Proof that Punjabis feel inferior to Pashtuns and pretend to be "Pathans"

[Firdousi]

Step outside and take a look at the American soldiers patrolling the streets nearby, some of whom are "sub-human negroids" and "mutant mulatto latinos", keeping your "strong, noble Aryan state" from collapsing into a pile of rubble. What's the point I'm trying to get at over here? Race doesn't matter anymore. It didn't matter 1000 years ago, but it matters even less now. You can tell from the fact that a country like the United States, with no thousand-year old history and a vibrant mix of races and ethnicities easily dominated and crushed the "proud, noble, superior Afghan-Persian-Aryan-Pashtun race" and is now babysitting their crippled body until it recovers well enough to be beaten to a bloody pulp by some other "sub-human" regional or global power.

Greetings!

First off nice to meet you brother.

Calm down. I did not mean to offend you. There is no need to get emotional.

I don't care about races. But seems pretty obvious that many Pakistanis got some sort of inferiority complex (many Afghans got a superiority complex which is wrong too). Whether you like it or not at the end of the day you guys are just Islamized Hindus, aren't you?

[Firdousi]

Pakistan have not gotten worse in last 15 years in terms of development. I believe what you're saying about Afghanistan but Pakistan have also come long way. Yes things could have been better but that's life.

Since 15 years poverty have decreased according to WB and UN and GDP increased many folds yet you make it seem like Pakistan is stuck in 2000.

You just linked your main urban centers through road which was done by early 50's in Pakistan. I don't think there is any point in comparing development of both countries. Pakistan is independent while Afghanistan will need many more decades to get on same stage.

Greetings!

I did not say Pakistan is "stuck in 2000". I even dare to say that you are even worse.

You are missing the big picture: back then Pakistan was a regional power. India and Pakistan had almost the same power. Actually thanks to your victory in Afghanistan you even had the upper hand over India. Well look at yourselves now: Pakistan is a failed state, your economical growth is limited to a economic corridor while India is already competing with the rest of superpowers. Terrorist attacks take place on a regular basis. Turmoil in all your provinces. Religious zealots doing sit-in in your capital and blackmailing your government, your country is considered a terrorist state by all your neighbors and almost every other important international player, India has left you behind, even a small and weak country as Afghanistan is able to hurt you.

You are completely isolated. Your own proxy forces are bitting you. And there is no one else to blame than yourselves. I am doing some valid points. Its the harsh truth!

[Firdousi]

Dont assume that i have not been to Herat, like i said, there are just some modern polished buildings otherwise its an empty shell...you talk of high living standards?, its a lie. Universities colleges etc are joke , so are the hospitals (Doctors in Herat are big joke, so are the facilities). The city is "relatively" clean though, but it doesnt mean it gets into your head and start comparing it with Pakistani cities. Calm down, buildings other than mud houses, doesnt mean your city and country has made tremendous progress. When Afghanistan makes genuine progress, not painting on the surface, i will nod in agreement with you.

About Herati people.....I am told they are fine and sophisticated people

Ok brother. Everything is a joke. You are right. I am wrong.

Congratulation for your victory.

[Samandri]

Ok brother. Everything is a joke. You are right. I am wrong.

Congratulation for your victory.

Dont feel offended. I am not making fun of your city or country , just telling the harsh and depressing reality, i have been to your country and i know a great deal about it from the mouths of others who have worked there.

Keep playing good cricket

[Firdousi]

Thats a good answer, and to the point.....Kudos. Still Herat or any Persian city or village, has no monopoly over preaching Islam to India, most of the preachers were from Central Asia. There is not a single ethnic Iranian dynasty which ruled Delhi as Sultans, most of them were Turks from Central Asia, and Persians were one of the many classes serving them. Persians were not warriors and leaders, they were court creatures and remained mostly in big cities of India, mostly sticked to administration, literature, poetry etc.

About Ghorids, you can call them Tajiks but they were certainly not Iranians or Persians, and had no resemblance to Heratis. Ghorids were some distinct east Iranian group , with distinct language as their contemporaries tell us. According to 10th century book Hadud-i-Alam ,

"a province amid mountains and rugged country. It has a King called Ghur Shah. He draws his strength from the mir of Guzganan. In the days of old this province of Ghur was pagan (Kafir) ; actually most of the people are Muslims. To them belong numerous boroughs and villages. From this province come slaves , armour, coats of mail, and good arms. The people are bad-tempered, unruly, and ignorant. They are white and swarthy" (page-110)

The above description of Ghurids reveal that they were quite different from Persians in temperament and ways of life....rather very similar to Afghans

Well brother its kinda disturbing that you consider Pashtun and ignorant as synonymous.

You go to Ghor now.. and people remain ignorant and unruly haha. But the Ghorids made some huge contributions to Persian culture and to Islam.

There is no need to be "warriors" or "leaders". Pashtuns are "warriors" and look at yourselves. Brain and not guts is what rules this world. Thats why in Afghanistan Tajiks rule everything and are becoming a solid dominant ruling class while Pashtuns can not even speak their own language. You need to be smart, brother.

BTW I find hilarious how many Pashtuns look down on Tajiks just because we are not warmongers like them. Don't underestimate us brothers: during the civil war we had the best soldiers and we are much more united and organized than you guys. Just look at our empires and look at yours.

[Firdousi]

Dont feel offended. I am not making fun of your city or country , just telling the harsh and depressing reality, i have been to your country and i know a great deal about it from the mouths of others who have worked there.

Keep playing good cricket

I don't feel offended at all but seems to be a waste of time talking with you. No offense intended but its kind frustrating how many Pashtuns like yourself can not be more "friendly" when it comes to Tajiks. We are all countrymen and we should love each other, not fight. Thats why I give up. I am not a martyr nor I have patience to waste my time.

[Samandri]

Well brother its kinda disturbing that you consider Pashtun and ignorant as synonymous.

You go to Ghor now.. and people remain ignorant and unruly haha. But the Ghorids made some huge contributions to Persian culture and to Islam.

There is no need to be "warriors" or "leaders". Pashtuns are "warriors" and look at yourselves. Brain and not guts is what rules this world. Thats why in Afghanistan Tajiks rule everything and are becoming a solid dominant ruling class while Pashtuns can not even speak their own language. You need to be smart, brother.

BTW I find hilarious how many Pashtuns look down on Tajiks just because we are not warmongers like them. Don't underestimate us brothers: during the civil war we had the best soldiers and we are much more united and organized than you guys. Just look at our empires and look at yours.

My emphasie was on "unruly" bit...since when docile Tajiks have ever been "unruly"?....Historically they always have been denizens, subjugates of either Pashtuns or Turanis.

And Tajiks, as well as Iranians, are not exactly brainy or any thing like that....Iran is quite backward, so is Tajikistan and Tajik areas of Afghanistan.....its just that, Tajiks of Afghanistan and Central Asia have always been subjugates of other ruling classes, they had no choice but to get skills and become artisans etc, to serve their masters better

[Samandri]

Just look at our empires and look at yours.

There is difference between Persians and Tajik-subjugates of Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, the latter is "Dehgan" plowing fields for his Afghan master.

Iranians are free (even though for many centuries, they have been ruled by Turkic dynasties).........Tajiks (Wannabe Iranians) and the genuine Iranians of Iran are not same and equal.

Iranians themselves, in Indian history, were considered degenerates and effeminate.....Read the history of Nawabs of India who migrated from Iran

[Firdousi]

My emphasie was on "unruly" bit...since when docile Tajiks have ever been "unruly"?....Historically they always have been denizens, subjugates of either Pashtuns or Turanis.

And Tajiks, as well as Iranians, are not exactly brainy or any thing like that....Iran is quite backward, so is Tajikistan and Tajik areas of Afghanistan.....its just that, Tajiks of Afghanistan and Central Asia have always been subjugates of other ruling classes, they had no choice but to get skills and become artisans etc, to serve their masters better

Brother, for God sake, use your brain: your "bravery", your "unruly" nature, your "warmongerism",.. has brought you nothing but misery, poverty, death and suffer. Stop this stupid caveman mentality! Pashtun nation needs stability, peace, human rights and brotherhood. There is no difference between you and us. We are countrymen/women. Lets learn to coexist. Lets learn to respect each other. Lets forget about the past, move on and create a country for all of us. If you are not going to stop with this fascist mentality you will suffer. Even more. We non Pashtuns are not unhappy with the current status quo. You Pashtuns are the main victims. Stop it, please. If you want war you will have it. If you choose peace would be better. For all of us. Shoulder by shoulder we must rebuild our country and bring progress to all our people regardless their ethnic or religious background.

Think about it.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Greetings!

Thanks for your good wishes, brother! But I don't care lol.

Enjoy your racial purity. You must be such a successful human being! I wish I was like you! LOL

Please, since you are better than us, just share a picture of yours! I want to see your godlike face!

Why is my picture so relative for you? My ancestors are from Kandahar and Kabul since thousands of years back that is all you need to know!

[tilla_jogian]

Greetings!

I did not say Pakistan is "stuck in 2000". I even dare to say that you are even worse.

You are missing the big picture: back then Pakistan was a regional power. India and Pakistan had almost the same power. Actually thanks to your victory in Afghanistan you even had the upper hand over India. Well look at yourselves now: Pakistan is a failed state, your economical growth is limited to a economic corridor while India is already competing with the rest of superpowers. Terrorist attacks take place on a regular basis. Turmoil in all your provinces. Religious zealots doing sit-in in your capital and blackmailing your government, your country is considered a terrorist state by all your neighbors and almost every other important international player, India has left you behind, even a small and weak country as Afghanistan is able to hurt you.

You are completely isolated. Your own proxy forces are bitting you. And there is no one else to blame than yourselves. I am doing some valid points. Its the harsh truth!

You have wrong idea about Pakistan past, India was always ahead if looked overall. Pakistan is still regional power, what ever it means. I already told you about 70-80% decrease in terrorism since 2013 but you're still going on about it.

lol Pakistan is not isolated, it was for brief time through 90's because of nuclear sanctions but those days are long over thanks to USA needing Pakistan after 2001.

There was huge increase in development and GDP growth after 2001 when sanctions were lifted, so much that power infrastructure collapsed. But still Pakistan is growing near 5%, more then Afghanistan. And things will only get better in couple of years.

Imagine this, Afghanistan GDP is just $20 billion and still growing at snail pace. Any middle sized city in Pakistan have higher GDP then combined Afghanistan. Think this for a moment, you're educated Herati after all. Seem like Heratis are like sheikh and memons in Pakistan, traders since many centuries.

[Firdousi]

You have wrong idea about Pakistan past, India was always ahead if looked overall. Pakistan is still regional power, what ever it means. I already told you about 70-80% decrease in terrorism since 2013 but you're still going on about it.

lol Pakistan is not isolated, it was for brief time through 90's because of nuclear sanctions but those days are long over thanks to USA needing Pakistan after 2001.

There was huge increase in development and GDP growth after 2001 when sanctions were lifted, so much that power infrastructure collapsed. But still Pakistan is growing near 5%, more then Afghanistan. And things will only get better in couple of years.

Imagine this, Afghanistan GDP is just $20 billion and still growing at snail pace. Any middle sized city in Pakistan have higher GDP then combined Afghanistan. Think this for a moment, you're educated Herati after all. Seem like Heratis are like sheikh and memons in Pakistan, traders since many centuries.

Brother I told you: just like India is ahead of Pakistan Pakistan is ahead of Afghanistan. This is not a competition. Its a fact. You got a stronger army, a stronger economy and stronger civilian institutions. But right now your position is weak. Much weaker than you expect. An alliance between Iran, Afghanistan and India is growing stronger and bigger. And its aimed against your country. You are completely sandwiched between hostile elements. You know this is true.

Don't get me wrong brother: I don't hate Pakistan. I am just against your evil "good and bad Taliban policy". I know we did huge mistakes few decades ago. I take the part of responsibility for our own mistakes and faults. I am not an Afghan nationalist so I don't care about Loy Afghanistan (I consider Peshawar and Quetta part of Afghanistan but its pretty obvious most of Pathans don't give a **** about Afghanistan so why should I care about them?). Nor I am a racist so I don't care about your darker skins. I just want all of us to coexist. Or at least try it.

[Samandri]

Brother, for God sake, use your brain: your "bravery", your "unruly" nature, your "warmongerism",.. has brought you nothing but misery, poverty, death and suffer. Stop this stupid caveman mentality! Pashtun nation needs stability, peace, human rights and brotherhood. There is no difference between you and us. We are countrymen/women. Lets learn to coexist. Lets learn to respect each other. Lets forget about the past, move on and create a country for all of us. If you are not going to stop with this fascist mentality you will suffer. Even more. We non Pashtuns are not unhappy with the current status quo. You Pashtuns are the main victims. Stop it, please. If you want war you will have it. If you choose peace would be better. For all of us. Shoulder by shoulder we must rebuild our country and bring progress to all our people regardless their ethnic or religious background.

Think about it.

I am a Pakistani, why i need to learn to co-exist with you?.

[tilla_jogian]

Brother I told you: just like India is ahead of Pakistan Pakistan is ahead of Afghanistan. This is not a competition. Its a fact. You got a stronger army, a stronger economy and stronger civilian institutions. But right now your position is weak. Much weaker than you expect. An alliance between Iran, Afghanistan and India is growing stronger and bigger. And its aimed against your country. You are completely sandwiched between hostile elements. You know this is true.

Don't get me wrong brother: I don't hate Pakistan. I am just against your evil "good and bad Taliban policy". I know we did huge mistakes few decades ago. I take the part of responsibility for our own mistakes and faults. I am not an Afghan nationalist so I don't care about Loy Afghanistan (I consider Peshawar and Quetta part of Afghanistan but its pretty obvious most of Pathans don't give a **** about Afghanistan so why should I care about them?). Nor I am a racist so I don't care about your darker skins. I just want all of us to coexist. Or at least try it.

India isn't ahead of Pakistan on per person basis, if anything in many indicators Pakistan is ahead of of India. Poverty for one according to WB, UN etc

But average Pakistani is for sure way ahead of average afghani, including those upper class Heratis. You started with racist post but quickly changed your stance after I replied in same manner

[Firdousi]

India isn't ahead of Pakistan on per person basis, if anything in many indicators Pakistan is ahead of of India. Poverty for one according to WB, UN etc

But average Pakistani is for sure way ahead of average afghani, including those upper class Heratis. You started with racist post but quickly changed your stance after I replied in same manner

I did not start with racism. I pointed out a fact. I still maintain what I said before: many Pakistanis suffer from inferiority complex. This is not racism. This is a fact. Thats why you go crazy when someone claims you are low caste Hindus forced to betray your religion and your motherland India. Is this racism? I don't think so lol