Taliban supporters and Pakistan

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Supporting insurgency. That is the only reason I dislike Pakistan.

That's all? So if Pakistan stops supporting Taliban, you will have no qualms with Pakistan?

Punjab occupies and exploits the land of poor people (Baluchistan) and keeps their population under medieval laws (FCR in FATA). Pakistan oppresses ethnic Afghans and Afghan refugees and treats them like animals.

You call yourself a Muslim, while Pakistan has a constitution based on Kufr and all sorts of shirk & kufr are widespread. The country is basically a brothel and and a polytheist temple all in one.

You have no problem with all of that. You just want the bald guy's Kabul municipality to continue its serving as the proxy of America at any cost.

Isn't it marvelous?

Compared to you, Punjabi wannabe's like those paki nationalists here are far more noble. At least they care about something meaningful.

[DSM0305]

That's all? So if Pakistan stops supporting Taliban, you will have no qualms with Pakistan?

Punjab occupies and exploits the land of poor people (Baluchistan) and keeps their population under medieval laws (FCR in FATA). Pakistan oppresses ethnic Afghans and Afghan refugees and treats them like animals.

You call yourself a Muslim, while Pakistan has a constitution based on Kufr and all sorts of shirk & kufr are widespread. The country is basically a brothel and and a polytheist temple all in one.

You have no problem with all of that. You just want the bald guy's Kabul municipality to continue its serving as the proxy of America at any cost.

Isn't it marvelous?

Compared to you, Punjabi wannabe's like those paki nationalists here are far more noble. At least they care about something meaningful.

Pin point a single country that doesn't have issues. Whatever you just mention above; Pakistanis will tell you otherwise.

I used to care about FATA, Baloch, Pashtuns etc. but they themselves seems to not mind, so I did what an adult will do. Let them handle their own situation. If I myself dislike when foreign nations meddling in Afghan affairs, then who am I to meddle in theirs.

Last time the Afghan government meddled in Pakistani affairs, we got kicked out by the Tribal Pashtuns from Pakistan. They closed the trade route and made thousands starve to death. And then supported insurgency and prolonging the war.

If these Pakistanis are happy with their country, then no one have the right to chose a different fate for them. If you're calling yourself a noble Muslim hero of justice, then perhaps you should focus on what happening in Myanmar.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Pin point a single country that doesn't have issues. Whatever you just mention above; Pakistanis will tell you otherwise.

I used to care about FATA, Baloch, Pashtuns etc. but they themselves seems to not mind, so I did what an adult will do. Let them handle their own situation. If I myself dislike when foreign nations meddling in Afghan affairs, then who am I to meddle in theirs.

Last time the Afghan government meddled in Pakistani affairs, we got kicked out by the Tribal Pashtuns from Pakistan. They closed the trade route and made thousands starve to death. And then supported insurgency and prolonging the war.

If these Pakistanis are happy with their country, then no one have the right to chose a different fate for them. If you're calling yourself a noble Muslim hero of justice, then perhaps you should focus on what happening in Myanmar.

I care about Myanmar just as much as I care about Pakistan. But I care more about Afghanistan.

it's funny, you mention foreign meddling in your country. The bald midget was appointed as president by John Kerry and the frog-eyed pimp as CEO.

You have no problem with thousands of Afghans being bombed by America, you don't mind seeing innocent people who often oppose Taliban ending up in jail, you don't care about poverty and starvation caused by corrupt regime and the occupying forces.

You are only bothered with those who are fed up and take up arms against the regime. You are bothered by Pakistan assisting them.

If Pakistan's meddling in Afghanistan's business is nefarious, how about America who sponsors the corrupt puppet regime in Kabul?

Last time I checked, most of my people died from the injustice caused by warlords and americans, not a few peasants with turbans and rusty old AK's.

[DSM0305]

I care about Myanmar just as much as I care about Pakistan. But I care more about Afghanistan.

Then you have get your priority right. At least if you call yourself Muslim, noble and a human.

it's funny, you mention foreign meddling in your country. The bald midget was appointed as president by John Kerry and the frog-eyed pimp as CEO.

God bless him for doing so. The biggest threat for Afghans are Afghans themselves. A million more Afghans would have died if he didn't intervene.
Economic problems, brainwashed suicidal Taliban, Warlords, drug dealers, drug addicts, Pakistani threat, Iranian threat, corruption, fascists. Adding another hundred years of civil war wouldn't ease any problems.
So I highly doubt that John Kerry compromising between these two is such a big deal. Considering the fact that he wouldn't need to if Afghans could solve their problems without cutting each others throats.

You have no problem with thousands of Afghans being bombed by America, you don't mind seeing innocent people who often oppose Taliban ending up in jail, you don't care about poverty and starvation caused by corrupt regime and the occupying forces.

I find it hilarious how you try to convince me with your empty rhetoric. I have been living in Afghanistan throughout all regimes, so I know when a lie is thrown for the sake of the rhetoric by people like you.
If you're talking about starvation then the Taliban rule would have been the worst nightmare. Not even a single glass of clean water was available. Toilet paper was a luxury not even the rich could get hands on. One had to clean his back door with sand rock.

And civilian casualties, wow. Don't get me even started on that. Don't want to make this post long, but let me tell you that Taliban have caused 10 times more civilian casualties than all the international forces and the Afghan government combined.

You are only bothered with those who are fed up and take up arms against the regime. You are bothered by Pakistan assisting them.

I wish it was some lunatics who were bothered or fed up with the regime. Sadly the reality is far different. There is 3 kind of insurgency in Afghanistan.
1. Is the brainwashed guys who think their fight is for some higher purpose.
2. Is the power hungry people who will do anything to gain power, and I mean ANYTHING
3. Is the foreigners who fight for something they themselves have no idea what is.

If Pakistan's meddling in Afghanistan's business is nefarious, how about America who sponsors the corrupt puppet regime in Kabul?

The US is supporting a democratic government in Afghanistan, and haven't done anything to compromise the Afghan sovereignty. The same way they're supporting all other nations in the world with 80+ billion of dollars. The same way they gave money during the Taliban regime as well. Whether the Afghan people themselves are corrupts has nothing to do with the foreigners. Maybe you should ask the Taliban why they're empowering the same corruption that their supporters criticizing the Afghan government for.
If your Taliban is so justice driven then why don't they make peace and eliminate corruption. Also last time I checked their main issue weren't corruption, but rather the fact that ''jews'' were in Afghanistan... Yeah, they believe it is the jews who are in Afghanistan, Yahudian as it is called in Afghanistan.

Last time I checked, most of my people died from the injustice caused by warlords and americans, not a few peasants with turbans and rusty old AK's.

Then check again. One can only wish they were peasants with turbans, but sadly they're demons with human skin. ''Your people'' got hanged in the trees, head cut off for being in the wrong place in a wrong time by these ''peasants with turbans''.

perhaps if they did like Pakistanis. Forcing millions out of their home and denying them access to other provinces in their own country. Making woman and children walk hundreds of miles without food and water, literally killing them by exhaustion. Afterward bombing anyone who is remained. Destroying their livestock, houses and cities just to make a point. Afterward forcing them to sign a paper or else banishing them from their own country. Maybe then they will yell pro Afghanistan slogans the same way the Pashtuns in Pakistan yell pro Pakistani slogans.

[tilla_jogian]

That's all? So if Pakistan stops supporting Taliban, you will have no qualms with Pakistan?

Punjab occupies and exploits the land of poor people (Baluchistan) and keeps their population under medieval laws (FCR in FATA). Pakistan oppresses ethnic Afghans and Afghan refugees and treats them like animals.

You call yourself a Muslim, while Pakistan has a constitution based on Kufr and all sorts of shirk & kufr are widespread. The country is basically a brothel and and a polytheist temple all in one.

You have no problem with all of that. You just want the bald guy's Kabul municipality to continue its serving as the proxy of America at any cost.

Isn't it marvelous?

Compared to you, Punjabi wannabe's like those paki nationalists here are far more noble. At least they care about something meaningful.

So much bs in one post, as far treating afghani refugees like animals. Sorry but we are not like Iranis who treat afghani refugees like dogs, only now there has been crackdown on them after Peshawar attack in which 2 afghanis, 3 arabs and 1 chechen was involved. Only few thousand at best has been deported out of millions, the crackdown is basically to check illegal afghan refugees.

As far as FATA pashtuns are concerned, here is school in Torkham on Pak- Afghan border.



"A fiercely patriotic sign at Torkham border between Afghanistan and Pakistan."

No one forced them to paint that. You guys are in for a shock if you ever visit FATA.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1183773/travel-diary-a-boys-club-in-landi-kotal

Baloch insurgency has been reduced considerably. FATA has been cleared of terrorists and bomb making factories. Everything is going according to plan.

[randolph85]

There is something I have been wondering. What is the reason that Taliban supporters hate Pakistan. I can understand that ordinary Afghans who dislike the insurgency would hate Pakistan, but what is the reason for Taliban supporters...

Pakistanis is actively supports Taliban and any other insurgency in Afghanistan, so any Taliban sympathizers should be thrilled to hear 'Pakistan'.

This is exactly what I dislike about Taliban sympathizers. There is no logic behind their thoughts. They're like those trend loving girls, who loves what ever that is 'popular'. They love Taliban, but dislike Pakistan because it is a 'popular' thing among the people.

The Taliban and Pakistan depend on each other for different reasons. One side gives sanctuary to the other in the hopes that it will be a client state against Indian interests and the other uses Pakistan's delusions of Afghanistan becoming a province of Pakistan to use its territory and favor.

The Taliban only work with Pakistan because their survival as a military force depends on safe sanctuary, not because they care for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis probably don't care for Pakistan for that matter. If you look objectively at the Taliban-Pakistan relationship, who has actually gotten the better of this arrangement? The Paki state has seen regime change, losses to their economy which are unmeasurable, foreign strikes, loss of prestige, isolation, uncontrollable militant groups who swear allegiance to the Afghan Taliban, loss of military and civilian life. This rag tag Taliban is still a force 20 plus years later because of Pakis delusions of grandeur.

I have never heard the Taliban bestow such beautiful words on Pakistan as Ghani or Karzai ever have.

The Mujahadin of the 80s didn't love America and America didn't love it, same with the Karzai/America relationship.

[Khostai]

Your forcing your own education on people that dont want it. You are doing what the soviets were doing by shoving an ideology down peoples throats. You are not fit for the human world. Take yourself and your miserable existence where there are no humans.

Nobody forced taliban to attend school, they can be the dum idiots of this world, nobody is forcing them, its your subhuman trash that forces their **** on others.

[marwat]

Then you have get your priority right. At least if you call yourself Muslim, noble and a human.

God bless him for doing so. The biggest threat for Afghans are Afghans themselves. A million more Afghans would have died if he didn't intervene.
Economic problems, brainwashed suicidal Taliban, Warlords, drug dealers, drug addicts, Pakistani threat, Iranian threat, corruption, fascists. Adding another hundred years of civil war wouldn't ease any problems.
So I highly doubt that John Kerry compromising between these two is such a big deal. Considering the fact that he wouldn't need to if Afghans could solve their problems without cutting each others throats.

I find it hilarious how you try to convince me with your empty rhetoric. I have been living in Afghanistan throughout all regimes, so I know when a lie is thrown for the sake of the rhetoric by people like you.
If you're talking about starvation then the Taliban rule would have been the worst nightmare. Not even a single glass of clean water was available. Toilet paper was a luxury not even the rich could get hands on. One had to clean his back door with sand rock.

And civilian casualties, wow. Don't get me even started on that. Don't want to make this post long, but let me tell you that Taliban have caused 10 times more civilian casualties than all the international forces and the Afghan government combined.
I wish it was some lunatics who were bothered or fed up with the regime. Sadly the reality is far different. There is 3 kind of insurgency in Afghanistan.
1. Is the brainwashed guys who think their fight is for some higher purpose.
2. Is the power hungry people who will do anything to gain power, and I mean ANYTHING
3. Is the foreigners who fight for something they themselves have no idea what is.
The US is supporting a democratic government in Afghanistan, and haven't done anything to compromise the Afghan sovereignty. The same way they're supporting all other nations in the world with 80+ billion of dollars. The same way they gave money during the Taliban regime as well. Whether the Afghan people themselves are corrupts has nothing to do with the foreigners. Maybe you should ask the Taliban why they're empowering the same corruption that their supporters criticizing the Afghan government for.
If your Taliban is so justice driven then why don't they make peace and eliminate corruption. Also last time I checked their main issue weren't corruption, but rather the fact that ''jews'' were in Afghanistan... Yeah, they believe it is the jews who are in Afghanistan, Yahudian as it is called in Afghanistan.
Then check again. One can only wish they were peasants with turbans, but sadly they're demons with human skin. ''Your people'' got hanged in the trees, head cut off for being in the wrong place in a wrong time by these ''peasants with turbans''.

perhaps if they did like Pakistanis. Forcing millions out of their home and denying them access to other provinces in their own country. Making woman and children walk hundreds of miles without food and water, literally killing them by exhaustion. Afterward bombing anyone who is remained. Destroying their livestock, houses and cities just to make a point. Afterward forcing them to sign a paper or else banishing them from their own country. Maybe then they will yell pro Afghanistan slogans the same way the Pashtuns in Pakistan yell pro Pakistani slogans.

absolutely brilliant, shamlawar don't care as it goes against his core belief. now Barakzai my favorite will jump with some random quotes bashing communist and praising some random rebellion in northern america and will generalize the whole scenario, Ghani is responsible for Afghanistan mess and Mullah Omar is considered the only saviors. the love circle continue.

[marwat]

So much bs in one post, as far treating afghani refugees like animals. Sorry but we are not like Iranis who treat afghani refugees like dogs, only now there has been crackdown on them after Peshawar attack in which 2 afghanis, 3 arabs and 1 chechen was involved. Only few thousand at best has been deported out of millions, the crackdown is basically to check illegal afghan refugees.

As far as FATA pashtuns are concerned, here is school in Torkham on Pak- Afghan border.



"A fiercely patriotic sign at Torkham border between Afghanistan and Pakistan."

No one forced them to paint that. You guys are in for a shock if you ever visit FATA.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1183773/travel-diary-a-boys-club-in-landi-kotal

Baloch insurgency has been reduced considerably. FATA has been cleared of terrorists and bomb making factories. Everything is going according to plan.

that is not a school idiot, this is a check post. here lives the paid khasadar recruited by British and handed over to Jinnah. this sign clearly show FATA society is an oppressed society.

[tilla_jogian]

that is not a school idiot, this is a check post. here lives the paid khasadar recruited by British and handed over to Jinnah. this sign clearly show FATA society is an oppressed society.

But message is clear don't you think?

[marwat]

But message is clear don't you think?

since i caught you brain dead, so don't act like you have some fun. the message is clear yes, that is the reason these kharsadar were begging for mercy when taliban were slaughtering them. do you want me to post some videos to have some fun?

[khushal]

The Taliban and Pakistan depend on each other for different reasons. One side gives sanctuary to the other in the hopes that it will be a client state against Indian interests and the other uses Pakistan's delusions of Afghanistan becoming a province of Pakistan to use its territory and favor.

The Taliban only work with Pakistan because their survival as a military force depends on safe sanctuary, not because they care for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis probably don't care for Pakistan for that matter. If you look objectively at the Taliban-Pakistan relationship, who has actually gotten the better of this arrangement? The Paki state has seen regime change, losses to their economy which are unmeasurable, foreign strikes, loss of prestige, isolation, uncontrollable militant groups who swear allegiance to the Afghan Taliban, loss of military and civilian life. This rag tag Taliban is still a force 20 plus years later because of Pakis delusions of grandeur.

I have never heard the Taliban bestow such beautiful words on Pakistan as Ghani or Karzai ever have.

The Mujahadin of the 80s didn't love America and America didn't love it, same with the Karzai/America relationship.

The US used to listen to Hekmatyars anti US speeches on a weekly basis while the US was pumping billions into Hezbi islami.

[khushal]

Nobody forced taliban to attend school, they can be the dum idiots of this world, nobody is forcing them, its your subhuman trash that forces their **** on others.

sure they did.

https://books.google.com/books?id=fZCheNNyaxwC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=afghans+forced+to+attent+communist+schools&source=bl&ots=ApLiM7BdER&sig=u-sySvW_rIUdXlAFhhE_Gl2QUzw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ba1kVb2bJ4mTsAW81oKYCA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=afghans%20forced%20to%20attent%20communist%20schools&f=false

[BarakzaiAbdali]

absolutely brilliant, shamlawar don't care as it goes against his core belief. now Barakzai my favorite will jump with some random quotes bashing communist and praising some random rebellion in northern america and will generalize the whole scenario, Ghani is responsible for Afghanistan mess and Mullah Omar is considered the only saviors. the love circle continue.

Wrong again, rather its you that cherry picks and is selective in deciding which evidences he considers and which he doesn't. Any metric that is serious or counter is ignored and guesswork is done to try and point the reader in a foregone conclusion that most of the world abandoned in 2008 (i.e. that the Afghan insurgency is in its last throes). Another example of this is your reference to Smith et al where when the source is dissected, it actually has information that runs counter to your conclusion:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?t=46420

The reason for this is that you are affiliated with or at least an acolyte of the Awami party apparatus. More often than not, these folks think that they are more slick with their propaganda skills than they actually are...

His discussion is with Shamlawar and easy to respond to- if you want me to respond to the post I can, but otherwise it is a discussion between them.

[khushal]

Marwat ran away from an argument I was making about their hero Ghaffar Khan being a hypocrite when he preached non violence in pakistan while at the same time he was preaching and backing a very violent man Najib who aided in killing 2 million afghans and displacing more than 1/3 of the afghan population that led to pakistan's long term leverage over afghanistan. Very similar to how Imran khan does when he says that jihad is OK in Afghanistan but not OK in Pakistan.