the only nationalist party that could work for this purpose but even they have not put this issue on their agenda. Pashtunisan is occupied so not much can be done by political parties there.


    The problem with Afghanistan is NOT throwing any punch even when opportunity presented itself in 1971. It is for the interest of all Pashtuns that the Afghan government comes up with a clear policy regarding Pashtunistan.

    ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
    نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

    چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
    نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

    سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
    بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

    چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
    يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

    سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
    په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

    ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
    اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

  • #2
    didn't bother to read the post but threw the punch at who? last time I checked afghanis are under non-muslim occupation. Never seen more shamless delusional bunch of people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Azmal View Post
      Pakis pathetically impressing upon us that their murderous involvement in the Afghanistan by creating and promoting of backward Jahadist, or Taliban dictatorship and the back stabling of Afghanistan “strategic depth” are all justified given that Afghanistan threw the first punch. Even in this forum we have had the head of paki girl gang the mule and rest of cesspool insect agitprop this nonsense. As expected today on TOLO news the gang of khevtuk-das flat headed Amu jumpers were recycling this bull**** in order to get back at Pashtons. I truly find it fascinating when either of Paki gangs or Amu Jumpers is pretend to hold the moral high ground…either way lets understand some critical facts about Paki-Afghan relationship from start.

      Pakistan is NOT an independent “Islamic” state for Afghanistan and or Pashtun but is successor of British Raj for us. To this day Pakistan continues to follow British Raj’s forward policy toward Pashtun/Afghanistan. Ali Jenah in a speech to Tribal Jirga in 1947 calls Pashtuns of so called FATA has “Muslim brethren across boarder” and announces the continuation of the Frontier Crimes Regulations a set of brutal British laws designed to deny the Pashtun peoples of so called “tribal areas” basic legal and political rights. The FCR allows for collective punishment, indefinite detention, no right of appeals, and cases are heard by civil servants of the Federal government. The FCR was implemented to bring the oft rebellious tribes to heel and used the tribe to undermine Kabul and should have been repealed immediately after “Islamic” Pakistan gained Independence. Instead Jinnah changed nothing, and no other leader since has either.


      " Keeping in view your loyalty, help, assurances and declarations we ordered, as you know, the withdrawal of troops from Waziristan as a concrete and definite gesture on our part–that we treat you with absolute confidence and trust you as our Muslim brethren across the border.”

      Note* Jenah did not consider Waziristan part of Pakistan.

      https://united4justice.wordpress.com...ernment-house/



      Ali Jinnah speech to Tribal Pashtun is nothing less than declaration of war against Afghanistan. Yet two years after recognizing Paki state Afghanistan realize the danger and in 1949 held a loy-jerga nullifying all the pervious treaty and formally voted against Pakistan membership to UN.


      What is Kabul’s Pashtunistan claim?

      Pashtunistan in Pakistan is Afghan soil by historical records and therefore Afghanistan should have a claim on it as it was indicated by 1949 Loy-Jerga. Yet Kabul government has never sought creating of Loy Afghanistan but that of Pashunistan a separate homeland for Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa where over 90% of the population is Pashtun. Even with independent Pashtunistan policy Kabul lacked sincerity. Khan Abdul Wali Khan in his book Bacha Khan aw Khudai Khidmatgaar Vol.2 1994 pages 614- 622 writes about a conversation he had with king Zahir shah, he had asked the King what do Afghan government mean when they speak of Pashtunistan? The king referred him to the prime minister Hashim Maiwandwal but he couldn’t give a satisfactory answer. Wali khan writes that he was not so naive not to understand that if the higher authority, the king cannot answer his question; no one else will.
      Khan Abdulwali Khan further writes about a conversation that took place in Kabul with a foreign ministry official Farhadi when they got together in the celebration of Pashtunistan day. He asked Farhadi the same question. What is the official stance of Afghanistan on Pashtunistan? Does Afghanistan support an independent Pashtunistan? Or political unification of lar aw bar Afghan or just the name change of NWFP to Pashtunistan? It is a long conversation but in short, Wali khan put three options to Farhadi.

      1. Afghanistan is a country with its forces, planes, tanks and artillery, they should speak to Pakistan to convince them that it is their territory and that it should be given back to Afghanistan, but if they refused to do that then they should use force. Pashtunistan Pashtuns will use force their end.
      2. If Afghanistan can’t then young Pashtuns of tribal belt should be motivated and supported, secretly though.
      3. A all out open war, Khudai Khidmatgaar will raise against Punjab and Afghanistan should declare war. Pashtunistan is your soil and these are your resources, lets fight for it.

      Farhadi reply was simple "today's national and international situation, do not allow us to take any of these options."

      This was the situation then and even now Afghanistan policy is not clear at all. Worst, in either side there is no political strategies for political unification of Afghans of lar aw bar. In Afghanistan then or now can’t find a movement which demand and work for unification. Afghan Millat was the only nationalist party that could work for this purpose but even they have not put this issue on their agenda. Pashtunisan is occupied so not much can be done by political parties there.


      The problem with Afghanistan is NOT throwing any punch even when opportunity presented itself in 1971. It is for the interest of all Pashtuns that the Afghan government comes up with a clear policy regarding Pashtunistan.
      Pashtuns are behind every single problem in Afghanistan and the entire region. You, with your warmonger nature and your nationalism/fascism have brought nothing but pain and suffering to this country. I am more than glad to see how you are getting gang banged on a daily basis by ANA, Pakistan, USA and your own Taliban brothers. Enjoy! LOL
      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

      -Ferdowsi.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Pashtuns are behind every single problem in Afghanistan and the entire region. You, with your warmonger nature and your nationalism/fascism have brought nothing but pain and suffering to this country. I am more than glad to see how you are getting gang banged on a daily basis by ANA, Pakistan, USA and your own Taliban brothers. Enjoy! LOL
        You trying to break the bubble of inferiority that surrounds Tajiks is like what Jafar Attai did in the conference. Tajiks (like you) use that pathetic argument that Pashtuns are getting "gang-banged" yet if you actually look at the statistics, it is Tajiks who are getting "gang-banged". i.e. Mongols, Persians, Pashtuns, Porkistanis, Uzbeks, Russians have all "gang-banged" you already. Not only that, you're getting gang-banged by your own Tajik uncles through bacha bazi. Keep on going about your "superior Persian culture" when Iranians themselves spit on you as flat-headed Mongols.
        "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Golden View Post
          didn't bother to read the post but threw the punch at who? last time I checked afghanis are under non-muslim occupation. Never seen more shamless delusional bunch of people.
          I find it ironic that you say under foreign occupation when Porkistan willingly opened up its air, sea and land space to be used by the Americans. Not only that, you Porkistanis willingly let America do its dirty business in your country. Hijras, goat rape, etc, it is obvious that it is only you Porkistanis who are the cancer in this world.
          "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aryana View Post
            I find it ironic that you say under foreign occupation when Porkistan willingly opened up its air, sea and land space to be used by the Americans. Not only that, you Porkistanis willingly let America do its dirty business in your country. Hijras, goat rape, etc, it is obvious that it is only you Porkistanis who are the cancer in this world.


            Paki cowards had the option to fight and defended themselves, or to surrender and serve. They chose to surrender and serve, just like they always have done in the past 3000 years.

            They talk about jihad and war all the time, but we all know that a paki is two faced coward and liar.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Friends of Baloch View Post


              Paki cowards had the option to fight and defended themselves, or to surrender and serve. They chose to surrender and serve, just like they always have done in the past 3000 years.

              They talk about jihad and war all the time, but we all know that a paki is two faced coward and liar.
              Paki cowards had the option to fight and defended themselves, or to surrender and serve. They chose to surrender and serve, just like they always have done in the past 3000 years
              Pakistanis were talking big in the 1971 war and their general Niazi was speaking of how he would push his army all the way to Delhi and take it over.

              What happened?

              In December of that year after months of Mukti Bahini freedom fighters fighting with the Pakistanis, the Indians moved in and in just over 10 days the "Mighty Pakistani" army folded and surrendered like cowards.

              Niazi had been raping, drinking, murdering but did not have the courage to fight to the death against the Indians.

              During WW2 the Japanese commanders would fight like crazy and at the very end would fight until they died, something which the big mouth cowardly Pakistani army too busy raping and murdering couldn't do.

              They talk about jihad and war all the time, but we all know that a paki is two faced coward and liar.
              They use the Jihad-talk to use "Pathans" (Pashtuns) as cannon fodder for Punjabi-Pakistani interests.

              They go on about Muslim Bengalis receiving aid from non-Muslim "Hindu" India, but go quiet when Afghans point out that the Pakistanis allied with "Kafir" (non-Muslim) America to bomb and invade Afghanistan.

              This is why some Pakistani militant groups have declared the Pakistan army as apostates because they have sided with "kuffar" (disbelievers) i.e. America against Muslims in Afghanistan.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                Pakistanis were talking big in the 1971 war and their general Niazi was speaking of how he would push his army all the way to Delhi and take it over.

                What happened?

                In December of that year after months of Mukti Bahini freedom fighters fighting with the Pakistanis, the Indians moved in and in just over 10 days the "Mighty Pakistani" army folded and surrendered like cowards.

                Niazi had been raping, drinking, murdering but did not have the courage to fight to the death against the Indians.

                During WW2 the Japanese commanders would fight like crazy and at the very end would fight until they died, something which the big mouth cowardly Pakistani army too busy raping and murdering couldn't do.



                They use the Jihad-talk to use "Pathans" (Pashtuns) as cannon fodder for Punjabi-Pakistani interests.

                They go on about Muslim Bengalis receiving aid from non-Muslim "Hindu" India, but go quiet when Afghans point out that the Pakistanis allied with "Kafir" (non-Muslim) America to bomb and invade Afghanistan.

                This is why some Pakistani militant groups have declared the Pakistan army as apostates because they have sided with "kuffar" (disbelievers) i.e. America against Muslims in Afghanistan.
                So does the Afghan government. USA. India. And almost everyone else. Pashtuns have become political prostitutes. Mere pawn used by stronger players to harm their political enemies. Honestly, who cares? Nobody lol
                "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                -Ferdowsi.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                  I find it ironic that you say under foreign occupation when Porkistan willingly opened up its air, sea and land space to be used by the Americans. Not only that, you Porkistanis willingly let America do its dirty business in your country. Hijras, goat rape, etc, it is obvious that it is only you Porkistanis who are the cancer in this world.
                  Brother think with clear head for once. Afghanis are our enemies and of the world, of course we will support world peace over you Even then we didn't allowed them to build military bases in Pakistan like other countries have done.

                  Pakistan will not even allow trucks to pass if USA war was against China and not terrorist nation. If USA war was unjustified then Pakistan would have supported Afghanistan and liberated her just like in 1980's.
                  Last edited by Golden; 05-15-2016, 10:53 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Golden View Post
                    Brother think with clear head for once. Afghanis are our enemies and of the world, of course we will support world peace over you Even then we didn't allowed them to build military bases in Pakistan like other countries have done.

                    Pakistan will not even allow trucks to pass if USA war was against China and not terrorist nation. If USA war was unjustified then Pakistan would have supported Afghanistan and liberated her just like in 1980's.
                    That might be your opinion mate, but sorry to break it to you, Porkistan actually lets America us its airspace, land, and sea areas. Not only that, Porkistan actually allied with America on countless tasks, one of them is funding the Taliban. It goes to show the state that Porkistan is in today.
                    "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                      So does the Afghan government. USA. India. And almost everyone else. Pashtuns have become political prostitutes. Mere pawn used by stronger players to harm their political enemies. Honestly, who cares? Nobody lol
                      You always think of Tajiks as being something big, but then look at how easily the Russian empire took control of Tajikistan. Tajikistan is ****ing mountains, and yet they couldn't defend the British. Having Tajiks in a country is just adding a dead weight.
                      "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                        That might be your opinion mate, but sorry to break it to you, Porkistan actually lets America us its airspace, land, and sea areas. Not only that, Porkistan actually allied with America on countless tasks, one of them is funding the Taliban. It goes to show the state that Porkistan is in today.
                        I don't want to repeat my self but yes we supported free world against terrorist nation. History proves Pakistan did the right thing. And no Pakistan or America didn't fund Taliban, they came up on their own after Soviets left.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Golden View Post
                          I don't want to repeat my self but yes we supported free world against terrorist nation. History proves Pakistan did the right thing. And no Pakistan or America didn't fund Taliban, they came up on their own after Soviets left.
                          I don't want to repeat myself either, Porkistan is funding the Taliban. Thank Allah that the same Taliban you're funding is biting you back through terrorist attacks. Goes to show, playing with a snake eventually means you'll be bitten back.

                          Funny how you call Afghanistan a terrorist nation when the head of terrorism, Osama bin Laden, was found in Porkistan and not Afghanistan.
                          "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                            I don't want to repeat myself either, Porkistan is funding the Taliban. Thank Allah that the same Taliban you're funding is biting you back through terrorist attacks. Goes to show, playing with a snake eventually means you'll be bitten back.

                            Funny how you call Afghanistan a terrorist nation when the head of terrorism, Osama bin Laden, was found in Porkistan and not Afghanistan.
                            Brother slavery has poisoned your mind. Non-muslim occupation forces not only have brainwashed afghanis but also made them in to permanent slaves.

                            Taliban is dead and buried in Pakistan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aryana View Post
                              That might be your opinion mate, but sorry to break it to you, Porkistan actually lets America us its airspace, land, and sea areas. Not only that, Porkistan actually allied with America on countless tasks, one of them is funding the Taliban. It goes to show the state that Porkistan is in today.

                              Speaking of foreigners here are some facts about history of Pakistan’s security institutions.


                              Pakistan Military:
                              Remnant of British India army, made up of Indian-Muslims whom have faithfully served British for 200 years... Including but not limited in war against Iraq, Afghanistan, Ottomans and World War 1 and 2.


                              ISI:
                              ISI is the brainchild of Australian-born British Army officer, Major General R. Cawthome, then Deputy Chief of Staff in the Pakistan Army.


                              Army:
                              First two Chief of Army Staff of the Pakistan Army where General Sir Frank Messervy (August 15, 1947 - February 10, 1948) General Sir Douglas David Gracey ( February 11, 1948 - January 16, 1951 .


                              Pakistan air force.
                              Air force Chiefs
                              Air Vice Marshal Allan Perry-Keane (August 15, 1947 - February 17, 1949)
                              Air Vice Marshal R.L.R. Atcherley (February 18, 1949 - May 6, 1951)
                              Air Vice Marshal L.W. Cannon (May 7, 1951 - June 19, 1955)
                              Air Vice Marshal A.W.B. McDonald (June 20, 1955 - July 22, 1957)


                              Naval Chiefs
                              Vice Admiral J.W. Jefford CB CBE (August 14, 1947 - January 31, 1953)
                              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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