Pashtuns of Pakistan discussion

[Fahd]

Take a look at Tajiks such as Pedram.

Tajiks have always hated and are against Pashtun domination of the areas.

Kind Regards

can u tell me what's going on ?
is there any one talk about pashtun ?
what they say ?

[Fahd]

tajik they get to go to afghanistan when russia fight with tajikistan
tajike get back to your home if u talking about pashton as they not afghan ?

afghan mean's pashtun go to wikipidia
hazara go to chaina or magol
hazara magol son's

persiwan i don't know
i think they r iranian or afghan's like us

[Shayesta]

Pashtuns could never unite due to people like you.

Is it? Do I have to support a lie or show a superiority complex to fit in 'your league'? What about people like those who call themselves patriotic Pakistanis? What about people like those who work and have worked for ISI? What about people like those who make lives of their fellow Pukhtoons (from Afghanistan) difficult in their second home called Pakhtunkhwa? Feel your own chest first, will ya?

People like you would always blame pashtuns for B.S.

Now at least you don't ignore this request of mine and point me with which BS I blamed Pukhtoons for? Go on, you have got plenty of time on your hands.

Its not about right or wrong. But about our own blood and unifying our glorious race.

If it's not about wrong or right, then you bothered about what's happening to who in Afghanistan? Our own blood has deceived us to an extend no Tajik and no Punjabi ever has, examples; Mullah Omar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Abdur Rahman Khan, Temor Shah Abdali, etcetera. Our own leaders have destroyed our image and future, and you are worried about just an forum member? By the way, even Bacha Khan was our own blood, what happened to Pakhtunkhwa's support regarding 'our own blood'?

No one can dare evil eye on pashtuns.

Stop living in fairy-tales and for goodness' sake open your eyes to the truth, because then you will see along with the entire world even Pukhtoons themselves have set their evil eye misfortune of Pukhtoons. Jeez!

Tajiks such as Shayesta are white washing the past.

Which past?

When Daud followed a Pashtunistan stance, her tajik brothers joined hands with Punjabi Pakistan to counter the Pashtunistan threat which resulted in Dauds government being limited in the Tajik areas of Panjshir valley.

LMAO, the first ever people to join anti-Daud Khan camps were Pukhtoons named Mullah Omar and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar!

She blaimes everything on pashtuns and says in other words Pashtun women in the North deserved being raped and killed by barbaric tajik savages.

Where did I blame Pukhtoons for 'everything' and where did I say it's okay for Pukhtanas in North to get raped? Could you proof this biased claim of yours? I explained the situation of North of the country and if you are willing to ignore the fact because that's hurting your Pukhtoon pride then that's your own bloody business.

due to Tajiks being betrayed by ISI they want us to join Afghanistan and then treat us the same way as Pakistan does by killing us and giving us second class citizenship.

Tajiks first of all don't want you to join Afghanistan and if you do anyway then they will do anything and everything to leave Afghanistan. Stop making absurd claims.

You know what else is funny haha is that she says the tajiks in Waziristan are from tajikistan and that and not from Afghanistan hahaha I seen with my own eyes they all have Afghan ID cards! lol!

I went to a school in Jalalabad and there were five Waziri men who showed me their ID cards to prove they are from Waziristan, and then started to kill all those kids in school and then blew off the school. See, without proves, even I can sound like an complete retard.

She has proven the typical attitude of tajiks and their plans to dominate and control the whole of Afghanistan by portraying them as national unifiers and the people who will defend Afghanistan more than Pashtuns etc.

If Tajiks wanted to rule entire Afghanistan, they wouldn't have left Iran for us. If they wanted to dominate entire Afghanistan, Northern Alliance very long time ago would have set it's governess in Southern Afghanistan. If they were only ones wanting to destroy Afghanistan, they wouldn't have made the largest group in the army. If they were only ones to destroy Afghanistan, their areas wouldn't be flourishing day by day. Tell me, have you ever heard of a Tajik blowing up schools in his area, or gifting female students with acid? Have ya?

These people dont have any shame.

Nor do people like you who, after seeing us in our lowest point ever, care the most about their false sense of pride and attitude.

My friend from Afghanistan couldnt join the ANA because HE COULD NOT SPEAK DARI. why do these people ignore such things

Tell your friend to first change the name of Rahim Wardak (defence minister) and then fool people around. Thanks.

Take a look at Tajiks such as Pedram.

You could also take a look at Pukhtoons like Taliban.

Tajiks have always hated and are against Pashtun domination of the areas.

Aren't you against Punjabi dominance in your area?

In other words; For every evil Pukhtoon there has been an evil Tajik, and for every evil Tajik there has been an evil Pukhtoon.

[Fahd]

Is it? Do I have to support a lie or show a superiority complex to fit in 'your league'? What about people like those who call themselves patriotic Pakistanis? What about people like those who work and have worked for ISI? What about people like those who make lives of their fellow Pukhtoons (from Afghanistan) difficult in their second home called Pakhtunkhwa? Feel your own chest first, will ya?


Now at least you don't ignore this request of mine and point me with which BS I blamed Pukhtoons for? Go on, you have got plenty of time on your hands.


If it's not about wrong or right, then you bothered about what's happening to who in Afghanistan? Our own blood has deceived us to an extend no Tajik and no Punjabi ever has, examples; Mullah Omar, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Abdur Rahman Khan, Temor Shah Abdali, etcetera. Our own leaders have destroyed our image and future, and you are worried about just an forum member? By the way, even Bacha Khan was our own blood, what happened to Pakhtunkhwa's support regarding 'our own blood'?


Stop living in fairy-tales and for goodness' sake open your eyes to the truth, because then you will see along with the entire world even Pukhtoons themselves have set their evil eye misfortune of Pukhtoons. Jeez!


Which past?


LMAO, the first ever people to join anti-Daud Khan camps were Pukhtoons named Mullah Omar and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar!


Where did I blame Pukhtoons for 'everything' and where did I say it's okay for Pukhtanas in North to get raped? Could you proof this biased claim of yours? I explained the situation of North of the country and if you are willing to ignore the fact because that's hurting your Pukhtoon pride then that's your own bloody business.


Tajiks first of all don't want you to join Afghanistan and if you do anyway then they will do anything and everything to leave Afghanistan. Stop making absurd claims.


I went to a school in Jalalabad and there were five Waziri men who showed me their ID cards to prove they are from Waziristan, and then started to kill all those kids in school and then blew off the school. See, without proves, even I can sound like an complete retard.


If Tajiks wanted to rule entire Afghanistan, they wouldn't have left Iran for us. If they wanted to dominate entire Afghanistan, Northern Alliance very long time ago would have set it's governess in Southern Afghanistan. If they were only ones wanting to destroy Afghanistan, they wouldn't have made the largest group in the army. If they were only ones to destroy Afghanistan, their areas wouldn't be flourishing day by day. Tell me, have you ever heard of a Tajik blowing up schools in his area, or gifting female students with acid? Have ya?


Nor do people like you who, after seeing us in our lowest point ever, care the most about their false sense of pride and attitude.


.Tell your friend to first change the name of Rahim Wardak (defence minister) and then fool people around. Thanks


You could also take a look at Pukhtoons like Taliban.


Aren't you against Punjabi dominance in your area?

In other words; For every evil Pukhtoon there has been an evil Tajik, and for every evil Tajik there has been an evil Pukhtoon.

afghanistan for pashtun
afghan's mean pashton
we have alot of war by those tajik parswaan
ahmad shah masoood
......dostam (he's not abdul rashid because he's evil )
rabani

taliban who Fighting for us for our blood's
taliban make us proud of afghanistan
taliban now understand that they was wrong in 1994-2001
but now they well get back To the throne
what u see in tv or what u hurt about them is cruntly wrong
there some people who go to taliban when they win and when they lose go to amirca and karazi

[Toramana]

Shayesta, although I agree with you that Tajaks are not that much of a menace as Punjabis are still their unbound animosity towards Pashtuns cannot be ignored. Also, it is true that in recent times, Tajaks haven't tried to invade the Pashtun south, nevertheless they wouldn't waste a moment to do that if ever they got a chance.

Your knowledge of history is also parochial and sort of limited to the past 3 centuries. What beyond that? Isn't it the fact that since recorded history, non-Pashtuns have been trying to capture the Pashtun land? What about Mahmood of Ghazna (a Turk), Shahabuddin Ghori(Tajak), Amir Taimur (Mongol-Hazara), Nadir Shah Qachar (Turko-Persian), Safavids, etc.? Are these only Pashtuns have done colonialization in history?

What about Tajaks links to Iran, Russia (Faheem), Tajakistan, etc., Dostum's links to Russia, Uzbakistan, Turkey, etc., and Hazara's links to Shia Iran?

Are Tajaks and other non-Pashtuns doing all that we see to establish their hold over things in Afghanistan or out of Afghan patriotism? Isn't it the fact that they are more interested in Kabul than in Afghanistan?

Why did the Tajak generals rushed to occupy Kabul even before the last Russian soldier had not left Afghanistan?

[Shayesta]

Dont you remember how dostum burnt up pashtuns in containers.

Yes I do, they were said to be Taliban but I don't doubt there were innocents amongst them as well because that's type of dog Abdul Rashid Dostum was. During the war between seven Hizbs of Mujahideen, he even killed his own Uzbeks in order to please his Russian masters by gaining full control on Balkh. He lost his influence in Balkh because Tajiks stood up against the unfairness he was facing Tajiks with.

Rahim wardak is just a name. He is a puppet like karzai. Northern alliance still holds the power.

And isn't Rahim Wardak a Pukhtoon? Exactly! Name just one Tajik who will do anything to deceive his own qawm in today's time, and I will name you hundreds of Pukhtoons in return. And that's the point I am trying to make all these time; Pukhtoons and Pukhtoons only are the only ethnic who can deceive their own tribes, only Pukhtoons.

although I agree with you that Tajaks are not that much of a menace as Punjabis are still their unbound animosity towards Pashtuns cannot be ignored.

And nor am I ignoring it. If you had followed this discussion from the beginning then you would have seen that my entire explanation is about the North since Taliban regime.

Also, it is true that in recent times, Tajaks haven't tried to invade the Pashtun south, nevertheless they wouldn't waste a moment to do that if ever they got a chance.

They actually did get a chance; Try to remember the weakness of Pukhtoons right after US invasion? Even today they can set their army in South but all they are interested in is saving the North from Pukhtoon influence, just like how we would like to do the same regarding them.

Your knowledge of history is also parochial and sort of limited to the past 3 centuries.

That's because nearly three centuries ago we got a country we could actually of our own; Today's Afghanistan and that's why only last three centuries matter. When Afghanistan parted from Iran, it were Tajiks who were a part of Ahmad Shah Abdali's army because they didn't want to be forced to convert to the Shia sect of Islam by Iranians. Why did Temor Shah Abdali decided to change the capital from Kandahar to Kabul? Because even back then Tajiks had no problem with Pukhtoons.

What about Tajaks links to Iran, Russia (Faheem), Tajakistan, etc., Dostum's links to Russia, Uzbakistan, Turkey, etc., and Hazara's links to Shia Iran?

This is what you get when a country is in war; Division. Even Najibullah had links to Russia and even Taliban had links to Pakistan. Wouldn't Pukhtoons of Afghanistan try it's level best for unity with Pakhtunkhwa if we were stable? Since Tajiks are stable today, they are also doing just that. Trying for unity with their fellow Persians.

Why did the Tajak generals rushed to occupy Kabul even before the last Russian soldier had not left Afghanistan?

That's what even Pukhtoons and Hazaras did. Only Dostum tried to maintain his power in Mazar, for the rest, everyone was after Kabul and once again, that's what war will do to you.

[Fahd]

Who can cool the heart of this man
by what happend for him and his family by isaf
who can with out our brother's taliban

[Fahd]

[amna.]

Sher Khan this war has already united us. We now realized that we can't trust Tajiks or Punjabis.

Americans invaded us and Tajiks hided. Pakhtunkhwa got hit with a flood and not a single Punjabi cares.

[amna.]

Shayesta, although I agree with you that Tajaks are not that much of a menace as Punjabis are still their unbound animosity towards Pashtuns cannot be ignored. Also, it is true that in recent times, Tajaks haven't tried to invade the Pashtun south, nevertheless they wouldn't waste a moment to do that if ever they got a chance.

Your knowledge of history is also parochial and sort of limited to the past 3 centuries. What beyond that? Isn't it the fact that since recorded history, non-Pashtuns have been trying to capture the Pashtun land? What about Mahmood of Ghazna (a Turk), Shahabuddin Ghori(Tajak), Amir Taimur (Mongol-Hazara), Nadir Shah Qachar (Turko-Persian), Safavids, etc.? Are these only Pashtuns have done colonialization in history?

What about Tajaks links to Iran, Russia (Faheem), Tajakistan, etc., Dostum's links to Russia, Uzbakistan, Turkey, etc., and Hazara's links to Shia Iran?

Are Tajaks and other non-Pashtuns doing all that we see to establish their hold over things in Afghanistan or out of Afghan patriotism? Isn't it the fact that they are more interested in Kabul than in Afghanistan?

Why did the Tajak generals rushed to occupy Kabul even before the last Russian soldier had not left Afghanistan?

I agree we do not have to sugercoat to make things look pretty. Politically Tajiks are our enemies, they hate our language, they hate our culture and they look at us like we are their rivals.

Isn't it obvious enough since they tried to reate a parliament full of them only, An Army full of them only and they went as far as saying in an interview I said last week, 'I hope Pashtuns stop being terrorists'.

[Saifullah]

^sher khan why complain about them, it is expected from them. Nobody is gonna help pashtuns except pashtuns. Allah doesnt change a nation unless it changes itself.

We need to stop complaining about people who hate us. Like i said if somebody hates you are you gonna expect flowers from them? Gile makawa

[Saifullah]

So wats the difference in being a nationalist terrorist or a religious terrorist?

[Saifullah]

but u can be misused in the name of Islam and you can be misused in the name of pukhto/nationalism...one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist..

[afghan]

the dream of pashtunistan died with bacha khan, i dont know what is loya pashtunkhwah? but still there is no true leadership of pashtun to take it forward. pashtuns of pashtunkhwah had couople of optionsin the past, loy Afghanistan, pashtunistan, and loy pashtunistan. what happened to those agnedas. yeh another point, afghan leaders have strongly supported all the options.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

If tajiks which make almost 33% (not negligible) of afghanistan population are also known as afghans then why should I call myself afghan.

Peera when you get Loy Pakhtunkhwa, what will the name of the citizens of Pashtunkhwa be called?