Do you believe in the western media?

[Firdousi]

I am sure that most intelligent people (which excludes the Arab nationalists, Wahabis and "Islamists" of this forum) would feel that each poster here on this forum is someone who can be questioned.

People may think "Bengal_Tiger is someone who cannot be fully trusted and his views, claims need to be substantiated or challenged". That is a very valid and healthy way of thinking. If people even thought "Bengal_Tiger, has an agenda and I will be sceptical of what he says unless he can prove it", that is also healthy.

If people then extended this to all other posters on this forum that's fine.

Continuing from that we need to understand that media organizations whether they be in brown Iran or white western USA are not perfect organizations solely devoted to telling the truth.

1) They have to make money.
2) They have to not only interest their viewers/readers but also not alienate them with content that would repel them.

For instance in the UK, The Guardian supposedly caters for left-wing readers, whilst the Daily Telegraph caters for right-wing and they have to "cater" for their readership and their views.

These 2 points above are even things that most westerners agree with and I refer to them as a starting point from which it can be clearly established that the indiscriminate blind acceptance of all western media content is fallacious.

The Arab nationalists, "Islamists", Yemenis, Wahabis of this forum are wrong to glorify and revere the western media.

Here is another article to continue this thread:

Shot teen wants to re-join anti-coup protests

14-year-old Adviyye Gül Ismailoglu was shot and injured during July 15 coup attempt

Editor / Internet
18:36 Temmuz 22, 2016
Anadolu Agency



Adviyye Gul.



Malala Yusufzai.

Shot by a pro-coup soldier on July 15, Istanbul teenager Adviyye Gül Ismailoglu says that she wants to recover to take to the streets again.
Speaking at her Istanbul home to Anadolu Agency on Friday, the 14-year-old girl says she was shot in front of the Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality building. The bullet struck her arm and passed through her back.
"When I saw the coup attempt on TV, I was shocked. None of us could let it happen. I wanted to stand in their way.

“After the call of the president [Recep Tayyip Erdoğan], I said 'I will go out'.
“My mother, father and sister and I went out. We planned to go to the governorate, however we were unable to get there as they [pro-coup soldiers] set up a barricade in Sarachane [central Istanbul]", she said.
She says a soldier first fired into the air, before firing at people's feet. After the crowd swelled, a number of soldiers fired at protesters, she says.
"We thought that they are our soldiers and they would not shoot us but we wanted to be martyrs or veterans if they shot us. And I was shot in that moment. When I got shot, I was shocked. I could not believe it," the teenager added.

"But I felt relaxed as I was going to be a veteran or martyr. Firstly I thought that it was a plastic bullet but it wasn't."
Ismailoglu stated that she grew up with patriotism and would go out again if a similar situation occurred.
"I don't regret it. Now I am trying to recover so that I can join the people in the streets. I will fight for my homeland and religion as far as I can and I will never be scared. They have seen that Turks never run away," she said.
Ismailoglu added that she wants to meet President Erdoğan.
The government has said the attempted coup was organized by followers of the Fetullah Terrorist Organization.
The July 15 coup attempt martyred at least 246 people and wounded more than 2,100 who took to the streets to protest the attempt.
Turkey accuses U.S.-based Fetullah Gülen and his so-called parallel state of being behind the failed coup and has called for his extradition to Turkey to face trial.

Shot teen wants to re-join anti-coup protests


1. Now most of these Arab nationalists, Yemenis, Wahabis, house-negroes and "Islamists" on this forum have probably never heard of "Yeni Safak", as they only believe in following their beloved BBC, CNN, Fox, Guardian, Washington Post and other western propaganda organs.

Yeni Safak just like the Guardian or the Washington Post or Press TV or RT is a biased propaganda organ. It is ideologically militantly pro-Erdogan and for the Turkish context pro-"Islamist" (though that is moderate compared to other countries).

Yeni Safak in other words has a lot of pro-Erdogan propaganda and nonsense about Gulen and his followers. e.g. calling Gulen's followers the "F.E.T.O" terrorist group. There is no such group called "F.E.T.O" and no Gulenist calls himself that, this is just part of Erdogan's propaganda campaign against the Gulenists.




2. However aside from Yeni Safak and it's bias, Adviyye Gul is a real person and she really did get shot protesting against the coup.

Will she be mentioned in the western media?

Will she be mentioned in western propaganda organs such as the Guardian, BBC, CNN, NBC, Washington Post, New York Times etc?

Probably not as she does not fit in their agenda which is to vilify Erdogan.


3. A lot of people don't realize how brainwashed they are by the western media and the subtle propaganda techniques that it uses. I am trying to englighten, educated people and free people from the western colonialist mental slavery of the western media which the "Islamists", Yemenis, Wahabis of this forum are trying to perpetuate in their love and adoration of their white western masters.


So here is an example (written by me, I worked with someone who has written BBC articles and many people on this forum are more intelligent than that moron) of what sort of article we could expect if western political interests were to glorify Erdogan and vilify the coup.









*Now this was an "article" written by me. The whole thrust is anti-coup and glorifying the girl "defending Turkish democracy". Is it propganda. Yes/No.

Will we read such an article in the western media e.g. propaganda organs such as the BBC, Guardian, CNN?

No.

Because the whole western media is now engaged in a propaganda campaign to vilify Erdogan.

The western media has its own agenda and bias, however the Yemenis, Arab nationalists, "Islamists" of this forum in their love and adoration of their white masters cannot accept this but will continue to revere their beloved western media blindly believing everything it says and insulting all those who dare hint that the western media can be "inaccurate.




[MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION] as someone who is sensible and can see through the propaganda of the western media, it would be nice to have your opinion on all this.

You talk too much BS brother.

Indeed Western media is pure propaganda and they always try to impose their Western view. But still they are much more reliable than any media in the world. Is criticism on government allowed in Iran or China media?. NO. POTUS for example gets attacked on a daily basis by the American media. Just go and check out New York Times, Washington Post, CNN,.. and you will find plenty of articles agains their own government/country. Now please, check out RT:

RT

IF YOU FIND ONE SINGLE ARTICLE CRITICIZING THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT I WILL DECLARE MY DEFEAT. I DARE YOU


Leaked DNC emails reveal the inner workings of the party’s finance operation

Leaked DNC emails reveal the inner workings of the party’s finance operation - The Washington Post

I DARE YOU TO FIND A NEWS LIKE THIS ON RT AGAINST THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OR PUTIN.

Check this out:

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's meeting w/ Saddam Hussein - YouTube

WOULD RT EVEN DARE TO CORNER LAVROV IN THE SAME WAY THAT CNN IS DOING IN THIS VIDEO AGAINST RUMSFELD? NEVER.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

WikiLeaks never publishes anything negative about Iran, Assad, Putin or China. Nobody is asking why.

[Firdousi]

It was the American media which exposed and revealed some of the ugliest and most embarrassing crimes in their history. My Lei massacre, Watergate case, Wikileaks,.. and so on.

Also thanks to West we got alternate sources of information such as Facebook, Twitter and other social medias and so on. Most of regime such as the Iranian, Chinese or Russian are damn afraid of it and they even ban it on a regular basis (FB is banned in Iran right now).

Iran destroys 100,000 'depraving' satellite dishes
Authorities say the banned satellite dishes are morally damaging, despite high-level calls for reform of the law.

Iran destroys 1, 'depraving' satellite dishes - News from Al Jazeera

[khushal]

WikiLeaks never publishes anything negative about Iran, Assad, Putin or China. Nobody is asking why.

Assange want to prevent the West to become like the dictatorial states you mention.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Indeed Western media is pure propaganda and they always try to impose their Western view.

This statement is wrong.

The mainstream western media does have some truth to it, however what is wrong is when Arab nationalists, Yemenis and others here say that the mainstream western media is totally correct and cannot be questioned.

Also when these Arab nationalists, Yemenis and others say that everything emanating from non-mainstream western media (the alternative media) is by default wrong and a "conspiracy theory" as these institutionalized house-negro American Arabs claim, that too is wrong.

All media can be wrong.

No media must be followed blindly and unquestioningly almost as divine revolution.

If we follow the Arab nationalist/Yemeni philosophy here that "it must be true because the mainstream western media (white man) said so...so it must be true"....then that is wrong.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I can give countless examples of the lies, bias of the mainstream western media.

Notice I use the word "mainstream" (the corporate or semi-official propaganda organizations such as the CNN, BBC, The Guardian etc).

In contrast to them there is also the "alternative media" which is gaining more and more of a following in the west as even many westerners are disillusioned with the mainstream corporate media.

Dishonesty and deceitfulness of politicians.....and journalists.

Most people in the west know that politicians are slimy, dishonest liars.

They have a low opinion of them....and they are totally right to.

Some in the west also have a low opinion of journalists including what in the UK is called the "gutter press" (sensationalist tabloid gossip) who make money by selling dirt and gossip and who exaggerate and lie.



An example of Britain's "gutter press".

However this same degree of scepticism needs to be extended to journalists in the corporate western media and its biased agenda-driven coverage of international affairs.








We must not become like house-negro Arab nationalists/Yemenis who revere the corporate western media. Rather we must become critical of the western media, have a healthy dosage of scepticism towards it but not regard all of it as false.

To say: "CNN, Fox, BBC is always true and nothing but truth....and Press TV and RT is nothing but lies."

is incorrect.

Rather what is more adult, mature and intelligent is to say:

"CNN, Fox, BBC, Press TV, RT are all media with their own biases and shortcomings"

[Firdousi]

This statement is wrong.

The mainstream western media does have some truth to it, however what is wrong is when Arab nationalists, Yemenis and others here say that the mainstream western media is totally correct and cannot be questioned.

Also when these Arab nationalists, Yemenis and others say that everything emanating from non-mainstream western media (the alternative media) is by default wrong and a "conspiracy theory" as these institutionalized house-negro American Arabs claim, that too is wrong.

All media can be wrong.

No media must be followed blindly and unquestioningly almost as divine revolution.

If we follow the Arab nationalist/Yemeni philosophy here that "it must be true because the mainstream western media (white man) said so...so it must be true"....then that is wrong.

Your obsession with Iblis and Shamlawar is cute, brother, but you are not being fair here. Never heard any of them praising Western media.

Lets be honest here: RT, Sputnik, Irna, HispanTV,.. are pure propaganda. Western mainstream can be considered also as propaganda but at least you will see some criticism against their own governments too. You won't see something like that on any non Western media.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Your obsession with Iblis and Shamlawar is cute, brother, but you are not being fair here. Never heard any of them praising Western media.

Lets be honest here: RT, Sputnik, Irna, HispanTV,.. are pure propaganda. Western mainstream can be considered also as propaganda but at least you will see some criticism against their own governments too. You won't see something like that on any non Western media.

And I never have, he's being totally disingenuous, creating a Strawman Narrative, inventing imaginary opponents of Arab Nationalists and Yemenis, none of whom actually exist on this forum. He's creating a false dichotomy to validate his house slave colonized mentality of championing Putin.

Bangladesh is known for having strong Russian ties and Bangladeshi nationalists have been servants to Russian soft power for decades.

Bangladesh–Russia relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia has conducted an aggressive military sales effort in Bangladesh and has succeeded with a $124 million deal for eight MIG-29 fighter jets.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Many of the mentally colonized house negros, Yemeni nationalists, Arab ethno-supremacists, Wahabis of this forum in their love for their white western masters in Washington DC and Langley, Virginia will not be able to accept that the western media could not be the "all-knowing", "ever-truthful" beacon of knowledge that they in their low-IQ stupidity and ignorance perceive it to be.



Western media always ascribes "ethical narrative" to Western foreign policy.

Politics is a dirty business. In life (life-experience one of the key things that the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum lack) often the most ruthless, dishonest, backstabbing people make their way to the top be it in different professions or careers. Truly noble people do not wish to have power over others as they know the responsibility it entails.

Often greedy, nasty people wish to have power and become politicians and then leaders.

Politicians and the states they represent are often deeply immoral be it Iran, Pakistan, China, Russia....however what the western-media fanboys, house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum fail to realize is that this also applies to their believed western governments.

Yes, believe it or not house negros, Yemeni nationalists, western governments can be "evil" (*shock horror*).

However in the western media e.g. CNN, The Guardian, Fox, BBC only ethical motives are ever attributed to western foreign policy.

The west only acts for "freedom, democracy, human rights etc", never for oil, geo-political benefit, diamonds, gas, natural resources.

Eastern regimes, Slavs, Mongoloid Chinese, Brown Muslims...yes but not the white western regimes of Europe and North America, a fallacious and subtly racist narrative which is perpetuated and promoted by the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum.

Continuing with this thread, here is a small example of western media unreliability.



Let's be brutal and honest about it.

So what?

A mere typo...some clown in CNN spelt Austria as Australia...ok, a mistake, so what?

Fair enough...but the point is we have to give doses of truth and reality to help mentally liberate the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum, in small portions as if we give them too much of things called "facts" and "reality" (something they are adverse to) they may not be able to handle it.

The point is *shock horror* the western media can be wrong!

* GASP *



"What...no the western media can never be wrong, every house negro and Yemeni nationalist knows that"



"No the western media is always correct and never makes mistakes, my house-negro, Yemeni nationalist friend told me this!"

Sane people will accept that the western media can make mistakes.

The next step will be to accept that in addition to making inadvertent technical mistakes, the western media can also be make "mistakes" of a greater nature.

We have to proceed in small steps and small doses or the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum won't be able to compute or handle it.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Many of the mentally colonized house negros, Yemeni nationalists, Arab ethno-supremacists, Wahabis of this forum in their love for their white western masters in Washington DC and Langley, Virginia will not be able to accept that the western media could not be the "all-knowing", "ever-truthful" beacon of knowledge that they in their low-IQ stupidity and ignorance perceive it to be.



Western media always ascribes "ethical narrative" to Western foreign policy.

Politics is a dirty business. In life (life-experience one of the key things that the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum lack) often the most ruthless, dishonest, backstabbing people make their way to the top be it in different professions or careers. Truly noble people do not wish to have power over others as they know the responsibility it entails.

Often greedy, nasty people wish to have power and become politicians and then leaders.

Politicians and the states they represent are often deeply immoral be it Iran, Pakistan, China, Russia....however what the western-media fanboys, house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum fail to realize is that this also applies to their believed western governments.

Yes, believe it or not house negros, Yemeni nationalists, western governments can be "evil" (*shock horror*).

However in the western media e.g. CNN, The Guardian, Fox, BBC only ethical motives are ever attributed to western foreign policy.

The west only acts for "freedom, democracy, human rights etc", never for oil, geo-political benefit, diamonds, gas, natural resources.

Eastern regimes, Slavs, Mongoloid Chinese, Brown Muslims...yes but not the white western regimes of Europe and North America, a fallacious and subtly racist narrative which is perpetuated and promoted by the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum.

Continuing with this thread, here is a small example of western media unreliability.



Let's be brutal and honest about it.

So what?

A mere typo...some clown in CNN spelt Austria as Australia...ok, a mistake, so what?

Fair enough...but the point is we have to give doses of truth and reality to help mentally liberate the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum, in small portions as if we give them too much of things called "facts" and "reality" (something they are adverse to) they may not be able to handle it.

The point is *shock horror* the western media can be wrong!

* GASP *



"What...no the western media can never be wrong, every house negro and Yemeni nationalist knows that"



"No the western media is always correct and never makes mistakes, my house-negro, Yemeni nationalist friend told me this!"

Sane people will accept that the western media can make mistakes.

The next step will be to accept that in addition to making inadvertent technical mistakes, the western media can also be make "mistakes" of a greater nature.

We have to proceed in small steps and small doses or the house-negros, Yemeni nationalists of this forum won't be able to compute or handle it.

Claims Western media is biased. Relies heavily on Western media practically in every post on PF:

[Bengal_Tiger]

Shamlawar Khurasani
This message is hidden because Shamlawar Khurasani is on your ignore list.

Do not quote me.

Arab nationalism, Wahabism are failed ideologies.

The western media is not an all-knowing, ever-truthful source of "news" some mentally-colonized, Arab nationalist, house-negros on this forum are trying to claim it is.

Bye.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Do not quote me.

Arab nationalism, Wahabism are failed ideologies.

Is that why you have the Arab nationalist flag of Egypt as your avatar? And is that why you support Sisi who is funded and supported by Saudi Arabia?

The western media is not an all-knowing, ever-truthful source of "news" some mentally-colonized, Arab nationalist, house-negros on this forum are trying to claim it is.

Bye.

And that's why you keep using them in every thread.

[Golden]

Do not quote me.

Arab nationalism, Wahabism are failed ideologies.

The western media is not an all-knowing, ever-truthful source of "news" some mentally-colonized, Arab nationalist, house-negros on this forum are trying to claim it is.

Bye.

Whats the point of ignore button if you will read every post anyway?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Britain's Daily Mirror recently published this news article:

A sickening video posted online by Turkish nationalist supporters of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan shows the moment they ambush a French tourist - punching him in the face after he refused to hold the country's flag.

Erdogan-supporting nationalist Turkish gangs beat tourists who refuse to say 'I love Turkey' and wave country's flag - Mirror Online



Britain's Daily Express:

A TOURIST was left bloodied and beaten by patrolling Turkish nationalists after he refused to hold a Turkish flag.

French tourist beaten up by Turkish nationalists after refusing to hold Turkey flag | World | News | Daily Express





This "French" tourist was actually a Turkish student from central Anatolia, Yozgat.

Now the Yemeni nationalists, Arab nationalists of this forum would claim that the western media is always true, always honest, fair and agenda free and anyone who disagrees with them is a "conspiracy theorist". However for normal people we can see that this is totally wrong in this case.

These two British papers, the Mirror and the Daily Express published false information which caused harm and damage to a country's reputation. If the story went viral on facebook, social media many people could have a negative image of Turkey's tourism of the country, jobs could be lost.

The point is just because something is said by CNN, The Guardian, BBC does not make it automatically true, as the Yemeni nationalists/Arab nationalists of this forum would like us to believe.

Here is an article from Turkish paper Milliyet about this Turkish student who was attacked by thugs.


Darp edilen ‘Fransız turist’ Ankaralı oğrenci cıktı

Ankara’da 31 Temmuz gecesi bir grup maganda, M.T.Ç’yi (29) darp ederken çektikleri görüntüleri sosyal medyada “Türk Bayrağı’nı tutmayı reddedip demokrasi nöbetine katılmayan Fransız turist” diye paylaştı. Ankaralı bir öğrenci olduğunu belirten maganda mağduru M.T.Ç., olayın gece çalıştığı yerden çıktıktan sonra evine yürürken yaşandığını söyledi. M.T.Ç., sigara yakmak için çakmak aradığı sırada bir kişinin çakmak uzattığını ve o şekilde saldırganları fark ettiğini anlattı.

The "French" tourist, in reality a student from central Turkey.

However the Yemeni nationalists/house negros of this forum will refuse to accept this and say that Turkish media is inferior to the "superior" white western media and that the white western media is always true, agenda free and perfect.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I believe Bill O'Reilly makes more sense and is often more accurate than Tandulkar.