Hungry and sexually frustrated crowd is attacking girls in PTI rally of Lahore

[Firdousi]

The epithets like "King of Kabulistan" or "King of Khorasan" are a bit wonky, I'm not sure which references you saw them in, but even the case, It'd be hard to believe he meant he named his Administration "Kingdom of Khorasan".

I don't see any evidence that any historical nation called "Iran" or "Iran Zameen" or "EranSahr" ever existed. If you mean a generic, and I stress the word generic, reference to the people inhabiting an area, then maybe, but not an actual kingdom or magistrate or unifying identity. Bharat existed, but same deal. Masr is the only one that can say to have actually existed as a Kingdom, although it was called Kemet in ancient times I believe?

Syria most certainly didn't exist, Sham existed, because it meant they're from the North, it was a regional epithet.

So not quite so easy peasey "buddy".

Dude, you are smart enough. Don't make repeat myself over and over again. Once again here we go: you are confusing the modern Western nation-state concept with an old cultural term. Neither Eranshahr, nor Khorasan were countries or nation-states in the modern sense. They were a cultural reality that described a land inhabited by common people (Aryans) with a common language and culture. Unfortunately most of that historical land was split up by Brits and instead they created a failed state called Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Afghanistan is a culturally confused nation. Iran does not have that problem.

Kemet, Mesr and Egypt are different names for the same thing. Same thing goes for Syria: even during Crusades Muslims and Christians considered their Syrian lands as part of one cultural reality despite being politically divided between Muslims and Christians.

You are welcome, buddy.

[Firdousi]

You do realise that all those countries (except Turkey) have been colonised by western powers. Don't get confused with Ancient Egypt, and modern Egypt. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by Ancient Egyptians, not Arabs like it is today. The same goes for Syria. As for Iran, do you know that Russia and British agreed on the current borders of Iran, since they were in control of it for a period of time? Not only that, Iran became a puppet state of the west. Turkey has only come up recently, since it was known as historically known as Anatolia. If you've read history, Turks were originally from Central Asia but after the Seljuq empire, they settled in Anatolia. Do you see your logic here? Afghanistan has always existed as a separate entity. Aryana, Khorosan etc, to say that Afghanistan hasn't been a historical nation, you'll need to disregard your claims that Iran was its own nation. "Iran Zameen" is just a term that you wannabe Persians use to try to fulfill your imperial ambitions.

Ok, ok. Take a dollar and go get yourself some peanuts. Adults are talking here, kid lol

[Firdousi]

May be things are different on Afghanistan side, but the Pashtuns i know care only about the respect and honour of women of their own family or of their own qaum. Pashtun men are hypocrite and selective in Ghairat..........They think that just because a girl is not wearing burqa or hijab, they are permitted to rape them with their eyes. True gentlemen are rare among Pashtuns .In Peshawar, a sin city, Pashtun men stare at Kabuli women (who are easily identified from their dress) in meaningful and vulgar manner. Pashtun youngsters from all over the Pakhtunkhwa go to PTI rallies in Islamabad and Punjab, not to listen to Imran Khan's speech but to have stares at the modern girls there. I recently attended the PTI rally in Islamabad, and i was not surprised that it were mostly Pashtun visitors from KPK who were misbehaving with local girls , not just staring at them but passing comments at them and some following them.

Thats seems to be a common practice among Pakistanis. I have witnessed in Emirates that behavior of yours: every time you go to a fancy mall such as Dubai Mall, Mall of Emirates or City Centre Mirdif its just infested by Pakistanis stalking at modern girls, chasing after them and so on. Its disgusting.

BTW since seems you are well versed when it comes to Pashtun history, can you please tell us what was the title ahmad durrani used during his kingdom? King of Afghanistan? King of Khorasan? King of Kabulistan?

Dera manana

[Manzareh]

I know a few Afghan girls, nearly all of them have story's of sexual assault when they have visited Afghanistan, even as young girls. they have been groped and or even worse. They are traumatised and never want to go back ever again.

In UK, afghans (from modern afghansitan) are known as perverts.. the uzbeki/hazara chinese types hang around with the pashtun afghans in huge groups like armies, they are always swarming in the city centres of London, Birmingham, Leicester, Derby, Manchester. they are always fighting over girls, even when the girl is wearing a headscarf they will laugh and giggle when she walks past and say 'mashaallah' some are at least 20 years old but since they have a fake age for immigration purposes they are put in school classes with 14-15 year old girls, and as a consequence alot of trouble.

I have never known Pashtuns from the KPK side walk around in such large numbers and act so desperate and hungry.

I'm not on anyones side, this is purely an honest observation.

[Golden]

Some Afghani refugees in Europe are known to behave like animals, they don't even spare women working for them in refugee centers.

[Samandri]

BTW since seems you are well versed when it comes to Pashtun history, can you please tell us what was the title ahmad durrani used during his kingdom? King of Afghanistan? King of Khorasan? King of Kabulistan?

Dera manana

Dont know. On his coins, he has always styled himself as "Badshah' i.e king (Ahmad badshah). And according to book "Rise of Indo-Afghan empire", he has also styled himself "Shahanshah" i.e Emperor and "Khaqan" (the Turkish title).......his full titles must be on his sanads and letters. Here is one of the royal decree of Ahmad Shah Abdali for tribal leaders from Khorasan but i dont know whats going on in the unreadable sanned sanad.

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[Shapur]

May be things are different on Afghanistan side, but the Pashtuns i know care only about the respect and honour of women of their own family or of their own qaum. Pashtun men are hypocrite and selective in Ghairat..........They think that just because a girl is not wearing burqa or hijab, they are permitted to rape them with their eyes. True gentlemen are rare among Pashtuns .In Peshawar, a sin city, Pashtun men stare at Kabuli women (who are easily identified from their dress) in meaningful and vulgar manner. Pashtun youngsters from all over the Pakhtunkhwa go to PTI rallies in Islamabad and Punjab, not to listen to Imran Khan's speech but to have stares at the modern girls there. I recently attended the PTI rally in Islamabad, and i was not surprised that it were mostly Pashtun visitors from KPK who were misbehaving with local girls , not just staring at them but passing comments at them and some following them.

This also true for many Afghans and most people in general. Most of us have selective ghairat and have a strange and twisted definition of ghairat. Some consider sending girls to schools as be ghairati but the same people don't consider chasing other people's daughters as beghairati. This is a problem not limited to Pashtuns but most societies. Even in the west girls who show more skin than others are seen as inviting harrassment to themselves so you will see guys chasing them as they see that as a green signal.

[Shapur]

Thats seems to be a common practice among Pakistanis. I have witnessed in Emirates that behavior of yours: every time you go to a fancy mall such as Dubai Mall, Mall of Emirates or City Centre Mirdif its just infested by Pakistanis stalking at modern girls, chasing after them and so on. Its disgusting.

BTW since seems you are well versed when it comes to Pashtun history, can you please tell us what was the title ahmad durrani used during his kingdom? King of Afghanistan? King of Khorasan? King of Kabulistan?

Dera manana

To be fair this happens everywhere so to single out Pakistanis is not fair. I know plenty of freshie Afghans who do this as soon as they get the freedom to do so. Back home such behaviour has reprecussion so they jave to restrain themselves, not because they were some holy men.

[Shapur]

Some Afghani refugees in Europe are known to behave like animals, they don't even spare women working for them in refugee centers.

Do you have any evidence for this?

The recent sexual assault by asylum seekers were proven to be fake

Fake' 'photos' 'flood' 'Internet' 'after' 'sexual' 'assaults' 'in' 'Germany

[Shapur]

I know a few Afghan girls, nearly all of them have story's of sexual assault when they have visited Afghanistan, even as young girls. they have been groped and or even worse. They are traumatised and never want to go back ever again.

In UK, afghans (from modern afghansitan) are known as perverts.. the uzbeki/hazara chinese types hang around with the pashtun afghans in huge groups like armies, they are always swarming in the city centres of London, Birmingham, Leicester, Derby, Manchester. they are always fighting over girls, even when the girl is wearing a headscarf they will laugh and giggle when she walks past and say 'mashaallah' some are at least 20 years old but since they have a fake age for immigration purposes they are put in school classes with 14-15 year old girls, and as a consequence alot of trouble.

I have never known Pashtuns from the KPK side walk around in such large numbers and act so desperate and hungry.

I'm not on anyones side, this is purely an honest observation.

I am not trying to defend the perverts back home but some western raised girls don't undrestand the cultural sensitivities of third world countries. You can't dress and behave the way you do in the west. That sort of attitude as seen by men back home as a signal that the girl has loose morals and a sort of invitation. Its the parents responsibility to make their kids aware of this.

Asylum seekers and refugees in most cases are young men without family and have never been exposed to such freedoms. They lack the social skills on how to go about dating a western girl so instead they try their bollywood moves and come across as perverts.

Some of these guys came to these countries really young with no one to guide them in life and they often have identity crisis. They neither belong back home neither in Europe. Some turn to extremist Islam and some become gangsters. I feel sorry for these people because they have no support structure.

[Manzareh]

I am not trying to defend the perverts back home but some western raised girls don't undrestand the cultural sensitivities of third world countries. You can't dress and behave the way you do in the west. That sort of attitude as seen by men back home as a signal that the girl has loose morals and a sort of invitation. Its the parents responsibility to make their kids aware of this.

Asylum seekers and refugees in most cases are young men without family and have never been exposed to such freedoms. They lack the social skills on how to go about dating a western girl so instead they try their bollywood moves and come across as perverts.

Some of these guys came to these countries really young with no one to guide them in life and they often have identity crisis. They neither belong back home neither in Europe. Some turn to extremist Islam and some become gangsters. I feel sorry for these people because they have no support structure.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.

[Golden]

Do you have any evidence for this?

The recent sexual assault by asylum seekers were proven to be fake

Fake' 'photos' 'flood' 'Internet' 'after' 'sexual' 'assaults' 'in' 'Germany

Evidence is just few clicks away, even raping workers in asylum centers is quite common among Afghanis.
Teenage Afghan migrant, 16, 'rapes worker at Belgian asylum centre two weeks after attending a course on how to treat Western women' 19 Feb 2016




Afghan teen charged with raping worker at Belgian asylum centre | Daily Mail Online

[Shapur]

Evidence is just few clicks away, even raping workers in asylum centers is quite common among Afghanis.
Teenage Afghan migrant, 16, 'rapes worker at Belgian asylum centre two weeks after attending a course on how to treat Western women' 19 Feb 2016




Afghan teen charged with raping worker at Belgian asylum centre | Daily Mail Online

He should be punished by the law of the country the liberal Europeans will probably say he is under age of 18 and let him go.

First of all it is "Afghans", "Afghani" is the currency, secondly few isolated cases doesn't mean most Afghan refugees behave this way. To give a chance to others to attack you by generalizing everyone.

[Firdousi]

To be fair this happens everywhere so to single out Pakistanis is not fair. I know plenty of freshie Afghans who do this as soon as they get the freedom to do so. Back home such behaviour has reprecussion so they jave to restrain themselves, not because they were some holy men.

True. Sexual frustration is widely spread all over the Islamic world specially in those extremely conservatives one such as Afghanistan, India or Pakistan. I did not mean at all this is exclusively a Pakistani problem.

[Firdousi]

Dont know. On his coins, he has always styled himself as "Badshah' i.e king (Ahmad badshah). And according to book "Rise of Indo-Afghan empire", he has also styled himself "Shahanshah" i.e Emperor and "Khaqan" (the Turkish title).......his full titles must be on his sanads and letters. Here is one of the royal decree of Ahmad Shah Abdali for tribal leaders from Khorasan but i dont know whats going on in the unreadable sanned sanad.

Asnad.org Digital Persian Archives:
Detail view document 195

Hmm, thanks for the info, buddy.

Man, we should stop using abusive words. Lets start over. Tabula rasa. You seem like a nice guy and would like to apologize for my bad behavior.

Thank you.