How to solve the Indo-Pak hostility

[PakZameen]

Which is why Pakistan can never pull the Muslim card in its civil war with Hindu India. It's why Paki nationalists can stop pretending they are Muslim and concede that their war with big bro India is about land and resources alone.

Orakzai has the good sense to admit to such, when will the rest of you follow suit?

But Pashtuns can pull Muslim card when they attack other Muslims, or when in history they fought with other "Muslim" Pashtun tribes. The sheer hypocrisy and duplicity in your guy's arguments are cringe worthy.

Btw The Indians are your Big bros. We are just their fathers.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

The main cause is the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

The Punjabi dominated Army Generals and ISI virtually run the country at will.
If there is peace with India there will be no need of a Big army or huge spends on ISI. These Army officers and ISI officers make millions of dollars a year. What will they do if there is peace with India ? They get huge salaries but train and send civilians to fight proxy wars on the name of Jehad.
Lack/inefficiency of democratic institutions and the widespread propaganda against india through print and electronic media and through textbooks spoil the minds of young generation and make them hate India and hindus.

therefore they will never allow peace to prevail nor allow any peaceful resolution of Kashmir/Siachen/Sir Creek etc or Stop cross border terrorism.

[PakZameen]

The main cause is the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

The Punjabi dominated Army Generals and ISI virtually run the country at will.
If there is peace with India there will be no need of a Big army or huge spends on ISI. These Army officers and ISI officers make millions of dollars a year. What will they do if there is peace with India ? They get huge salaries but train and send civilians to fight proxy wars on the name of Jehad.
Lack/inefficiency of democratic institutions and the widespread propaganda against india through print and electronic media and through textbooks spoil the minds of young generation and make them hate India and hindus.

therefore they will never allow peace to prevail nor allow any peaceful resolution of Kashmir/Siachen/Sir Creek etc or Stop cross border terrorism.

Of course, Indian and Afghanistan are saints and were the evil ones. I'm not sure how many Pakistanis you've met, but the murder and mayhem during partition leaves most Pakistanis with bitter thoughts regarding India. The occupied Kashmiris feel the same way. Afghans may love India, but we Pakistanis certainly don't. And this will not change until Muslims are no longer oppressed in the Brahmin state.

[asad71]

Indo-Pak amity will never happen. If it does then the Great Satan will loose two stupid customers for their weapons. And they will not be able to exploit politically or economically.

[Friends of Baloch]

Lol

We carry the torch of Bin Qasim, of Ghaznavi, of Muhammad Ghori, of Aibak, of Babur and of Aurangazeb. No other country was fit to wield that torch besides us.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

This must be the "torch" Pakistani Nationalists keep talking about.

[PakZameen]

The pic you posted. Isn't that what Makranis look like? Why are you trying to use it as an insult towards Punjabis? It doesn't even make sense. The pic of the guy you posted looks better than your Baluch Sardars who you worship more than God. LOL

Afghans... the less said the better, about those half-breed mongols.

[PakZameen]

This must be the "torch" Pakistani Nationalists keep talking about.

That's the after-effect of a spicy **** after penetrating an Afghan. Have fun.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Of course, Indian and Afghanistan are saints and were the evil ones. I'm not sure how many Pakistanis you've met, but the murder and mayhem during partition leaves most Pakistanis with bitter thoughts regarding India. The occupied Kashmiris feel the same way. Afghans may love India, but we Pakistanis certainly don't. And this will not change until Muslims are no longer oppressed in the Brahmin state.

Army doesn't enjoy as much power in any other country of the world like it do in Pakustan. out of 66 years since its birth the country has been ruled by Generals for 3 decades and even if there isn't any Martial Law they manage to pulll the reins of power while remaining behind the curtains. In india the Chief of Army staff as well as RAW is purely responsible to the elected parliament unlikely Paki Army who is the king maker who use parliament as a rubbor stamp. As they aren't accountable to any institution including judiciary and parliament therefore its upto ISI and Army whether to go for peace or not.

As far as the miseries and human losses during partition are concerned it was the folly of Jinnah and Co. The only reason for which great indian leaders like Maulana Azad, Nehru, Gandhi and Great pashtun leader Khan Abdul Ghafar khan opposed the partition was the bloodshed that they were expecting after the declaration. But Mr. Jinnah wanted a state where his opportunist gang and their offspring could rule. So you can't just blame hindus and india for that. Here in pakhtunkhwa and Peshawar the Muslim League wolfs tried to slaughter innocent hindu merchants but Khudai Khidmatgars came to the rescue and made their lives and wealth safe.

Today a muslim in India is feeling much safe then those living in Pakistan. The Pakistani state which is claimed to have came to being on the basis of 2 nation theory kicked their bengali brothers in 1971 thus showing the truth that infact they have nothing to do with Islam or the 2 nation theory but it was just a political slogan to promote their interests.

[Bengal_Tiger]

The main cause is the Pakistan Army and the ISI.

The Punjabi dominated Army Generals and ISI virtually run the country at will.
If there is peace with India there will be no need of a Big army or huge spends on ISI. These Army officers and ISI officers make millions of dollars a year. What will they do if there is peace with India ? They get huge salaries but train and send civilians to fight proxy wars on the name of Jehad.
Lack/inefficiency of democratic institutions and the widespread propaganda against india through print and electronic media and through textbooks spoil the minds of young generation and make them hate India and hindus.

therefore they will never allow peace to prevail nor allow any peaceful resolution of Kashmir/Siachen/Sir Creek etc or Stop cross border terrorism.

...and the best post of the thread award goes to Yousafzai Pakhtun!

[Bengal_Tiger]

Indo-Pak amity will never happen. If it does then the Great Satan will loose two stupid customers for their weapons. And they will not be able to exploit politically or economically.

1. As Yousafzai Pakhtun has correctly said the Pakistani army will never allow Pakistan to make peace with India over Kashmir as the Pakistani army would lose its power and thus its business interests.

2. America knows this but has great influence over Pakistan (an influence which is decreasing at a growing pace due to China and Russia increasing in power), despite this they never pressurized the Pakistani ruling establishment to muzzle the army.

3. Your post is correct the Americans want their surrogate the Pakistan army to rule Pakistan and for an unstable Indo-Pak region.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Shamlawargholana,

The long years of abusing those bags of skung has done your brains some serious damage. Had it not been for all those skung there would still have been some hope that you would have closed off by almost a decade to reach this conclusion what the Talibs are: mere proxies. Sta pa kakara ke mutyaze wokam (I couldn't resist this one lol).

Lets hope for other rabid extremists here.

If you are not naive and know Talibs well, if you still think that India and Pakistan reaching a settlement will only ought to liberate Talibs from Pakis explains the extent their enslavement. This why I have always hated the **** bags. But I have good reasons that Pakis through their Talib proxy will not succeed in their desires. I tell you a good news; they are faced with a real strategic quandary whether to discard you or continue to abuse you - both of which have a price-tag. The price of the early should be less so you have some hope.

lol...your post made me laugh.

The Taliban will never rule Afghanistan ever again despite the wishes of Taliban-supporters like "Shamlawargholana".

[PakZameen]

Army doesn't enjoy as much power in any other country of the world like it do in Pakustan. out of 66 years since its birth the country has been ruled by Generals for 3 decades and even if there isn't any Martial Law they manage to pulll the reins of power while remaining behind the curtains. In india the Chief of Army staff as well as RAW is purely responsible to the elected parliament unlikely Paki Army who is the king maker who use parliament as a rubbor stamp. As they aren't accountable to any institution including judiciary and parliament therefore its upto ISI and Army whether to go for peace or not.

As far as the miseries and human losses during partition are concerned it was the folly of Jinnah and Co. The only reason for which great indian leaders like Maulana Azad, Nehru, Gandhi and Great pashtun leader Khan Abdul Ghafar khan opposed the partition was the bloodshed that they were expecting after the declaration. But Mr. Jinnah wanted a state where his opportunist gang and their offspring could rule. So you can't just blame hindus and india for that. Here in pakhtunkhwa and Peshawar the Muslim League wolfs tried to slaughter innocent hindu merchants but Khudai Khidmatgars came to the rescue and made their lives and wealth safe.

Today a muslim in India is feeling much safe then those living in Pakistan. The Pakistani state which is claimed to have came to being on the basis of 2 nation theory kicked their bengali brothers in 1971 thus showing the truth that infact they have nothing to do with Islam or the 2 nation theory but it was just a political slogan to promote their interests.

Paki army as you like to call it, is the only sane mind in the region. Out of these "66" years that you claim, more Pashtuns have been in leadership roles compared to Punjabis. The only Punjabi ruler of Pakistan was Zia-ul-Haq. It seems you are a big fan of India. If you like it so much, we are not stopping you to settle in India. Ghafar Khan was not respected in Pakistan, whether it be in Punjab or current KPK or FATA.

Here is your hero in KPK being treated as a saint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_vcR2UG3Ws

And bengalis were traitors. They shot us in the back while we fought India. Your agenda is weak and lame.

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

Ghafar Khan was not respected in Pakistan, whether it be in Punjab or current KPK or FATA.

Here is your hero in KPK being treated as a saint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_vcR2UG3Ws

And bengalis were traitors. They shot us in the back while we fought India. Your agenda is weak and lame.

Lol. Ghafar Khan was not a popular leader nor was he respected in Pakhtunkhwa thats why his Khudai Khidmatgars won the 1937 as well as 1946 elections in the province and made a joint government with Congress, while Muslim league despite of contesting the elections on the name of Pakistan were completely voted out of the province. :D

[PakZameen]

Lol. Ghafar Khan was not a popular leader nor was he respected in Pakhtunkhwa thats why his Khudai Khidmatgars won the 1937 as well as 1946 elections in the province and made a joint government with Congress, while Muslim league despite of contesting the elections on the name of Pakistan were completely voted out of the province. :D

Cheer on for Nehru. Where was Ghafar buried? In Afghanistan? Why not in KPK, Swat, or FATA?

He was a servant to his client, India. Just like Kharzai is a client of NATO.