Pashtuns of Pakistan discussion

[MazloomYarMasud]

Peera when you get Loy Pakhtunkhwa, what will the name of the citizens of Pashtunkhwa be called?

What wil the Tajiks be called as citizens of your fantasy called Loy Afghanistan?

First work on improving the reputation of Afghans within Pakhtunkhwa than seeing these fantasies of we Pashtuns opening our arms and joining with Tajiks,Afghan Pashtuns,uzbeks and Hazaras.

A Pashtun can not even feed his own family in Afghanistan let alone Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa will join Afghanistan lol.

Like Sher Khan said, there is absolutely Nooo Pashtun Party at present in both Pakhtunkhwa and Afghanistan who support Pashtuns joining Afghanistan.

There was the Afghan Millet Party but they are betrayed by their own Afghans.

There was the Peshawer Seven who joined Pakistan.

So how will Pashtuns join Afghanistan? its impossible! It wil never Happen! never in the future and never at present.

IF there is a Pashtun state I am sure majority of Pashtuns will join it but if joining with Afghanistan is proposed Majority of Pashtuns will Laugh at it.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

What wil the Tajiks be called as citizens of your fantasy called Loy Afghanistan?

First work on improving the reputation of Afghans within Pakhtunkhwa than seeing these fantasies of we Pashtuns opening our arms and joining with Tajiks,Afghan Pashtuns,uzbeks and Hazaras.

A Pashtun can not even feed his own family in Afghanistan let alone Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa will join Afghanistan lol.

Like Sher Khan said, there is absolutely Nooo Pashtun Party at present in both Pakhtunkhwa and Afghanistan who support Pashtuns joining Afghanistan.

There was the Afghan Millet Party but they are betrayed by their own Afghans.

There was the Peshawer Seven who joined Pakistan.

So how will Pashtuns join Afghanistan? its impossible! It wil never Happen! never in the future and never at present.

IF there is a Pashtun state I am sure majority of Pashtuns will join it but if joining with Afghanistan is proposed Majority of Pashtuns will Laugh at it.

Kind Regards

This is beside the point and you are diverting. We already know what non pashtuns and Pashtuns will be called in Loy Afghanistan (that is already dealt with). It is a simple question wrora...what will those Non-Pashtuns be called in Loy Pakhtunkhwa?

[MazloomYarMasud]

the dream of pashtunistan died with bacha khan, i dont know what is loya pashtunkhwah? but still there is no true leadership of pashtun to take it forward. pashtuns of pashtunkhwah had couople of optionsin the past, loy Afghanistan, pashtunistan, and loy pashtunistan. what happened to those agnedas. yeh another point, afghan leaders have strongly supported all the options.

What Happened to your Army and your Government man?

Afghanistan has done nothing for the unification of Pashtuns.

You have been throughout your existance trying to learn Dari to look educated.

Which Afghan leaders have supported Pashtunistan besdies Daud?

Why did your Army back down when the Pashtunistan issue become strong and hot?

Afghan is not a PASHTUN STATE.

How can you expect us to follow an Afghanistan that promotes HAzaras and tajiks and uzbeks as Afghans but tell us to fight agaisnt Pakistan?

Tajiks are not a minority!
they rule over you very openly!

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

This is beside the point and you are diverting. We already know what non pashtuns and Pashtuns will be called in Loy Afghanistan (that is already dealt with). It is a simple question wrora...what will those Non-Pashtuns be called in Loy Pakhtunkhwa?

They will be called Non Pashtuns.

Its very simple.

You see this is what I mean. BLS you have been brainwashed by these Afghan users, they only want to use Pashtuns to get one back at Pakistan. Even if Pakistan is gone, these Afghans will throw Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa into the trash can just as they did during the British era.

Its very amusing how we have on this forum Afghans who justify Abdur Rehmans signing of the durrand line saying it would have over taken whole of Afghanistan.

Afghan army lost many times to the British,

It was the Pashtuns of Pakhtunkhwa who rebelled in the 1000's against the British and died doing so.

If they had loved Afghanistan so much they would have joined it or fought for it but they didnt.

Mirza Ali Khan was even betrayed by the Afghans when they closed down his supplie routes from Italy and Germany on the request of Soviet Union.

Same with when Pakistan went to war with India and Bengladesh, where was the might afghan brave army to save their so called brothers?

oh w8 they were busy on deciding how important is dari for them.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

They will be called Non Pashtuns.

Its very simple.

You see this is what I mean. BLS you have been brainwashed by these Afghan users, they only want to use Pashtuns to get one back at Pakistan. Even if Pakistan is gone, these Afghans will throw Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa into the trash can just as they did during the British era.

Its very amusing how we have on this forum Afghans who justify Abdur Rehmans signing of the durrand line saying it would have over taken whole of Afghanistan.

Afghan army lost many times to the British,

It was the Pashtuns of Pakhtunkhwa who rebelled in the 1000's against the British and died doing so.

If they had loved Afghanistan so much they would have joined it or fought for it but they didnt.

Mirza Ali Khan was even betrayed by the Afghans when they closed down his supplie routes from Italy and Germany on the request of Soviet Union.

Same with when Pakistan went to war with India and Bengladesh, where was the might afghan brave army to save their so called brothers?

oh w8 they were busy on deciding how important is dari for them.

Kind Regards

Maseed I have been consistent on my views since the very beginning. I have not given them up for anyone (let alone users of this forum).

Ok good that you answered the question (finally). So on their citizenship card and identity what will they be known as? I.e. what constitutes a citizen and what doesn't? If they are not Pakhtuns, then what will be the name of a citizen of Loy Pakhtunkhwa?

[Shayesta]

If tajiks which make almost 33% (not negligible) of afghanistan population are also known as afghans then why should I call myself afghan.

If tomorrow Afghanistan will be named after Pakhtunistan (which is the same anyway) what will you change your name to then?

Afghanistan has done nothing for the unification of Pashtuns.

What has Pakhtunkhwa done so far?

You have been throughout your existance trying to learn Dari to look educated.

Isn't the exact same thing going in Pakhtunkhwa regarding English and Urdu?

Which Afghan leaders have supported Pashtunistan besdies Daud?

Which one Pakhtunkhwa governor has?

Why did your Army back down when the Pashtunistan issue become strong and hot?

When was that?

How can you expect us to follow an Afghanistan that promotes HAzaras and tajiks and uzbeks as Afghans but tell us to fight agaisnt Pakistan?

None is telling you to fight Pakistan; It's you Waziris who desire to fight against the entire world because, oh well, since you are Pukhtoon and that also a Waziri!

Tajiks are not a minority! they rule over you very openly!

You just worry about Punjabis and Urdu speakers, it will be more than enough for you to handle.

Even if Pakistan is gone, these Afghans will throw Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa into the trash can just as they did during the British era.

During British era it was just Abdur Rahman Khan who deceived Pukhtoons; During Taliban era it was nearly entire Pakhtunkhwa who supported barbarism, uncivilisation, illiteracy and unfairness against minority in Afghanistan by loving the Taliban.

If they had loved Afghanistan so much they would have joined it or fought for it but they didnt.

Then why you crying about Afghanistan not fighting to free Pakhtunkhwa from Pakistan? You yourself just admitted you yourself didn't want to be a part of Afghanistan, then why don't you just stop moaning and make up your mind?

Same with when Pakistan went to war with India and Bengladesh, where was the might afghan brave army to save their so called brothers?

Which brothers?; Bangalis or Indians?

oh w8 they were busy on deciding how important is dari for them.

And when will you decide how important humanity and realism actually is?

[afghan]

What Happened to your Army and your Government man?

Afghanistan has done nothing for the unification of Pashtuns.

You have been throughout your existance trying to learn Dari to look educated.

Which Afghan leaders have supported Pashtunistan besdies Daud?

Why did your Army back down when the Pashtunistan issue become strong and hot?

Afghan is not a PASHTUN STATE.

How can you expect us to follow an Afghanistan that promotes HAzaras and tajiks and uzbeks as Afghans but tell us to fight agaisnt Pakistan?

Tajiks are not a minority!
they rule over you very openly!

Kind Regards

i hope you read what you write.
i dont think you anything about afghanistan.

[Feroza_Banu]

khory. tol pukhtana yawo de. kho tar haghe pore harsa impossible na de che tar kame tasu tajikan da khpal sarono na kuz na kral.

manana

isn't it ironic that the above statement comes from you, someone who upon joining forum, openly announced his love for pakistan saying "i am a patriotic pakistani"...

zma pa khial ta bayad che dagha panjabian khpal da sar na kuz kai.

[Zarawar]

Tajikan mo da zra sarona dee, Sok chey zanta Pakistani waye, khodai de wakee pashtun sa chey wror me we, da Agha saree sara pa lara na zam, na tlalai yam, aw na ba wlarm sham.

[pukhtana]

Tajikan mo da zra sarona dee, Sok chey zanta Pakistani waye, khodai de wakee pashtun sa chey wror me we, da Agha saree sara pa lara na zam, na tlalai yam, aw na ba wlarm sham.

wrora ka ta dagha sey khabarey ka ye. we will never unify.

[Zarawar]

wrora ka ta dagha sey khabarey ka ye. we will never unify.

I'm not interested in that type of unity, even if the entire country switches sides and I'm left by myself.

It's either black or white in this case, you're either an AFGHAN(regardless of where you reside, Pashtunkhwa is an Afghan territory, ka da agha zai khalaq pe khoshala dee ka khapa dee)) or it's NO Afghan (even if you're a pashtun and still consider yourself a Pakistani etc)

The same goes with the Afghanistan Pashtuns and Tajiks etc, they are either going to live with it OR face the consequences.
We are not going to set down and dissect Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa further more...the matter is abused enough..

End of story, nor mo sogmo ta zan na rawalo, da gard forum amda khabaro newalai...

[Zarawar]

Can a Palestinian/Arab be an Israeli National? technically, yes!
Can and cannot be is not the question or concern...
it's more like , will they? because, nothing is possible without a will.
My response to your question is not going to change anything, that's why I'm going to skip it...not to mention, I wrote paragraphs stating an Afghan cannot be a Pakistani, it's just disgusting, we are not going to trade our millennium old history for a British (our historical rivals) created state that came into being during the life of our grand fathers.
It's not about what, one's personal perferance is regarding the issue. We have to look at it from all prospectives, what was Pakistan created for? What was the main goal behind the emergence of Pakistanism? who was behind the idea? what was achieved and what is the outcome of the existence of Pakistan. In other words, what were the intentions behind breaking Afghanistan in first place, then letting our Pashtunkhwa brother be adopted by Pakistani parents. What good has those parents done to Pashtuns? Can they speak Pashtu in their public institutions (Colleges/schools and offices). Do you enjoy the same freedom they did when they were a part of Afghanistan, does Pakistan contribute any time or energy for the promotion of Pashtu language and Pashtuns?

[ayub]

^ you are under some false impression that Afghanistan is a paradise for pakthuns but sadly it is not. We should stop living in history. We should live today and the realities which surround us. Afghanistan is no longer Pakthun country. It stopped being when AfghanIstani Pakthuns sold themselves to Farsiwan Nd there culture. Sad. Very sad.

[Zarawar]

^ you are under some false impression that Afghanistan is a paradise for pakthuns but sadly it is not. We should stop living in history. We should live today and the realities which surround us. Afghanistan is no longer Pakthun country. It stopped being when AfghanIstani Pakthuns sold themselves to Farsiwan Nd there culture. Sad. Very sad.

It is paradise, compared to Pakistan, I give you my word come check it out...you won't have to know farsi to speak to our puppet president or any of the ministers. While your at it, go back to Pakistan and try to speak Pashtu with Zardari or Musharaf lol
They will probably look around and tell the Camera-crew, did you bring us here to listen to this bullcrap (Pashtu) ?
that's just a minor example!
Now, imagine visiting Afghanistan, when our government is independent, when our government (capital kabul) has streets and Salor larey/traffic lights named after Pashtunistan, where there are neighborhoods like Khushal khan mena in Kabul, or the best high schools named after Rahman Baba.
when our government had special scholarships for the students of Pashtunkhwa, that's why ost of the ANP and other Pakhtun nationalists in Pashtunkhwa were educated in Kabul or Nangarhar university, including Mahmood Khan Achakzai.
There is a day called "PASHTUNISTAN DAY" that's celebrated in Afghanistan, with the presence of millions of other minorities.
You go do that in Islamabad or Rawalpindi and I'LL CHANGE MY IDENTITY FROM AFGHAN TO PASHTUN AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO A PAKISTANI.
I'm not going to talk about thousands of other MUST points like, our anthemn being in Pashtu, our military and other official terms being pashtu etc.

[Alia]

ayub is too uneducated to know that