Taliban supporters and Pakistan

[DSM0305]

There is something I have been wondering. What is the reason that Taliban supporters hate Pakistan. I can understand that ordinary Afghans who dislike the insurgency would hate Pakistan, but what is the reason for Taliban supporters...

Pakistanis is actively supports Taliban and any other insurgency in Afghanistan, so any Taliban sympathizers should be thrilled to hear 'Pakistan'.

This is exactly what I dislike about Taliban sympathizers. There is no logic behind their thoughts. They're like those trend loving girls, who loves what ever that is 'popular'. They love Taliban, but dislike Pakistan because it is a 'popular' thing among the people.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

There is something I have been wondering. What is the reason that Taliban supporters hate Pakistan. I can understand that ordinary Afghans who dislike the insurgency would hate Pakistan, but what is the reason for Taliban supporters...

Pakistanis is actively supports Taliban and any other insurgency in Afghanistan, so any Taliban sympathizers should be thrilled to hear 'Pakistan'.

This is exactly what I dislike about Taliban sympathizers. There is no logic behind their thoughts. They're like those trend loving girls, who loves what ever that is 'popular'. They love Taliban, but dislike Pakistan because it is a 'popular' thing among the people.

This is a very obtuse and loaded question. In warfare, there is a saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and what not.

One could go further and say "Why does Hamid Karzai and his acolyte bunch hate America and claim that they are not friendly when they are the force that installed and prop up his regime?

We have moments where Karzai has:

In previous speeches, he has threatened to join the Taliban and called his NATO allies occupiers who want to plunder Afghanistan's resources.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Sunday accused the Taliban and the U.S. of working in concert to convince Afghans that violence will worsen if most foreign troops leave – an allegation the top American commander in Afghanistan rejected as "categorically false."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/10/karzai-taliban-us-afghanistan-2014_n_2847487.html

So why is Hamida Bibi acting so schizophrenically? Does that mean that he wants to now join a force whose goals supposedly perfectly align with Pakistan? And even worse, kif he views the Americans as their handlers... then by logical extension that means he recognizes they are the hand behind Pakistan who in turn is the hand behind the Taliban - yet he is following their same historical trajectory in building his nation state. Or perhaps even his behavior 20 years prior:

One reason the assault went so easily was the work Karzai had done ahead of time. The strongest commander in Kandahar was a thick-bearded tribal elder named Mullah Naqib. For weeks before what amounted to the Taliban invasion, he and others told me, Karzai argued with him to stand his men down so the Taliban could come in. "He told me it was the best thing for Afghanistan," Mullah Naqib recalled in 2004. "He said the Americans supported this." Without Mullah Naqib's tribesmen, no fighting force would last long against the ISI-supported Taliban.

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb/09/opinion/la-oe-chayes-karzai-20140209

We could see why ordinary occupied Afghans whose family members have had their doors kicked down, their privacy violated, and their womenfolk shot in the belly might have issues with American presence and troops and power project, but why does Hamida Bibi?:

http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/features/afghanistan-pakistan/6238-made-in-america-the-gardez-massacre

At one time, Pakistan and Karzai and the Peshawar 7's goals and interests all aligned in the 1980s and they more than happily worked together for the same end goal during that era - does that make Hamida also an illogical person?

The Taliban may have their goals, just as Karzai has his goals, and each takes arms and caches of weapons and what not from their handlers - without complete eclipse of perhaps even 10% of what they want at the end of the day.

This is what I dislike about Afghan governmental supporters (and Taliban supporters), they may say there is no logic with a lack of insightful thought put into a question, but operate in illogic instead and ahistorical assumptions.

[khushal]

Why do the Taliban target the Pak army?

Lets be honest here: The Insurgency Truly represent the people of the region including the Tajik people and the Panjabi people, the difference is that the Pashtun are more independent minded and natured because of an armed tribal structured society vs the Tajik and Panjabi feudal structured society which prevents them from being independent from the elites that rule them which is why the insurgency is much stronger with Pashtuns.
The feudal elites can deliver their people wholesale price to the hegemonic power while the Tribal elites can only do so at retail price which is why the pashtun is difficult and expensive to pacify and control for long term.

The Insurgency(the people) are the only ones that attack the Afghan gov, the Pak gov (who neither work for their people nor represent them) and NATO who is the hegemonic power which is why NATO policy makers, the afghan gov and the Pak gov(who in the past has used the peoples grievances for its own strategic interests but has lost control of it) have all united to either pacify the Insurgency(which hasn't worked for the past 14 years) or negotiated with them.

NATO should have realized this from the beginning and negotiated rather than take the illogical route which caused blood and monetary treasure that could have all been avoided.

[ComradePashtun]

Only TTP does, the Afghan Talibs are ISI puppets. Thank you very much.

[ComradePashtun]

Pashtun society is in disarray and in decline due to Talibs you joker. Pashtun society practically by any measure is in worse state than any other society, it yet to would decline further where Talibs influence will reign in. Read the article and feel proud of yourself.

ByMohammad Humayoon Zaheen On May 21, 2015 - 18:48
FARAH CITY (Pajhwok): The Taliban have allowed schools in the Bakwah district of western Farah province to resume operating under the condition that as many religious seminaries should be established, tribal elders said on Thursday.

Abdullah Bakwahi, a tribal elder in Shan village, told Pajhwok Afghan News that two primary schools had been established in the town 37 years ago but they ceased functioning during the 1992 civil war.

Local officials said a school was made functional in the district about eight years ago, but it was closed after a landmine blast.

Bakwahi said the provincial education department had recently launched 18 classes in mosques in various areas being taught Islamiat and Pashtu subjects by a teacher.

He said Bakwah was a large district with a population of more than 4000 people mostly youth, but all the population remained deprived of education.

“The economic situation of our people is not good. Residents cannot send their children to the provincial capital or Pakistan and Iran for education. We will welcome if the government reopens schools here.”

He said the Taliban had long been opposing reopening of schools, but now they had agreed to their reopening.

The Taliban have said nothing about their willingness to allow schools in Bakwah to be reopened, but they have ordered schools shut in most of areas they control.

Abdul Zahir, the district reconstruction head, confirmed Bakwahi statement, saying local elders had negotiated the issue with the Taliban’s local commander about two months ago.

He said the Taliban had allowed reopening of schools in the town by the government under the condition that religious seminaries equaling the number of schools should be set up.

Another tribal elder and resident of Ghaziabad village, Mohammad Yunas, said local residents had welcomed the Taliban’s decision to allow the schools to be reopened.

“It is our collective desire that schools must be functional in the district,” he said.

He said the lack of schools in the district had rendered all children and youth illiterate and many young people had started using drugs.

The elder said people were ready to provide security if the government established more schools in the district.

A day earlier, tribal elders from the Bakwah district met with the provincial governor, Mohammad Asif Nang, and informed him about the Taliban’s decision.

Nang expressed pleasure with the development and said Taliban’s opposition to the schools had been the main hurdle. He said the government would establish buildings for seven schools in the district using the available resources.

The new academic year starts in Farah about four months later. Bakwah is northeast of Farah City, the provincial capital, and is the most volatile district.

- See more at: http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2015/05/21....OscAa317.dpuf

[ComradePashtun]

Talib haramis are denying the right to simple education, what a travesty. Hagha sha talib hum da khra zoy dai.

[khushal]

Only TTP does, the Afghan Talibs are ISI puppets. Thank you very much.

The Afghan taliban gives sanctuary to the pakistan taliban.

WAZIRISTAN, Pakistan (AP) — The Afghan Taliban are financially supporting Pakistani militants at war with Islamabad and providing sanctuary for them in neighboring Afghanistan, the Pakistani Taliban's spokesman said,

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-taliban-supporting-pakistani-militants-131808691.html

[khushal]

Talib haramis are denying the right to simple education, what a travesty. Hagha sha talib hum da khra zoy dai.

Your article is saying that they are allowing schools you dimwit.

[ComradePashtun]

It might be a propaganda as TTP might be simply trying to run wedge betweem ISI and its puppets. Mullah donkey the ameer al jahileen have condemned and discredited TTP on few occasions where he has urged them abstain from fighting Pakistani army. Nothing can change the fact that ISI is the handler of Afghan Talibs and they are their puppets.

[ComradePashtun]

Your article is saying that they are allowing schools you dimwit.

You would respond like a typical knucklehead. They had banned schools and denied the children of the region opportunity of basic education for the last thirteen years. They have only agreed to allow schools reopen on the condition if as many religious seminaries the government will also open which they would want to turn into child producing suicide factory. Read again you knob head. You are and your Talib boyfriends are not fit for 21st century.

[Insight]

There is something I have been wondering. What is the reason that Taliban supporters hate Pakistan. I can understand that ordinary Afghans who dislike the insurgency would hate Pakistan, but what is the reason for Taliban supporters...

Pakistanis is actively supports Taliban and any other insurgency in Afghanistan, so any Taliban sympathizers should be thrilled to hear 'Pakistan'.

This is exactly what I dislike about Taliban sympathizers. There is no logic behind their thoughts. They're like those trend loving girls, who loves what ever that is 'popular'. They love Taliban, but dislike Pakistan because it is a 'popular' thing among the people.

The issue here is that you are equating those opposed to the US/NATO war/military intervention in Afghanistan to being a Taliban supporter or sympathizer. That being Anti-War equates to being pro-Taliban and by some odd logic Pro-Pakistan. In fact, being Pro-US war is being Pro-Pakistan. Pakistan made billions of US dollars from the US/NATO military intervention.

Pakistan supported the US/NATO (of 50+ NATO nations) war with NATO supply lines and use of airspace, and Pakistan permitted and requests US drone strikes on FATA. The US/NATO war and the Kabul puppet regime would not have existed even in its weakened from had Pakistan not provided the use of airspace and NATO supply routes.

As for the insurgency, it is known that Pakistan gives support to certain factions of the insurgency (for its own interests), but Pakistan made the US/NATO war possible in the first place, which is the only reason the insurgency exists. The insurgency also gets support from Iran (proven by Wikileaks). Generally, insurgencies (wherever they exist) take support from whomever offers it. Do you consider Pakistan enabling of the NATO war (50+ NATO nations) as not interference?

It took President Obama to decide on a full US withdrawal against his generals wishes, and the wishes of both the Pak army and the Kabul puppet regime.

[khushal]

You would respond like a typical knucklehead. They had banned schools and denied the children of the region opportunity of basic education for the last thirteen years. They have only agreed to allow schools reopen on the condition if as many religious seminaries the government will also open which they would want to turn into child producing suicide factory. Read again you knob head. You are and your Talib boyfriends are not fit for 21st century.

Your forcing your own education on people that dont want it. You are doing what the soviets were doing by shoving an ideology down peoples throats. You are not fit for the human world. Take yourself and your miserable existence where there are no humans.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I want to ask a question from Ghani supporters: Mention all the reasons why you hate Pakistan.

Just give me a list of all the reasons why you think Pakistan is bad.

[DSM0305]

I want to ask a question from Ghani supporters: Mention all the reasons why you hate Pakistan.

Just give me a list of all the reasons why you think Pakistan is bad.

Supporting insurgency. That is the only reason I dislike Pakistan.

[DSM0305]

The issue here is that you are equating those opposed to the US/NATO war/military intervention in Afghanistan to being a Taliban supporter or sympathizer. That being Anti-War equates to being pro-Taliban and by some odd logic Pro-Pakistan. In fact, being Pro-US war is being Pro-Pakistan. Pakistan made billions of US dollars from the US/NATO military intervention.

Pakistan supported the US/NATO (of 50+ NATO nations) war with NATO supply lines and use of airspace, and Pakistan permitted and requests US drone strikes on FATA. The US/NATO war and the Kabul puppet regime would not have existed even in its weakened from had Pakistan not provided the use of airspace and NATO supply routes.

As for the insurgency, it is known that Pakistan gives support to certain factions of the insurgency (for its own interests), but Pakistan made the US/NATO war possible in the first place, which is the only reason the insurgency exists. The insurgency also gets support from Iran (proven by Wikileaks). Generally, insurgencies (wherever they exist) take support from whomever offers it. Do you consider Pakistan enabling of the NATO war (50+ NATO nations) as not interference?

It took President Obama to decide on a full US withdrawal against his generals wishes, and the wishes of both the Pak army and the Kabul puppet regime.

I specifically mean those who support insurgency/Taliban. Basically what I mean; If Pakistan supports Taliban. Why wouldn't those who support Taliban, also support Pakistan.
What I noticed is that Taliban supporters dislike Pakistan as well. Which I don't get since they have one thing in common, and that is supporting Taliban.