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    Afghan officials and Taliban representatives will resume talks in Pakistan after the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, Pakistan’s foreign office has said, following a groundbreaking meeting on Tuesday.

    Representatives of China and the US also took part in discussions in the popular hill town resort of Murree, which is an hour’s drive from the capital Islamabad.
    A statement by the Pakistani foreign ministry said both sides “were duly mandated by their respective leadership and expressed their collective desire to bring peace to Afghanistan and the region”.

    Doubts had been raised about the value of a Pakistani-brokered meeting held between the two sides in the Chinese city of Urumqi in May after a Taliban spokesman said the militants involved had not been officially authorised to talk.
    The Taliban have so far refused to comment on reports of the Tuesday meeting, which began with an iftar – the sunset meal when Muslims break their Ramadan fast – and continued until the early hours of Wednesday morning.

    “The participants agreed to continue talks to create an environment conducive for peace and reconciliation process,” the statement said.

    In the past, the Taliban have refused face-to-face meetings with what they call Afghanistan’s “puppet” government, insisting they would only negotiate with the US.

    Although the Tuesday meeting was held under the auspices of the high peace council, a body established to operate at arm’s length to the government, the delegation included Hekmat Karzai, Afghanistan’s deputy foreign minister and nephew of former president Hamid Karzai.

    A Pakistani official said both sides accepted the need for “confidence-building measures”.

    The government of the Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, has been anxious to secure ceasefires with the insurgents. The involvement of both Chinese and US diplomats underlines the powerful international consensus over the need for a political deal in Afghanistan. China is worried about the Islamist insurgencies in Pakistan and Afghanistan spilling over into its western province of Xinjiang, home to a restive Muslim Uighur population.
    There are also concerns in the US about the country’s long-term ability to sustain the billions of dollars needed to prop up Afghanistan’s outsized security forces as it struggles to cope with a raging Taliban-led insurgency.

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest welcomed the Murree meeting as an “an important step toward advancing prospects for a credible peace”.

    The other country that will be vital to the success of any peace process is Pakistan, which many Afghans believe remains wedded to its long-held policy of allowing the Taliban to operate freely in its territory in order to destabilise a troublesome neighbour.

    Pakistan insists it is committed to peace. In May, the country’s prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, publicly assured Ghani that “the enemies of Afghanistan cannot be friends of Pakistan”.

    That Tuesday’s talks were held in Pakistan and with the apparent support of the Taliban’s leadership could relieve some of the political pressure on the Afghan president, who has been severely criticised at home for his attempts to cultivate Pakistan with a series of concessions that would have been unthinkable under his predecessor.

    Analysts warn a deal with the Taliban may not end the bloodshed in Afghanistan given the movement is increasingly split, with a homegrown branch of Islamic State attracting defectors from other militant groups.

    Taliban field commanders are also said to be resentful of political figures within the movement who do not share the hardships of the frontline. Whereas some in the movement are keen to strike a deal with the Afghan government, many fighters are said to believe a military victory against the government is increasingly possible given the continuing withdrawal of US forces.

    Pakistan said negotiators, including China and US, agreed to continue talks to create environment ‘conducive for peace and reconciliation’

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    Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN)


    Secretive Taliban leader Mullah Omar signaled support for Afghan peace talks in a message to supporters Wednesday.

    "Concurrently with armed jihad, political endeavors and peaceful pathways for achieving these sacred goals is a legitimate Islamic principle and an integral part of Prophetic politics," he said in a message released on the eve of Eid celebrations to mark the end of Ramadan.
    The Taliban leader said he had ordered the formation of a "Political Office" that was "entrusted with the responsibility of monitoring and conducting all political activities."
    "The objective behind our political endeavors as well as contacts and interactions with countries of the world and our own Afghans is to bring an end to the occupation and to establish an independent Islamic system in our country," he said, after explaining at length why negotiating with "infidels" is permitted by the Quran and actions of the Prophet Mohammed.
    His message comes a week after the Afghan government held face-to-face talks with Taliban representatives for the first time in an attempt to work toward a peace process.
    Mujahedeen told to stay united

    Mullah Omar also sent an apparent warning to ISIS, the Sunni extremist group that has seized a swath of territory across Syria and Iraq, not to create a new front in Afghanistan.
    "Since maintaining the unity of jihadi front in our country is a religious obligation, we have therefore directed all our mujahedeen to preserve their unity and forcefully prevent all those elements who attempt to create differences, damage this jihadi front or try to disperse the mujahedeen," he said.
    His words come after ISIS published a long interview in its English-language propaganda magazine, Dabiq, in which a Muslim scholar argued that jihadi forces should back the self-declared caliphate of leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi over the "regional" leader Mullah Omar.
    Insurgency rages

    The Afghan government described last week's talks, hosted by Pakistan, as "the start of the first ever official peace talks" between the two sides.

    Afghan President Ashraf Ghani had been seeking dialogue with the Taliban with the encouragement of the United States.
    But finding a peaceful resolution to the country's lengthy conflict will be challenging, to say the least.
    As U.S. and other NATO troops are drawing down their numbers in Afghanistan, the Taliban insurgency continues to rage across wide areas of the country. The militants attempted a brazen attack on the national parliament last month.
    The U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan ended last year, leaving the Afghan military to lead the fight against the Taliban. The thousands of NATO troops that remain in Afghanistan are there in a training and support role.
    CNN's Jethro Mullen and Sophia Saifi contributed to this report.


    Secretive Taliban leader Mullah Omar signaled support for Afghan peace talks, alongside continued armed jihad, in a message to supporters Wednesday.

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    • #3
      o wow, that's great news. i have a couple of questions..

      so if it was such a success and indeed, did end on such a positive note, why were 39 civilians butchered in helmand in one single incident on the very day these talks were being held?? why did mullah omar release a video yesterday to express his dedication towards continuing with his goal of fighting for their cause??
      exactly which taliban are they holding these talks with?? if they can't even hold a momentary ceasefire, what peace can they guarantee to the people of afghanistan, once the afghan government shakes hands with them and lets them roam around the country??
      these are just a bunch of people with no power left in their hands and are tired of hiding in caves. there is more to loot while being a part of the current govenrment so let's resign our previous positions and join the government instead..

      this collaboration is futile since these people are not well allied amongst themselves. five of them will surrender and 5000 of them will remain right where they are. no need to get over excited over nothing.

      "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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      • #4
        you mean to tell me, you sat in a room with a bunch of people who are claiming responsibility for the deaths of people who are barbequed on daily bases, managed to walk out of there without making a single difference in that fact and called it a success??

        the **** did you discuss??

        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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        • #5
          Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
          o wow, that's great news. i have a couple of questions..

          so if it was such a success and indeed, did end on such a positive note, why were 39 civilians butchered in helmand in one single incident on the very day these talks were being held?? why did mullah omar release a video yesterday to express his dedication towards continuing with his goal of fighting for their cause??
          exactly which taliban are they holding these talks with?? if they can't even hold a momentary ceasefire, what peace can they guarantee to the people of afghanistan, once the afghan government shakes hands with them and lets them roam around the country??
          these are just a bunch of people with no power left in their hands and are tired of hiding in caves. there is more to loot while being a part of the current govenrment so let's resign our previous positions and join the government instead..

          this collaboration is futile since these people are not well allied amongst themselves. five of them will surrender and 5000 of them will remain right where they are. no need to get over excited over nothing.
          If there was peace in the country than there would be no point in peace talks. If the current situation wasn't a mess than there would be nothing to talk about.

          I didn't see Afghan security forces pausing their operations or NATO troops leaving the country during these talks.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #6
            if afghan security forces were good for anything, they would have destroyed these animals before letting it get to the point where you find the need to sit down with them and negotiate. it's not a matter of them dropping their weapons so terrorists would agree to stop killing the innocent but a matter of having the confidence and competence of getting rid of them all together in the first place.
            you don't run a government by dropping your weapons and surrendering the country to the mercy of terrorists. negotiating with terrorists doesn't make you any better than them. peace talks my foot. it's a business deal.
            nobody is ready for peace talks and whatever happened, most definitely did not end on a positive note.

            "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
              if afghan security forces were good for anything, they would have destroyed these animals before letting it get to the point where you find the need to sit down with them and negotiate. it's not a matter of them dropping their weapons so terrorists would agree to stop killing the innocent but a matter of having the confidence and competence of getting rid of them all together in the first place.
              you don't run a government by dropping your weapons and surrendering the country to the mercy of terrorists. negotiating with terrorists doesn't make you any better than them. peace talks my foot. it's a business deal.
              nobody is ready for peace talks and whatever happened, most definitely did not end on a positive note.
              The combined forces of NATO couldn't destroy the Taliban, what did you expect of the pathetic ANA?

              No side negotiates with their enemy when they have the capability of destroying their adversary. The US realized this a few years back, Karzai's government was practically begging for peace talks and then destroyed the prospects during the Qatar office debacle out of Karzai's insecurities. The Taliban know they will never win the war militarily and for whatever reason, a kick in the ass from Pakistan or otherwise, they have decided to talk to the Afghan government officially for the first time in 14 years.

              If you are a level headed person with no political interests that profits off the continuation of this conflict, I don't see how you could see these talks as a bad thing.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                don't waste my time. you fix a corrupted government. you don't discard it and toss everything to the wolves. i could support genuine talks of peace but i have no interest in entertaining people's shenanigans. this is not how you talk peace with someone.

                i discuss peace with you and you walk out of that room and continue doing what you were doing in the first place.
                A) you just fooled me in to believing i achieved something out of this meeting or
                B) i set the bar too low for you and have no trouble with letting you get away with whatever you do..

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                • #9
                  There were no agreements except to meet again, did you expect the end of the war after this meeting or an end to hostilities when a ceasefire was not even on the table, at their first meeting no less?

                  Again, did the ANA cease their activities against the Taliban during these talks? Have they stopped them now as a confidence building measure as you expect the Taliban to do now?

                  Or are we still fixated on the Taliban having to recognize the Afghan constitution when the makeup of this government is actually unconstitutional?

                  If you didn't already notice, the wolves already run the government and have for 14 years.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    osman you are really pissing me off. ana is supposed to be running a country. are they supposed to drop their weapons and go home because taliban agreed to meet in some room with them?? no matter how corrupted they may be, they are not equals.
                    don't be an idiot.

                    i am not going to go in circles over this with you. good day.

                    "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                    • #11
                      The Taliban used to be the ANA. You are acting like a pause in the war for the Taliban should be expected whereas the ANA can't drop their guard because...?

                      They are most certainly not equals, you give the Talibs a quarter of the billions of dollars the Afg gov't spent on their military and pirate eye Omar would be sitting in the Arg today.

                      Good day m'lady
                      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                      Sayyid Qutb

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                      • #12
                        i don't need you lecturing me on what they used to be when they started or what they are now. i was there and i am here now. you take your acquired from the media or wherever you get your knowledge from, wisdom and go rap about it in some back alley with your baseball cap and dragging pants.

                        it's amazing what **** people like you are made to believe in. we are done here with this conversation.

                        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                        • #13
                          Lol ok. I have no ill will towards you. You have your opinion and I have mine, I am not made to believe anything. No need to get aggressive, and loose jeans are far more comfy than a tight fit. Farewell.
                          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                          Sayyid Qutb

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                            Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN)


                            Secretive Taliban leader Mullah Omar signaled support for Afghan peace talks in a message to supporters Wednesday.

                            "Concurrently with armed jihad, political endeavors and peaceful pathways for achieving these sacred goals is a legitimate Islamic principle and an integral part of Prophetic politics," he said in a message released on the eve of Eid celebrations to mark the end of Ramadan.
                            The Taliban leader said he had ordered the formation of a "Political Office" that was "entrusted with the responsibility of monitoring and conducting all political activities."
                            "The objective behind our political endeavors as well as contacts and interactions with countries of the world and our own Afghans is to bring an end to the occupation and to establish an independent Islamic system in our country," he said, after explaining at length why negotiating with "infidels" is permitted by the Quran and actions of the Prophet Mohammed.
                            His message comes a week after the Afghan government held face-to-face talks with Taliban representatives for the first time in an attempt to work toward a peace process.
                            Mujahedeen told to stay united

                            Mullah Omar also sent an apparent warning to ISIS, the Sunni extremist group that has seized a swath of territory across Syria and Iraq, not to create a new front in Afghanistan.
                            "Since maintaining the unity of jihadi front in our country is a religious obligation, we have therefore directed all our mujahedeen to preserve their unity and forcefully prevent all those elements who attempt to create differences, damage this jihadi front or try to disperse the mujahedeen," he said.
                            His words come after ISIS published a long interview in its English-language propaganda magazine, Dabiq, in which a Muslim scholar argued that jihadi forces should back the self-declared caliphate of leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi over the "regional" leader Mullah Omar.
                            Insurgency rages

                            The Afghan government described last week's talks, hosted by Pakistan, as "the start of the first ever official peace talks" between the two sides.

                            Afghan President Ashraf Ghani had been seeking dialogue with the Taliban with the encouragement of the United States.
                            But finding a peaceful resolution to the country's lengthy conflict will be challenging, to say the least.
                            As U.S. and other NATO troops are drawing down their numbers in Afghanistan, the Taliban insurgency continues to rage across wide areas of the country. The militants attempted a brazen attack on the national parliament last month.
                            The U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan ended last year, leaving the Afghan military to lead the fight against the Taliban. The thousands of NATO troops that remain in Afghanistan are there in a training and support role.
                            CNN's Jethro Mullen and Sophia Saifi contributed to this report.


                            http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/15/as...ban/index.html

                            What leverage does the Kabul regime have since Obama has stuck to a complete US withdrawal? Since that decision, the BSA and SPA are meaningless pieces of paper.
                            "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Insight View Post
                              What leverage does the Kabul regime have since Obama has stuck to a complete US withdrawal? Since that decision, the BSA and SPA are meaningless pieces of paper.
                              The Soviets also withdrew but the communist government didn't fall until the money, weapons, fuel stopped flowing, after collapse of the Soviet Union. So the wet dream of an armed takeover of Afghanistan will never come true, if the US keeps funding Afghanistan.

                              Why the Taliban negotiate? I guess their Punjabi masters threatened to put a danda up their rear end.
                              Last edited by Al-Afghani; 07-20-2015, 07:03 AM.

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