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    The Pashtun nationalists (at least those who claimed to be Pashtuns (but not being able to present anything pashtunic) just to use these people for their personal purposes and interests) always tried either to Pashtunize Afghanistan, a failed policy with a lot of damages to Pashtuns themselves, to their identity and language, or to unite Afghanistan with a freed Pashtun region aparted from Pakistan´s physical and physical existence, which also failed and hit the Pashtuns´ back even harder. This Pashtun nationalism created among the two largest Pashtun confedrations - the Ghiljis and the Duranais - a competition for power and influence. While the Duranais kept the Ghiljis with money, mullahs, lobbies in western countries and the support of Tajiks at bay not to become a threat to power, despite the fact that only one family have 'ruled' with the support of western elements and only one tribe of this confederancy enjoyed alot of privilege, the Ghiljis tried to get power by forcing a social and political change in Afghanistan via communism and foreign elements, hiding their idea of Pashtun nationalism behind the new ideologies. This as well led to a huge damage to Pashtuns on both sides of the border. This policy even empowered traditionally oppressed ethnics - Hazaras and Uzbeks - to become part of the social elitists and demand more rights and equal rights. The peak of this policy was reached, when Babrak Karmal, a Tajik nationalist and president of socialist Afghanistan destroyed political the whole idea of Pashtun nationalism, made for the first time an ethnic Hazara to his first vice President above a Pashtun (assuming that this ethnic makes the largest part of the population) and cooperated some Pashtuns from North and Kabul valley into his government. This move fueled a deadly physical and political war between Khalq and Parcham fraction also originally cooperated with eachother under the same visions and ideals and having both hands in the killing the last dictator of Afghanistan, ironically the first highest ranking official and a confident communist of a state - Mohammad Dawood Khan Yahya.

    While Khalq was made mostly by Ghilji Pashtun nationalists from rural background coming mostly from eastern Afghanistan, unrelated with national politics and urbanized culture, behaving stubborn not to accept that the country has more to offer than Pashtun culture and Afghan [stan] as name, the Parcham was dominated by educated Tajik socialists and nationalists from urbanized background forming for generations the elitists of the country, followed by Uzbeks (the former oppressed people who saw in socialism more freedom and opportunities) and some important Persianized Pashtun elements (i.e. Anahita ''Ratebzad'', Najibullah Ahmadzai...) and Hazaras. The years of war between these two fractions let the Soviet leadership assuming that it was about Pashtun vs non-Pashtun and they decided to place a Pashtun at the top of the Parcham and in the government to bring both side on the peace table. Najibullah Ahmadzai, Karmal´s student, was chosen for that job. As a matter of fact, Najibullah himself an Ahmadzai Pashtun and a Ghilji, knew the power of the Persian-speaking Parchamis and he tried to use this power to realize the Ghilji dream of ruling Afghanistan. In later years his closes friends and officials, including Khad officers and army Generals will find out that Najibullah was cooperating with Gulbuddin since the late of the 80s and one of his middle-men was Sulaiman Layeq, a Pashtun ultra-nationalist, to attack government forces and Parchami officials, as well other opponent forces (Shoray Nezar and Jamiat Islami), while at the same time he was using government militias (Uzbeks) to smash down rural uprisings against him in Pashtun dominated regions. Those Generals and officials close to him left Najibullah and either joined the opponent forces or left the country. Najibullah have lost the control and when the message of his cooperation with the enemy arrived in Moskaw, the Kreml decided to stop supplies and support for the last remnants of his government and to leave him alone in Kabul. Losing the government and the control of government militias, it led in northern Afghanistan to a war against Pashtuns by former loyalists like Dostom. Hundred thousands of Pashtuns were displaced and more people left the country for Pakistan and West where their new generations will suffer from identity crisis and impotence/powerlessness/helplessness, including being assimilated into the foreign elements of their new homelands.

    Years after the civil war between the different political fractions, Najibullah Ahmadzai saw a light in the form of Taliban. He thought that the Taliban ,,are Pashtuns like me, they won´t kill me, but Massoud, the Tajik, will kill me''. There is a book written by former UN official and Ambassador to Afghanistan Peter Tomsen, a close friend of Najib then, visiting him 2 to 3 times a week in Kabul, I would to recomment to read it. It is called:
    ,,The Wars of Afghanistan: Messianic Terrorism, Tribal Conflicts, and the Failures of Great Powers''
    The Taliban were indeed Pashtun nationalists but their failure was that they were depending from Pakistan, the Pathans and other foreign supporters. That made the group unlegitimated to Afghanistan. The Taliban era radicalized and nationalized the society in Afghanistan even more and oppressed ethnics like Hazaras started to demand as well more, more than they deserve. After 2001 a new era for Afghanistan took place. Taliban were defeated by their opponents and former allies (USA) and at the same time the non-Pashtun nationalism rose. Now, Pashtun nationalism in the form of technocrates and non-Pashtun nationalism in the form of former ''Northern Alliance'' and a social positioning against Taliban dominated the landscape. The Pashtun technocrates after years in Exil still dreaming about Pashtun domination of Afghanistan at one hand, critizing Pakistan on the other hand that its national nationalism oppresses Pashtuns on the other hand, led to support Taliban on both sides against non-Pashtun domination and the Panjabis, not recognizing Taliban as a terrorist network, instead calling them 'brothers' and 'politicall opponents'. Years of fighting in the south and north, northern power brokers and western ''allies'' took advantages from Taliban. As long Taliban exists, power brokers and monopolists will be able to play with the fear of the people, enrichring themselves, killing under the name of Taliban many civilians and keeping their political positions and monopols while at the same time the foreign powers can use the Taliban as an excuse to built their bases in the region to keep out Russia, India, China from the last resources.

    Some years later, former army Generals and Think That officials and security advisers planning another conspiracy. They want to change the borders of the Middle East and Central Asia. One of this plans will be to cristalize out Baluchistan from Pakistan and the formation of a Pashtunistan in southern Afghanistan, mostly Helmand and Kandahar, with some exception areas (f.ex. Kandahar city) which will be under the protectocrat of the US army and Kabul. The Taliban will be given full hand to build a new government of their own in the south under their own concept of law and judicative organs. Eastern Afghanistan will be given unofficially to Pakistan where Pakistan will have forces fighting for her a proxy war in the region and at the same time ISIS will fight Taliban and Taliban will fight ISIS. By this, Pakistan will make sure a civil war between Pashtuns in Afghanistan will resolve all their problems and national needs. In 'Pashtunistan', Pashtu and Arabic and maybe Urdu as the language of neo-islamic movement of the Taliban will serve as the language of the people. It wiill be clear that Pashtunistan will be just another territory for Pakistan to rule through its forces under the mask of Pashtun nationalism. It once worked (1994-1999) and it will works again as it already does.

    By creating refugees in eastern Afghanistan and in 'Pashtunistan' they will be able to take over Konar and Khost province, over Nangarhar province
    by military operations against ''terrorists attacking Pakistani soil''), over the economy of the region, of the local cultures and will re-write them (Pakistanisation). Already, in several parts of eastern Afghanistan Pakistani schools have opened, local people get money and visa from Pakistan, in many parts of this region (i.e. Jalalabad) the Pakistani rupee is dominating the market. Pakistani agents are running businesses and have infiltrated security organs and government institutions, the whole landscape is turning into a Pakistani-look-a-like area by building by Pakistani architecture influenced buildings, homes and parks. The local culture is hardly attacked by Pakistani media and entertainment industry which includes Indian and Pakistani movies, series and sport. Once you resemble your enemies, you won´t be anymore an enemy to him. You will change slowly your position. At the end of the day, Pashtun nationalism will be a Pakistan controlled 'Pashtunistan' and a Pakistan controlled Loy Paktika/Paktiya forcing hundred thousands of people to leave their regions and move to Pakistan herself or to the west. A war for political power is already ongoing in Afghanistan. In Northern Afghanistan, Ghani´s vide-President Dostum turned back to the old Dostum and old oppressor...



  • #2
    Well arent you a sunshine LOL

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    • #3
      source?
      Best post in PF history
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      ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
        source?
        This is just a rant of retarded ethnocentrist. No source here.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
          source?
          For what do you need a source? You are a Paki, naturally unaware of non-Pakistani history ...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
            This is just a rant of retarded ethnocentrist. No source here.
            Which part was ethnocentric? It seems for me that you are suffering from that ID crisis I wrote about and now can´t accept the truth.

            Just one simple question. Who started this war Pakistan vs Afghanistan? Wasn´t Mohammad Dawood Khan the source of all these misery? Haven´t he supported Baluch insurgents and seperatists, arming and training them within Afghanistan? Haven´t he sent thousands of soldiers to Pakistan where they got killed in Bajaur? You all comments on every thread stinks like brown nut, you countryless fascist. Someone who has no country and won´t have anymore a country in future, shouldn´t be a fascist. Better you find for yourself an ID and settle somewhere on this earth for the rest of your meaningless and absurd life. Enjoy!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zaadgaan Kabul View Post
              For what do you need a source? You are a Paki, naturally unaware of non-Pakistani history ...
              You are weird afghani, at the end of the day typical ethnocentrist while blaming others for same thing.

              "The Taliban era radicalized and nationalized the society in Afghanistan even more and oppressed ethnics like Hazaras started to demand as well more, more than they deserve"

              More then they deserve? Seem like in your ideal Afghanistan Uzbeks and Hazaras will not have place either.
              Best post in PF history
              [I]
              ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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              • #8
                The only way we will see peace in Afghanistan is by conducting a referrendum in Pashtun areas of Pakistan about Durand Line. If the Pashtuns of Pakistan recognise the Durand Line and want to remain part of Pakistan then the Afghan government must recognise this. I have no doubt Pakistani Pashtuns except a few nationalist parties will recognise the Durand Line as an international border and will choose to remain as part of Pakistan. The government of Afghanistan should respect the right of Pashtuns in Pakistan and give up on the dream of Loy Afghanistan at least for now. The pashtun lands in Pakistan neither belong to the central government of Afghanistan nor Pakistan, the land belongs to people who live there.
                This will give the ISI and Pakistani government peace of mind and not interfere in Afghanistan due to constant paranoia about Pashtunistan issue on their western border. This will benifit Afghanistan economically as Pakistan will stop using the acess to Karachi and Gawader ports as bargaining chips whenever there is a stand off between the two countries. Afghanistan is also using the Iranian sea port in Chabahar but Iranians are also not 100% reliable due to the water disputes with Afghanistan and the policy of exporting Shiaism everywhere.
                Reconizing the Durand Line as an international border (with the permission of pashtuns in Pakistan) doesn't mean Pashtuns will become seperate and grow distant from each other, maybe they will become closer as the Pakistani governement will be less suspicious and allow more cultural exchange between the the Pashtuns of both sides and more trade which can only mean stronger bonds between pashtuns on both sides.
                Pashtuns have been part of many empires in the past but we haven't dissappeared, we will survive the current colonial imposed borders as well. In the meantime we must focus on education, economic prosperity, cultural exchanges, common vision etc on both sides and when the time is right and God willing there will be a homeland for Pashtuns where the survival of our language and pashtunwali will be insured.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
                  source?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zaadgaan Kabul View Post
                    Which part was ethnocentric? It seems for me that you are suffering from that ID crisis I wrote about and now can´t accept the truth.

                    Just one simple question. Who started this war Pakistan vs Afghanistan? Wasn´t Mohammad Dawood Khan the source of all these misery? Haven´t he supported Baluch insurgents and seperatists, arming and training them within Afghanistan? Haven´t he sent thousands of soldiers to Pakistan where they got killed in Bajaur? You all comments on every thread stinks like brown nut, you countryless fascist. Someone who has no country and won´t have anymore a country in future, shouldn´t be a fascist. Better you find for yourself an ID and settle somewhere on this earth for the rest of your meaningless and absurd life. Enjoy!
                    How retarded are you? I am from Khost my country is Afghanistan, I was born there and will die there. Where is your country? Where is your khorassan that you dream off? My country at least excist and will be there many years, unlike yours who is just a fantasy of an ethnocentrist troll. Tajiks have the bigest ID crisis of them all. Claiming to be persian when no Persian recognize you as such. Speaking farsi a language that came from iran, in Afghanistan you were under Pashtun rule, no Tajik elite excisted like you dream about. In Tajikistan you were under Russian rule, where you even use till this day Russian writings. You are a mix of Turks mongols and persians, have no own culture, no language or country that you ruled.
                    Please have a reality check.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shapur View Post
                      The only way we will see peace in Afghanistan is by conducting a referrendum in Pashtun areas of Pakistan about Durand Line. If the Pashtuns of Pakistan recognise the Durand Line and want to remain part of Pakistan then the Afghan government must recognise this. I have no doubt Pakistani Pashtuns except a few nationalist parties will recognise the Durand Line as an international border and will choose to remain as part of Pakistan. The government of Afghanistan should respect the right of Pashtuns in Pakistan and give up on the dream of Loy Afghanistan at least for now. The pashtun lands in Pakistan neither belong to the central government of Afghanistan nor Pakistan, the land belongs to people who live there.
                      This will give the ISI and Pakistani government peace of mind and not interfere in Afghanistan due to constant paranoia about Pashtunistan issue on their western border. This will benifit Afghanistan economically as Pakistan will stop using the acess to Karachi and Gawader ports as bargaining chips whenever there is a stand off between the two countries. Afghanistan is also using the Iranian sea port in Chabahar but Iranians are also not 100% reliable due to the water disputes with Afghanistan and the policy of exporting Shiaism everywhere.
                      Reconizing the Durand Line as an international border (with the permission of pashtuns in Pakistan) doesn't mean Pashtuns will become seperate and grow distant from each other, maybe they will become closer as the Pakistani governement will be less suspicious and allow more cultural exchange between the the Pashtuns of both sides and more trade which can only mean stronger bonds between pashtuns on both sides.
                      Pashtuns have been part of many empires in the past but we haven't dissappeared, we will survive the current colonial imposed borders as well. In the meantime we must focus on education, economic prosperity, cultural exchanges, common vision etc on both sides and when the time is right and God willing there will be a homeland for Pashtuns where the survival of our language and pashtunwali will be insured.
                      If it was this simple Pakistan had organized that referundum a long time ago. But either Pakistan never wanted any peace and used the duran line as an excuse to intervene in Afghanistan or they know if such referendum will take place Pashtun will choose to ditch the border. Either way both outcomes are not what Pakistan wants. And I think its kind of naive to think that Pakistan will come around and stop with exporting extremism and terrorism by just recognizing the Durrand line.
                      So which one of them is it?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tilla_jogian View Post
                        You are weird afghani, at the end of the day typical ethnocentrist while blaming others for same thing.

                        "The Taliban era radicalized and nationalized the society in Afghanistan even more and oppressed ethnics like Hazaras started to demand as well more, more than they deserve"

                        More then they deserve? Seem like in your ideal Afghanistan Uzbeks and Hazaras will not have place either.
                        Isn´t this what Pashtun nationalists and government officials always say in Afghanistan? Oh, I've forgotten, you are from Pakistan ... So I think in Pakistan Pathans are the Hazaras...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                          How retarded are you? I am from Khost my country is Afghanistan, I was born there and will die there. Where is your country? Where is your khorassan that you dream off? My country at least excist and will be there many years, unlike yours who is just a fantasy of an ethnocentrist troll. Tajiks have the bigest ID crisis of them all. Claiming to be persian when no Persian recognize you as such. Speaking farsi a language that came from iran, in Afghanistan you were under Pashtun rule, no Tajik elite excisted like you dream about. In Tajikistan you were under Russian rule, where you even use till this day Russian writings. You are a mix of Turks mongols and persians, have no own culture, no language or country that you ruled.
                          Please have a reality check.
                          Where something like this 'Khorasan' was mentioned by me in any of my posts? Now you should ask yourself if your ar*s is not burning, who is the retarded one? Your country is Afghanistan and you will die there? Then what are you doing in northern Europe? What don´t you go to Afghanistan securing the otherside of your shanty´s door? I won´t go deep into discussion with you about the rest of your sargin/pishql product/logic. What Pashtun rule? When? Where? :D Dude, you should examine your whole history ... my little tailed jewish-turkic-Indian-rajput-arab inbreed priend lol

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zaadgaan Kabul View Post
                            Where something like this 'Khorasan' was mentioned by me in any of my posts? Now you should ask yourself if your ar*s is not burning, who is the retarded one? Your country is Afghanistan and you will die there? Then what are you doing in northern Europe? What don´t you go to Afghanistan securing the otherside of your shanty´s door? I won´t go deep into discussion with you about the rest of your sargin/pishql product/logic. What Pashtun rule? When? Where? :D Dude, you should examine your whole history ... my little tailed jewish-turkic-Indian-rajput-arab inbreed priend lol
                            hahaha, dirty tajik is angry. You were always slave and will die as slaves dreaming of your khorassan what will never come.

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                            • #15
                              Let face reality:

                              The security adviser of Ghani, Hanif Atmar, ordered the withdraw of army and police officers with non-Pashtun background to withdraw from south and east... to make south and east again a hub for Pakistani and home-made terrorists .. ISIS and all kind of creatures are coming for your, Khostay priend! I think your little ethno-fascist mentality doesn´t understand the point. Pashtuns are going to become a common target from all compass point .. from north, west, south and east because of the failed calculation of your fascist representatives and british-pakistani spies (i.e Ghani, Atmar and the rest of the Taliban friendly rings in the presidential palace). Have you seen the video of Dostum men raping Pashtun civilians in Faryaab just view weeks ago when Dostom declared military operation and action on Taliban there? Even small children were touched!

                              US-Pakistan-Karzai (who got cheated by all sides) deal for post 2014 Afghanistan, particularely for Pashtun regions of Afghanistan


                              Lawmakers and tribal leaders have opposed handing over certain contested regions in southern Afghanistan to the Taliban to facilitate their participation in peace talks with the Afghan government.






                              Eleven-year-old Yahya's parents sold him to people-smugglers in Afghanistan for around $10,000. His captors then turned him over to the Taliban, who trained him to be a suicide bomber. Yahya had the...


                              Wasn´t all this just a process to hand over parts of Afghanistan to Taliban to stop the so-called ''Generation killing'' by the evil evil evil remnants of the evil evil evil 'Northern Alliance'?



                              Just remember this and you will understand abit more than your pseudo anti-Tajik BS https://www.facebook.com/afghanistan...type=3&theater

                              :D

                              So tell me, which country? Are you talking about that future pseudo governments of Taliban in the south, the pseudo government of savage Waziristanis and Haqqanis in eastern Afghanistan sharing parts of it with ISIS? Or are you talking about the real plan behind this, the idea of 'Loy Pakistan' ? Better you start already cooking Daal lol

                              Ps: if you can not stay honest and serious in a discussion or debate without bringing your alldays pseudo fascism, keep away from my posts!

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