ANP mujra functions

[Samandri]

 
I can’t watch the videos but I know there are videos on the internet where workers and student leaders of political parties are seen in merry making and drinking. I don’t know what do you want to prove from that?


Leaders can’t stop people from joining their parties, anybody whatever his/her ideology is can join a party he wish now holding the head of the party or the party as a whole responsible for the misconduct of such a worker is unjust.

Now spoken like a party spokesperson. You think i am throwing around tantrum?. Any one living in Peshawar and surroundings can tell you that party leaders themselves arrange such functions, they themselves watch mujras and they themselves drink sharab and do it with prostitutes.

Political parties working in Pakhtunkhwa are comprised of the same pakhtuns living there. Watching mujras during wedding and other functions in hujras is a centuries long old practice, even when there was no political party and the people didn’t know about politics. You should blame all the pakhtuns instead than targeting a single political party if you also live in the same society.

Bullshyt. Lame excuse. This mujra is not centuries old practice and part of Pashtun culture. Dont insult your great ancestors, you think Malik Ahmad Mandanr, Gaju Khan Mandanr, Kalu Khan, Bhagu Khan etc were watching mujras and throwing cash at prostitutes?. I know very well which customs and practices are part of Pashtun history, this is not one. Take responsibility of your actions, ANP-wala, the same Jumaati and Tablighi from your Mardan dont indulge in such mujra-ish acts. I will tell you why ANP-walas do this. They think they will appear more secular and liberal by doing this.

Haven’t you seen such mujras in your locality? Isn’t Bachabazi which is a far more dangerous evil prevails in your locality? From Mullah to a Khan and from a teacher to a common pakhtun, aren’t they indulged in it?
It will be good if we criticize and discourage such social evils but one shouldn’t blame a single party or an organization for such evils when he/she is also part of the same society where such evil practices prevail.

Compare actions of some individual with actions of some organization and party which claim to represent the entire region , which deserve my attention?. I am against all kind of social evils and unislamic practices in our areas, but for each one of it, there will be separate discussion. Your logic , that dont attack me , because XYZ also do it, is messed up and fcked up one, it reflects weakness in your morals and principles. I would ignore immorality of some individual, but if it is some party and leaders, who gets elect and make decisions for us, then expect the heat. I dont see PTI doing mujras, debauchery and corruption, the problem lies in your ANP

[Samandri]

Negative. I am a proud Punjabi Chaudhry. And we are religious people, and we do not associate ourselves with filth.
You can ask your friend @history of the pashtuns.

I don't have a complex towards anyone, because either someone is Muslim, or someone is not. I believe in my Allah swt, and only Allah swt can judge anyone. The reason I came on this forum, was to make friends with Pashtuns. You guys are also Muslim, and so I respect you like any other Muslim brother.

Why should he ask me? . All i know is that you are a self-proclaimed Wahabi, thats what you have told us. Yet i dont see you getting along with a real ideological wahabi like Shamlawar. The difference between you two is, that he has the courage and insensitivity to criticize faults and immorals in his own qaum while you get defensive and take offence at it. You are a qaum-parast and watan-parast. Not bad sentiments until it makes you blind about the shortcomings and faults. Why you are making friends with Pashtun people while knowing very well that Pashtuns are of diverse political and ideological backgrounds and temperaments, i mean we are not clones, you cant get along with every one. Just because XYX Pashtuns has said some thing, dont assume ABC Pashtun would also agree with it.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Now spoken like a party spokesperson. You think i am throwing around tantrum?. Any one living in Peshawar and surroundings can tell you that party leaders themselves arrange such functions, they themselves watch mujras and they themselves drink sharab and do it with prostitutes.

As i said anybody can join a party he wish and can raise to a position but its upto people who vote to elect him or vote him out. I myself didn't vote for a relative who is district president as well coz he was corrupt. If any person who is indulged in such activities should be exposed and should be voted out. Thats how politics work politicians are also humans not angels, don't blame the organisation or a party for your personal grounds.

Bullshyt. Lame excuse. This mujra is not centuries old practice and part of Pashtun culture. Dont insult your great ancestors, you think Malik Ahmad Mandanr, Gaju Khan Mandanr, Kalu Khan, Bhagu Khan etc were watching mujras and throwing cash at prostitutes?. I know very well which customs and practices are part of Pashtun history, this is not one. Take responsibility of your actions, ANP-wala, the same Jumaati and Tablighi from your Mardan dont indulge in such mujra-ish acts. I will tell you why ANP-walas do this. They think they will appear more secular and liberal by doing this.

When did i say every pashtun watch or arrange mujras? Neither Malak Ahmad, Gaju khan etc nor Bacha Khan, Wali Khan, Asfandyar or Haider Hoti watched mujras. My point is by posting few videos of the common workers and students you can't blame the whole party or whole leadership. You are a thick headed hater.
Jumat i islami or JUI wala won't do it because their party do politics on the name of Islam and they pretend to be against such activities but you would have never found them working practically against such mujras did you?

I would ignore immorality of some individual, but if it is some party and leaders, who gets elect and make decisions for us, then expect the heat. I dont see PTI doing mujras, debauchery and corruption, the problem lies in your ANP

People join political parties keeping in view their political manifesto not by the personal life of its leaders otherwise Imran Khan wouldn't had that much supporters nor did Zardari. Again i would say at the end its the people who elect them and give them decision powers. Personally i wouldn't vote my own brother or father if he is indulged in such activities but it doesn't mean i would blame the whole party and Bacha Khan, Wali khan for it. That approach is kinda childish and foolish.
Oh, haha so you don't know PTI wala's do mujras, c'mon man, they did it right on the D-Chowk, their are plenty of videos, last week the provincial Minister Jamshed uddin Kaka khel's video became viral on the internet where he is seen drunk watching a mujra. I can provide you a link.

[ANAcommander]

Why should he ask me? . All i know is that you are a self-proclaimed Wahabi, thats what you have told us. Yet i dont see you getting along with a real ideological wahabi like Shamlawar. The difference between you two is, that he has the courage and insensitivity to criticize faults and immorals in his own qaum while you get defensive and take offence at it. You are a qaum-parast and watan-parast. Not bad sentiments until it makes you blind about the shortcomings and faults. Why you are making friends with Pashtun people while knowing very well that Pashtuns are of diverse political and ideological backgrounds and temperaments, i mean we are not clones, you cant get along with every one. Just because XYX Pashtuns has said some thing, dont assume ABC Pashtun would also agree with it.

I don't go around defending Punjabis, and other Pakistanis, that I don't know. I only speak for myself, and my family, and for some of the Afghans to issue a blanket statement about Punjabis, is the only thing that offends me.

Shamlawar and I do share the same beliefs, but the way he goes about it, is the only way we disagree.

I know you are religious, but you are very moderate.

If I want to make friends with Pashtuns, that doesn't mean I want to influence them politically or in terms of religion. I offer my friendship out of Islam, Insaniyat, and that I admire certain traits of the Pashtun people, while at the same time, I dislike certain traits of Pashtuns.

So what does that make me? I never had an agenda coming here. Do you think I was going to come here and tell Afghans that Pakistan is their only route to salvation?

Musalamaan hain hum sara jahan hain humara.

I don't believe in lines drawn across the map, but at the same time I don't believe in states that are ethnically exclusive.

So where does that leave us?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I don't go around defending Punjabis, and other Pakistanis, that I don't know. I only speak for myself, and my family, and for some of the Afghans to issue a blanket statement about Punjabis, is the only thing that offends me.

Shamlawar and I do share the same beliefs, but the way he goes about it, is the only way we disagree.

I know you are religious, but you are very moderate.

If I want to make friends with Pashtuns, that doesn't mean I want to influence them politically or in terms of religion. I offer my friendship out of Islam, Insaniyat, and that I admire certain traits of the Pashtun people, while at the same time, I dislike certain traits of Pashtuns.

So what does that make me? I never had an agenda coming here. Do you think I was going to come here and tell Afghans that Pakistan is their only route to salvation?

Musalamaan hain hum sara jahan hain humara.

I don't believe in lines drawn across the map, but at the same time I don't believe in states that are ethnically exclusive.

So where does that leave us?

No we don't have same beliefs.

[ANAcommander]

No we don't have same beliefs.

Actually, you're right. We don't.

[randolph85]

So what does that make me? I never had an agenda coming here.

You were originally a parody of an ANA commander...

[ANAcommander]

You were originally a parody of an ANA commander...

Yeah, and so what?

Does the ANA excite you? Are they some how holier than the Pakistani Army?

The difference between ANA infantry men and Pakistani infantry men is radically different.

ANA infantry men look for an easy pay check, prey on children, smoke drugs, and terrorize their own people.

Pakistani infantry men believe in their cause, bomb civilians on order, are taken for a ride , even if they are being mislead, and try to help local people.

Whose crimes are worse?

In Afghanistan, the military is literally begging for recruits, where as in Pakistan, the Army institution is a very hard fraternity to get into.

Just because one is better than the other does mean that I agree with either of them.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Yeah, and so what?

Does the ANA excite you? Are they some how holier than the Pakistani Army?

The difference between ANA infantry men and Pakistani infantry men is radically different.

ANA infantry men look for an easy pay check, prey on children, smoke drugs, and terrorize their own people.

Pakistani infantry men believe in their cause, bomb civilians on order, are taken for a ride , even if they are being mislead, and try to help local people.

Whose crimes are worse?

In Afghanistan, the military is literally begging for recruits, where as in Pakistan, the Army institution is a very hard fraternity to get into.

Just because one is better than the other does mean that I agree with either of them.

You depict Paki soldiers like well intentioned people who are misled. This reveals your bias and prejudice. What makes you think ANA are all I'll intentioned drug addicts?

You see, the reason why I told you we don't share same beliefs is because you have blind faith and loyalty for a Murtad army and Murtad government. A true muwahid is a Mukafir of all mushrikeen and kuffar and a true muwahid doesn't believe in nationality, nation states and tribalism. A true muwahid is not a partisan.

Just by making takfeer on grave worshipping you won't become any better than grave worshippers. Because shirk of palaces and shirk of flags is just as bad as shirk of idols and dead saints.

One must be a muwahid in every aspect. Loyalty and obedience is only for Allah.without disassociation from flags palaces and parties, claim to Tawheed is false.

[randolph85]

Yeah, and so what?

Does the ANA excite you? Are they some how holier than the Pakistani Army?

The difference between ANA infantry men and Pakistani infantry men is radically different.

ANA infantry men look for an easy pay check, prey on children, smoke drugs, and terrorize their own people.

Pakistani infantry men believe in their cause, bomb civilians on order, are taken for a ride , even if they are being mislead, and try to help local people.

Whose crimes are worse?

In Afghanistan, the military is literally begging for recruits, where as in Pakistan, the Army institution is a very hard fraternity to get into.

Just because one is better than the other does mean that I agree with either of them.

Point being that contradicts your claim that you have no agenda.

Both the ANA and the Paki army are trash in that they follow an unislamic agenda and serve fools. I admit it because I am not blinded by nationalism, you understand it but make excuses for your side.