Afghan forces retake northern district from Taliban

[khushal]

Seems Paki daal does better job than anything Russia can produce at the end. Or it might be something inherent about Talibs?

Its something inherit about greedy warlords who lust after a bacha and abuse their people. Its that system that does not work. Tajiks and Hazaras might fall for them since they don't have a gun culture but a culturally armed tribal society will show resistance to it.

[tilla_jogian]

@Zangandu Kabuli I never said anything about panjabis, not everything is decided by panjabis in Pakistan. And I don't know what linguistic connection panjabis have with Tajiks, average panjabi probably never met single tajik in their life. Remind me of Iranians on defence forums trying to convince Pakis to support Iran over Saudi Arabia because of some linguistic and cultural connection. Not going to happen bro.

[Al-Afghani]

That's nonsense. NA cant fight, most of the fighting on their behalf is done by Americans. While it is no secrete about American military presence, no one has produced any paki military on Afghan soil. The fighting is done by Afghans themselves. You guys labeling the Afghan insurgents as Paki is a Tajik propaganda tactic to fool morons like yourself into accepting Tajik and Hazara domination. While your making money off of the occupation, your people are dying by that said tactic that you support and spread.

This is a mischaracterization of TajikUzbekHazara talking points. They are saying the Taliban leadership is controlled or at the least heavily infiltrated by the ISI, which is undeniably true. The average person on the street might say: Taliban footsoldiers are Punjabis, but that is indeed propaganda.

The same way that people in Lebanon call Hezbollah Iranian, that doesn't mean the hezbollah grunt is a Persian in disguise. But their leadership is selected, appointed, influenced, financed by the IRGC.

[marwat]

That's nonsense. NA cant fight, most of the fighting on their behalf is done by Americans. While it is no secrete about American military presence, no one has produced any paki military on Afghan soil. The fighting is done by Afghans themselves. You guys labeling the Afghan insurgents as Paki is a Tajik propaganda tactic to fool morons like yourself into accepting Tajik and Hazara domination. While your making money off of the occupation, your people are dying by that said tactic that you support and spread.

you peace of **** should understand that talib without the morale, logistic and financial support of pakistan establishment would not put up even 10 percent of the fight they are putting now. they would be easily rounded up to helmand only without pakistan support.
now we don't say that talib fought for pakistan or pakistan have their man in their rehbri shura, but no one can deny the amount of soft and hard influence pakistan got on them either talib like it or not but the fact is pakistan can push them any time for peace talk, can stop it any time. they can make the Qatar office irrelevant any time, they can arrest or kill the talib who don't want to dance to their tunes. in past they have arrested all those talib who tried to contact government directly.
fact is talib is a good fighter and have the capability to roll over not on afghanistan but pakistan and all the car countries, but they are bad at diplomacy, they are now clueless as how to say No to pakistan and at the same time that No should have no effect on their capabilities on ground.
you only become a fool when you continuously fall for the same ****. accept it talib is a fool. they let pakistan wasting everything they sacrificed twice.
as far as i know the environment is not good for taliban to sit in peace talks now, there are deep fracture visible inside their leadership but pakistan is pushing them to peace talks and that too without the qatar office means pakistan is dividing taliban on purpose.

read here the

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1025072/taliban-toughen-stance-on-peace-talks-ahead-of-quadrilateral-meeting/

and here

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=48720

[marwat]

This is a mischaracterization of TajikUzbekHazara talking points. They are saying the Taliban leadership is controlled or at the least heavily infiltrated by the ISI, which is undeniably true. The average person on the street might say: Taliban footsoldiers are Punjabis, but that is indeed propaganda.

The same way that people in Lebanon call Hezbollah Iranian, that doesn't mean the hezbollah grunt is a Persian in disguise. But their leadership is selected, appointed, influenced, financed by the IRGC.

actually support of talib is a short term solution for pakistan, they are supporting talib to make Afg administration bow to their terms. and to make them distanced from TTP. that all , they are happy with a week kabul administration who can do nothing but can only show their teeth. on the other hand a weak talib if came to power is a threat to pakistan integrity, not only will they seek revenge but will highly collaborate with TTP. Afg talib have too much influence in pakistan and people have soft corner for them. especially conservative pashtun sees them as commander of the faithful and will always blow his ass with suicide vest if commander of the faithful ordered him to do so.

[khushal]

you peace of **** should understand that talib without the morale, logistic and financial support of pakistan establishment would not put up even 10 percent of the fight they are putting now. they would be easily rounded up to helmand only without pakistan support.
now we don't say that talib fought for pakistan or pakistan have their man in their rehbri shura, but no one can deny the amount of soft and hard influence pakistan got on them either talib like it or not but the fact is pakistan can push them any time for peace talk, can stop it any time. they can make the Qatar office irrelevant any time, they can arrest or kill the talib who don't want to dance to their tunes. in past they have arrested all those talib who tried to contact government directly.
fact is talib is a good fighter and have the capability to roll over not on afghanistan but pakistan and all the car countries, but they are bad at diplomacy, they are now clueless as how to say No to pakistan and at the same time that No should have no effect on their capabilities on ground.
you only become a fool when you continuously fall for the same ****. accept it talib is a fool. they let pakistan wasting everything they sacrificed twice.
as far as i know the environment is not good for taliban to sit in peace talks now, there are deep fracture visible inside their leadership but pakistan is pushing them to peace talks and that too without the qatar office means pakistan is dividing taliban on purpose.

read here the
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1025072/...teral-meeting/
and here
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=48720

Ghula,
First you should learn the difference between piece and peace.
Second these peace talks are as old as when Daud tried to have peace talks with Hekmatyar/Masoud/Rabani factions when the latter were weak at the time and foreign interference(ie Soviet invasion) made them stronger.
The insurgency is not centralized so no one can bring all the factions together to an agreement. You spinning this into a paki dividing scheme just shows how incompetent you are. Without a unifying figure like Omar, its a repeat of the early 90's.
What you fail to understand is that the insurgent that fights on the ground isn't fighting because the Taliban leaders are telling them to do so or ISI is forcing them to do so. You have complex local rivalries between tribes and clans, between local drug dealers and extortion gangs. Gov officials and security forces coming in between these rivalries or siding with one over the other makes them a target. Your gov is ruthlessly corrupt who abuse their people and the people hunger for something simple and just that is why they are turning to the mullah:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=48718

[khushal]

This is a mischaracterization of TajikUzbekHazara talking points. They are saying the Taliban leadership is controlled or at the least heavily infiltrated by the ISI, which is undeniably true. The average person on the street might say: Taliban footsoldiers are Punjabis, but that is indeed propaganda.

The same way that people in Lebanon call Hezbollah Iranian, that doesn't mean the hezbollah grunt is a Persian in disguise. But their leadership is selected, appointed, influenced, financed by the IRGC.

Uncentralized insurgencies can never be controlled which is why pakistan has their own insurgency problems and label them as RAW agents. You and the pakis are playing the same game which is to deflect the peoples anger from yourself and your failed abusive policies and blame everything on your rival. The pakis use RAW and you use ISI. The paki elites have one advantage over you guys and that is that they have an advanced media infrastructure they can use to manipulate their people while you do not.

Your lying about the tajik tactic of labeling every insurgent a paki since the kabul media is full of such reports. here is one of hundreds of baseless reports with no evidence:

http://archive.pajhwok.com/en/2014/08/06/punjabi-militants-leading-sangin-battle

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/03/10/panjabi-chechen-fighters-sneak-batikot

The average person on the street that believe your bullshyt about every insurgent being a paki have been influenced by the Kabul media. It seems like you are good students of the pakis learning manipulation.

[Zaadgaan Kabul]

Z Kabul,

Ignore this fetid lamp of daal.

I have a few questions for you.

1- How capable do you think the local irregular armed groups/warlords are in north in dealing with the Talibs?

2- How would you evaluate Dostum's foray's into some provinces in north? In my view it has achieved next to nothing except emboldening talibs, in essence was counterproductive. Back to my previous question, I doubt these forces can match the ANSF in fighting capabilities when it comes to confronting talibs. I doubt you could fight talibs who are fighting a non-pecuniary and ideological war with a bunch of ill-disciplined warlords who fights for spoil and lust for a bacha.

3- Mir Alam and co have been time and again defeated by talibs fair and square. Around 300 of his men hands down and pathetically surrendered to Talibs around the bala i hesar area when the captured kondoz.

4- Mir Alam is also a sworn enemy of Hizb in Kondoz,to my knowledge the current Kondoz governor is Juma Khan Hamdard's close ally, Jamiat's main rival in north in addition to Dostum. what is your take on this?

5- Why is Ghani not allowing operations against talibs wherever they might be?

6- Last but not least, how do look at the recent contacts between talibs and Russia good old friend of certain factions?

Please plea to your friends on my behalf to not show any mercy to Talibs.

1. I think they are very capable to deal with Taliban and Isis in northern Afghanistan. Ghani once wanted to imprison and to weaken all of them in favour of his ethnic fellows and ethnicity in northern Afghanistan and he failed. Let´s just take a look to some provinces.

- Baghlan is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration
- Kapisa is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration
- Panjshir is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration
- Parwan is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration
- Takhar is fallen to former hardcore Mujaheddin and power broker administration with Dr. Zia as the new governeur
- Sar Pol is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration with Dr. Wahdat, Noor Mohammad Atta´s man.
- Kondoz is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration with Dr. Danesh as governeur
- Badghis is fallen to former Mujaheddin and power broker administration
- Kabul is again driving into thugish Panjshiri´s grip with Dr. Akram as governeur and the old Qanuni/Fahim network

Why these provinces and warlords/power brokers are capable to fight Taliban to death? Because they kill Taliban for the last 15 years. Majority of soldiers and police or ''militias'' in their regions belonging to their people hailing from their villages, districts and province. In th regular security forces they already dominate the all ranks and most important the officer corps. As long they prove themselves capable as governeurs serving the people, the people will be ready to back them. Just look back to some months ago when some thiefs were there responsible for the provinces. Under Safi, Kondoz was gifted and lifted to Taliban. No one should deny that many government officials are supporting Taliban and even ISIS. Transfering them from border regions by nights with helicopters to northern Afghanistan or how you want to explain that Pakis and foreigners appearing everytime in northern Afghanistan without being recognized by police, soldiers or NDS? It´s not a secret that the british agent Hanif Atmar has hands in it, so Stanikzai, Ghani and some other people. How did Gulab Mangal sell Baghlan´s one important district to Taliban? Just two weeks later 5000 foreigners attacked Kondoz and even infiltrated the city. How could this be possible? All those responsible ones fled. But now everything turns to become normal and calm with the new administration. Day by day in all those mentioned provinces Taliban get killed and district cleansed. The so-called DDR-Program which was promoted to disarm forces and to destroy all heavy weapons, tanks, armors and even those three old jets was from the earliest day trying to build a balance between Taliban and anti-Taliban forces by giving the weak Taliban via Pakistan heavy armors, air support, money and training while our boys got light weaponary and helicopters and ''Jets'' from the 60s and 70s. It´s a joke and our stupid uneducated people don´t realize it. Still, our boys are doing well. I hope you remember that Atmar and Ghani haven´t allowed military operation in Kondoz. So who did the job? Some commando forces and those local militias. As long Jewish zionist puppet Ghani and those british agents like Gulab Mangal and Hanif Atmar or the Pakistani puppet Stanikzai have some key positions, in future we will have a bloody war but people slowly realize that if they want to be succesful, they must to act independently. Not waiting until Ghani or the ISIS-friend Atmar allow the forces to operate against terrorist which will never happen. Currently, we realize that a network reformation is taking place in northern Afghanistan. But it´s not only about north but also west and south west where former warlords and power broker getting again stronger. The evil Sayyaf has announced his new party where many warlords are part of it and he will do anything he can to get power.

2. Dostom is a poor uneducated guy surrounded by sheep like himself. All his shows about fighting Taliban are intending to create a 'champion', a fake champion. Most Taliban his guys claim being killed by Dostom´s men are his own men pretending to be Taliban. Just remember Darzab where 500 ''Taliban'' joined Dostum in July? 2015. In Faryab province there are real fighters and there are fighters of Dostum. Not even one year ago Dostum had around 5000 active men. Today this crazy man have around 300 men. Many of his fighters fled, got killed, blown up, transfered to other regions by gov. Officially, he is still the 1st VP but inofficially he is replaced by Zia Massoud. I still wonder how Ghani could think that he may use Dostom against Tajik leaders to create problems not realizing that Dostum failed in the past many times to service his masters (Najib, Taliban, ISI and Gulbuddin (Shoray Hamajangi), Taliban, Karzai and now Ghani). Dostom belongs into prison. 1. He is an agent of Turkey, promoting Turkish nationalism in Afghanistan 2. he and his men are still harazing poor people 3. they do not allow in their regions different political opinions 4. he is a rapist, so his fellows. A former Turkish secret service member revealed in 2009 that Dostom and his men raped Zaki, his party´s adviser when Zaki wanted to turn his back to Junbesh and to create an new party for Uzbeks, an alternative party.

Who the hell cares if those warlords have bachas? Most bachas belonging to their enemy sides they have captured. For them, having a bacha means to insult the opposite as much as possible. They not only own bachas but also girls and women. Just the bacha story gets better
commercialized. The Taliban have their bachas as well. Mostly their new recruites. If this is what makes you worried you should speak against bacha bazi in the civil society and not because some warlords own bachas.

3. Bala Hissar is no more a fort where 300 militia men can have a place. It´s a checkpoint of 10 to 15 people. Mir Alam is the shadow governeur of all Kondoz. He owns and controls the economy and economic centers. He has 5000 active men and can re-activate around 7000 more men. The different between him and other warlords of the region is that he united Uzbeks, Turkmen, Arabs and Tajiks, plus allied Pashtuns to his forces. However, their situation is the same as those of the army. Lacking of good and supportive elements and heavy weapons. If 700 men of M. Alam and ANSF troops (special forces) are able to push Taliban back to the outlands and deserts of Kondoz it is enough, at least for Mir Alam. That B*** needs the Taliban to keep his power. Otherwise he is just a waste. He is uneducated like Dostom. As long Taliban are there, they make money, have girls and boys, have castles, cars, shops, own gas and oil firms and many more.

4. Do you mean Dr. Danesh? Mr. Danesh isn´t allied with Gulbuddini Hamdard. Tajiks do not serve anymore any Gulbudini. Maybe some in Kapisa province but in the north they don´t. I want you to know that there is Hizb of Gulbuddin and another Hizb distanced himself from Gulbuddin´s party and evil spirituality. The Uzbek Ibrahimi is also a Hizbi yet an enemy of Gulbudinis like Hamdard. Hamdard has no place in Kondoz, not even in his ''home'' province Balkh.

5. Ghani, Khalilzad, Jalali, Atmar ... the pentagon´s and london´s lobbyists for zionists and the US-raeli alliance do not care about Afghanistan. Afghanistan in a mess is good for US-rael. War means billions of Dollars. War means keeping enemies and competitors out of 4 trillion USD Afghanistan. If Ghani allows operation against Taliban he will fail to succed for his masters and

1. Ghilzais will be sidelined again from power
2. Ghani is an ethno-fascist and you should know what ethno-fascists have in mind .. as I mentioned he aimed to tackle Tajiks of the north with Uzbeks by using Dostom and later to smash Dostomis and colonize north
3. giving the Taliban the opportunity to kill as much soldiers and police as possible so the young and healthy generations won´t stay strong anymore to protect their families, districts, villages and provinces. Opening the door for the next Taliban wave. Still Pashtuns will be the main victims of fundamentalism
4. While Taliban became in the last 7 years dominantly Ghilzai, Durani becomes more and more ISIS in the south. Durrani-Ghilzai rivalery
5. he has to please his british and american masters. If you have realized he doesn´t even care about the traditional Pashtun claim on DL

6. Where is the difference between America supporting ISIS and Russia supporting Taliban? Both sides take up the opportunity to use enemies against eachother. Do you remember when in 1992/93 British helicopters with Atmar as adviser were transfering Hizbis to Tajikistan fighting there against the government? Was it good or bad for Tajikistan? Russia will give Taliban new weapons. Better weapons to fight against ISIS. Who will die? Civilians. I clearly can see the future for Afghanistan.

(Picture: young man with white hair from Jawzjan. A militia man of the Sadats, who killed during an ambush against him by Taliban 11 Taliban fighters and injured 4 Taliban badly. He survived and escaped after the attack. A non-Dostomi militia)

[Zaadgaan Kabul]

Uncentralized insurgencies can never be controlled which is why pakistan has their own insurgency problems and label them as RAW agents. You and the pakis are playing the same game which is to deflect the peoples anger from yourself and your failed abusive policies and blame everything on your rival. The pakis use RAW and you use ISI. The paki elites have one advantage over you guys and that is that they have an advanced media infrastructure they can use to manipulate their people while you do not.

Your lying about the tajik tactic of labeling every insurgent a paki since the kabul media is full of such reports. here is one of hundreds of baseless reports with no evidence:
http://archive.pajhwok.com/en/2014/0...-sangin-battle
http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/03/10...-sneak-batikot

The average person on the street that believe your bullshyt about every insurgent being a paki have been influenced by the Kabul media. It seems like you are good students of the pakis learning manipulation.

uncentralized insurgency means killing many generations until the root of insurgency disappear

[tilla_jogian]

"Who the hell cares if those warlords have bachas? Most bachas belonging to their enemy sides they have captured." typical afghani

[Khostai]

"Who the hell cares if those warlords have bachas? Most bachas belonging to their enemy sides they have captured." typical afghani

Typical farsiban you mean. After so many years stalking Afghans on the internet you should know the diffrence now.

[tilla_jogian]

Typical farsiban you mean. After so many years stalking Afghans on the internet you should know the diffrence now.

Why should I single our fariwans when this problem is widespread among afghanis?

[Azmal]

uncentralized insurgency means killing many generations until the root of insurgency disappear

Here we go, the flat headed amu jumpers are having another verbal masturbation. Reminds me how ever single Pashtons in government during Karzi was labeled as Israel/American/Pakistan agent. Lets be honest, you people have deep complex against Pasthons for turning your mothers and sisters into Dahai…as one of my friend in Kabul used to say…Shamaliwals are in Kabul to take revenges of their mother and sisters from Kabulis.
Before you move a head of yourself, the raise of flat headed Amu Jumper warlords have more to do with Roskies then support of people…once again Roskies are after buffer zone..just as they engineer the Jabarul Saraj treated in favor of their agent Massod the goat that lead to deposit of Najib. Let’s be frank, when your Abar Mard e Tarikh, Sapar Salaar of Khorassan Massod the mountain goat in his height of power could not move 5 miles south/east of Kabul river what best you can do?
The sad part is the great game is being played with blood of Afghans and yet we have simpletons like this and paki mule glorifying onside or other.

[Khostai]

Why should I single our fariwans when this problem is widespread among afghanis?

Uhmm I don't know maybe becuase every child rapist in Pashtun society who got caught got killed? You can twist and turn what you want but no where in Afghan Pashtun dominated areas is this acceptable like it is accepted by Farsiban. I will not deny it is not happening, but its condemnd havely and most of the time those people are killed if caught.

But look at this farsiban, he not only admit that this happens he does not even care. So there is a big diffrence. Becuase it is like saying that chiled rape is also Punjabi culture, becuase according to UN numbers a lot of children are abused in Islamabad even by the police. So is that part of Punjabi culture? No its not. It happens but secretly and nobody is pround about that, or ma I wrong?

[Loy Afghanistan]

Uhmm I don't know maybe becuase every child rapist in Pashtun society who got caught got killed? You can twist and turn what you want but no where in Afghan Pashtun dominated areas is this acceptable like it is accepted by Farsiban. I will not deny it is not happening, but its condemnd havely and most of the time those people are killed if caught.

But look at this farsiban, he not only admit that this happens he does not even care. So there is a big diffrence. Becuase it is like saying that chiled rape is also Punjabi culture, becuase according to UN numbers a lot of children are abused in Islamabad even by the police. So is that part of Punjabi culture? No its not. It happens but secretly and nobody is pround about that, or ma I wrong?

It is a fact before the war we had 0.000001 % of these problems. Seriously, paedophilia, open gays, drug abusers and other harami stuff was only been done behind CLOSE and secret doors. If you got caught you were finished. But sadly dumb idiots fooled by both superpowers killed each other but mostly the filthy mujhaheeds/talibs destroyed the whole infrastructur and ancient architects mostly stolen and sold to their British masters trough British created porkistan.