Why are (the majority of)Pakistani Pashtuns proud Pakistanis

[paulgill]

I know afghanis more then other paki ethnic groups like sindhis, baloch, seraikis etc And I don't mean meeting some afghani in foreign country. They are humans, neither bad or good.

You insult Pakis bcz you feel kinship with your khoidad pathan side despite being sikh which is ok for me. But remember we don't have same opinion about Afghanis because I actually know them outside internets.

You have got it totally wrong, I never claim to have anything to do with Khoidad pathans, a suggestion was made based on a book by some researcher, and I chose to look into it, that is all, not that I ever believed that person, or claim to have anything to do with Pashtuns.

I am actually completely surprises by you people, I don't know why you people think that I claim to be a Pashtun. Just go and ask a Jatt in your area if he wants to be a Pashtun and you will get your answer.

I am looking for only genetic relationship as that is the only true lineage one have. Non genetic relationships are not real and are formed for many different reasons, and so is the story of the names, they are given, adopted and can be changed.

The sole reason of me having respect for Pashtuns is their principle of Nanawatai and nothing else whatsoever, and that is the reason why I asked you about it.

I did not insult pakis first, period.

[Firdousi]

Farsibans are very attracted towards smell of cow piss......they as well as Iranians genuinely like Hindus. The Afghan-Pashtuns on the other hand, are just desperate and lost.....Afghan-Pashtun is sleeping in bed with Hindu though he dislikes the stench of Hindu Baniya. Afghan-India friendship is fake, its just "enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Haha, come on Paki you gotta do it better.

There is no "friendship" in politics. Just interests. India is a positive force in Afghanistan. Unlike those greedy Chinese they don't want to loot our resources. Unlike ugly Pakis they don't spread terrorism in our country. They are helping us to rebuild our country and all they ask in return is to use our soil against Pakistan. As I said once its a win-win. Jai Hind man lol

[Dhillon]

LMAO paulgill thair jaa 22G.

[Samandri]

Haha, come on Paki you gotta do it better.

There is no "friendship" in politics. Just interests. India is a positive force in Afghanistan. Unlike those greedy Chinese they don't want to loot our resources. Unlike ugly Pakis they don't spread terrorism in our country. They are helping us to rebuild our country and all they ask in return is to use our soil against Pakistan. As I said once its a win-win. Jai Hind man lol

Not exactly. Tajik and Iranian women dance and party with Hindu men, and sleep with them......Persio-Tajiks are attracted towards Hindu men and their cow-piss stench. Deep down there is some connection between Persian world and Hindu world but i have not yet figured it out. Its Baloch rebel, who has joined hands with India, but has not given his 'kwana' to Hindu to be used.

[tilla_jogian]

You have got it totally wrong, I never claim to have anything to do with Khoidad pathans, a suggestion was made based on a book by some researcher, and I chose to look into it, that is all, not that I ever believed that person, or claim to have anything to do with Pashtuns.

I am actually completely surprises by you people, I don't know why you people think that I claim to be a Pashtun. Just go and ask a Jatt in your area if he wants to be a Pashtun and you will get your answer.

I am looking for only genetic relationship as that is the only true lineage one have. Non genetic relationships are not real and are formed for many different reasons, and so is the story of the names, they are given, adopted and can be changed.

The sole reason of me having respect for Pashtuns is their principle of Nanawatai and nothing else whatsoever, and that is the reason why I asked you about it.

I did not insult pakis first, period.

You come across that way in ur posts even if you deny it now. You said Paki pashtuns are 2nd class citizens just to please your afghan kin. Paki pashtuns are integral part of Pakistani establishment, army etc While sikhs in India become PM as token gesture because of 1984 genocide.

That's why there haven't been "freedom" movement from Paki pashtuns outside internet forums lol While afghani pashtuns in army desert to join Taliban.

[Sarbani]

I would have to say since the Pashtun regions are very poor compared to the Indic regions of Pakistan (Punjab, Sindh), they see those people as culturally superior. Afghanistan is on the same level of poverty (or slightly poorer than) the Pashtun regions of Pakistan, so Pashtuns don't really seek to unify as it wouldn't help them economically. They already have been brainwashed to look down upon their culture/language with the media/education always promoting an artificial pan-Pakistani identity.

There are two main state run channels in Pakistan that are available to anyone with a TV and antenna. They are PTV Home and PTV News. These channels only report in Urdu and spread Pakistani propaganda. Many villagers that own a TV watch this and appreciate Indic culture/language and become more pro-Pakistan. Also, all newspapers that Pashtuns read are full of Pakistani propaganda and written in Urdu. Urdu is given a lot of importance that makes Pashtuns want to learn it. It makes them seem more elite too.

Also, I would say that the main reason is because many upper class Pashtuns have been assimilated into the Pakistani elite. They have significant power in the country so they don't wish to create separatist sentiment because it wouldn't benefit them personally. Just look at Imran Khan. Many politicians also organize pro-Pakistan events (such as on Independence Day) and this fuels Pakistani nationalism. There are also no Pashtun nationalist heroes for Pashtuns of Pakistan to look up to.

In short, Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashtun history, they are taught Pakistani history. Pashtuns of Pakistan are not taught Pashto, they are taught Urdu. Pashtuns of Pakistan have their culture/language seen as inferior and Desi culture as superior. These ideals are spread to Pashtuns initially via the media/education and then get passed on from parents to children.

Many Pashtuns also live in Punjab and Karachi where they are culturally Punjabi but just have Pashtun lineage and often speak a heavily butchered version of Pashto. These people are heavily patriotic to Pakistan.

[Firdousi]

Not exactly. Tajik and Iranian women dance and party with Hindu men, and sleep with them......Persio-Tajiks are attracted towards Hindu men and their cow-piss stench. Deep down there is some connection between Persian world and Hindu world but i have not yet figured it out. Its Baloch rebel, who has joined hands with India, but has not given his 'kwana' to Hindu to be used.

Hahahahaha, you are funny. Man if you want to break balls at least try to do it better. Average Afghan and Iranian regardless his ethnic background consider people from the Indian subcontinent (I am including you as well into the Indic category) as ugly people.

Brother you are ugly and you smell bad. Nothing wrong with that. You just need to take bath more often.

[paulgill]

You come across that way in ur posts even if you deny it now. You said Paki pashtuns are 2nd class citizens just to please your afghan kin. Paki pashtuns are integral part of Pakistani establishment, army etc While sikhs in India become PM as token gesture because of 1984 genocide.

That's why there haven't been "freedom" movement from Paki pashtuns outside internet forums lol While afghani pashtuns in army desert to join Taliban.

That is based on what we see and hear on the news, documentries etc. here, conflict in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, not only me, anybody here will say the same thing.

[tilla_jogian]

That is based on what we see and hear on the news, documentries etc. here, conflict in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, not only me, anybody here will say the same thing.

Here you mean PF? Who the **** cares. Situation on ground is very different. What you hear in documentaries of Afghanistan also have no bearing on Pakistan, most of them are on topic of bacha bazi anyway.

When you have people in PF saying Paki pashtuns are as poor as afghani pashtuns then one don't need to be genius to figure out most of these western raised afghani refugee kids have never set foot in Afghanistan.
Actual situation on ground is that afghani refugees in Pakistan refuse to move back not because they love Pakistan or have respectable life in Pakistan, just so they can eat couple of times a day.

Western based afghanis want to believe paki pashtuns are oppressed and slaves of punjabis to feel good about themselves on internets, and then they wonder despite all that why they're proud of being Pakis.

[paulgill]

Here you mean PF? Who the **** cares. Situation on ground is very different. What you hear in documentaries of Afghanistan also have no bearing on Pakistan, most of them are on topic of bacha bazi anyway.

When you have people in PF saying Paki pashtuns are as poor as afghani pashtuns then one don't need to be genius to figure out most of these western raised afghani refugee kids have never set foot in Afghanistan.
Actual situation on ground is that afghani refugees in Pakistan refuse to move back not because they love Pakistan or have respectable life in Pakistan, just so they can eat couple of times a day.

Western based afghanis want to believe paki pashtuns are oppressed and slaves of punjabis to feel good about themselves on internets, and then they wonder despite all that why they're proud of being Pakis.

It is not the internet that I am talking about here, there are other sources of information too, no?

[tilla_jogian]

It is not the internet that I am talking about here, there are other sources of information too, no?

What other sources? Do you think you know more then me? Use some common sense if Pakistan is so bad then why even refugees are not going back. Afghani muhajirs are given respect and treated like human beings in Pakistan.

Afghani muhajirs are proud people (I mean pashtuns, not counting farsi muhajirs), they would have moved back if local population was hostile to them.

[Firdousi]

What other sources? Do you think you know more then me? Use some common sense if Pakistan is so bad then why even refugees are not going back. Afghani muhajirs are given respect and treated like human beings in Pakistan.

Afghani muhajirs are proud people (I mean pashtuns, not counting farsi muhajirs), they would have moved back if local population was hostile to them.

They are not going back because they are in their country. Brother, Pashtunistan and Baluchistan belong to Afghanistan. They are at their home.

[paulgill]

What other sources? Do you think you know more then me? Use some common sense if Pakistan is so bad then why even refugees are not going back. Afghani muhajirs are given respect and treated like human beings in Pakistan.

Afghani muhajirs are proud people (I mean pashtuns, not counting farsi muhajirs), they would have moved back if local population was hostile to them.

There are hundreds of channels, news, documentaries etc. as I mentioned earlier. I may not know better than you but there are lot many out there who certainly do.

Why will one become a refugee? Why one have to leave his own country, moving to Pakistan is not moving to Sweden, or it is?

Afghanistan once a fine country is made a hell hole now by the internal and external politicle/ecnomic interests, Pakistan is doing much better for now but look at the direction it is going in.

Do I need to say any more?

[tilla_jogian]

They are not going back because they are in their country. Brother, Pashtunistan and Baluchistan belong to Afghanistan. They are at their home.

They don't belong anywhere in Pakistan, let's forget about a minute that most of them live in Karachi. Some have gone back after Afghanis massacred 144 kids in Peshawar school. Police started to harass them but despite all this effort only few thousands have gone back.

Last week muhajirs homes were destroyed in Torkham/FATA which I don't agree with because Afghani pashtuns are Pakistanis anyway. They should go back voluntarily and knowing Pakistan wished good for them.

Afghani cricket team captain said he was in two minds playing against Pakistan, because they used to support Pakistan and now they are playing against them. Obviously he was afghani pashtun who lived in Pakistan all his life. I was little surprised by this because I used to believe afghanis muhajirs supported India over Pakistan.

[tilla_jogian]

There are hundreds of channels, news, documentaries etc. as I mentioned earlier. I may not know better than you but there are lot many out there who certainly do.

Why will one become a refugee? Why one have to leave his own country, moving to Pakistan is not moving to Sweden, or it is?

Afghanistan once a fine country is made a hell hole now by the internal and external politicle/ecnomic interests, Pakistan is doing much better for now but look at the direction it is going in.

Do I need to say any more?

Stop saying non sense, you have not said anything substantial apart from repeating afghani line because u feel kinship with them while they make fun of you.

They became refugee because they invited soviets who bombed them to hell, killing up to 2 million innocent people. Rest fled to Pakistan. Afghanistan was never fine country, they could have been litle better then now but that's it. Pakistan is going in right direction but you will not know it or care anyway. Western Afghani refugees remind me of khalistani sikhs in europe and canada.