Walking Away or Ignoring Afghanistan is not an Option for India

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Borwn Skin, Absolutely nonsense, zero evidence, sorry. Ghilzai are 100% the original Pashuns.

Just because you say so, doesn't mean it's true

[tilla_jogian]

So you admit that you need Afghans to scare the Indians, that you need afghans to protect you. Complete baighyrat, which is why no one fears you but know you are a people of servitude which invites invaders which is why you have always been invaded.

You must be really embarrassed oour panjabi ancestory since your claiming afghans as your own.

Abdali is afghani? Dumb a** I already proved he was ancient Paki. No we don't need bunch of loser afgaynis who we can bomb to oblivion to scare anyone. It will be little ironic don't you think?

You most be dumb afgayni who still think land up to indus is Afgaynistan, and anything within that land is history of afgaynis. But reality is different you dumb a**. In best of cases you are considered muhajir here, and in worst your gay a** is deported back to Afgaynistan.

[khushal]

Not exactly, its just history. If I was afgayni then I would be bgragging about greek blood in my veins, which is not true in afgaynis case but they still brag about it. They also brag about Nooristani blood, same people who they forcefully converted from hindu like religion to Islam. But since they look more aryan then Afgaynis they proudly claim Nooristani ancestry now days.

Everyone want to move in to better place for living, unfortunatly mountains can only provide so much for some. Pakistan have seen many invasions including FATA since that was gateway to better fertile lands. Punjabi speaking Lodhis, Kasuri, Niazis pathans do claim pashtun ancestry, which is probably true.

I am just saying Afgaynistan don't have patent on history of Abdali over Paki pashtuns. Real afghani pathans are paki people basically, in border regions.

Afghans dont claim greek, your making stuff up.

Pakistan only offers sex tourism to people from alll over the world to your lahore and as the US offcial said, you would sell your mommy for a dollar.

Abdali conquered your punjab and your claiming the conqueror as your own. What a dawoos. This is why the Brits cuckolded you, you though the Brits were your own since you think the conqueror is your own. Dude your fvucked up in the head.

[Azmal]

Borwn Skin, Absolutely nonsense, zero evidence, sorry. Ghilzai are 100% the original Pashuns.

I don't think there is such a thing as original or pure in any ethnic but yea Ghilzai were Afghans for long time. In fact historican believes Ghoris were in fact Ghilzai.
1- Shansabani were known as a tribe of people; and the people of Ghor lived in a tribal society governed by Chieftains. Among the numerous Ghorid chiefs, the Shansabani tribe had the most authority over all the other Ghorid tribes. As Persians had no tribal culture the Shansabani were a tribe and the Ghorian were structured as a tribal society. Therefore Tajiks and Persians could not be Ghoriians. However it is widely known that Pashtoons are the only existing Tribal peoples in the region who are not of Mongolian stock. Therefore this is key evidence that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons.
2-If you look at the Geneology of the Shansabani Tribe; you notice that the Patriarch of the Shansabani rulers possesses the name "Suri" ; Suri is a widely known Pashtun tribal name and also the name of a Pashtun conqueror Sher Shah Suri.

SHANSABANI
Sayf ud-Din Suri..............................1146-1149
Baha' ud-Din Sam I.................................1149
Aladdin Jahan-Suz Husain II...................1149-1161
Sa'if ud-Din Muhammad.........................1161-1163
Abu'l-Fath Muhammad Shams ad-Din (in Firuzkuh)1163-1203 with...
Shihab ud-Din Muhammad (in Ghazna)............1173-1206
Ghiyath ud-Din Mahmud.........................1206-1212 with...
Taj ud-Din Yïldïz Mu'izzi (in Ghazna).........1206-1215 with...
Baha' ud-Din Sam II...........................1212-1213

3-Baihaqi who is considered as the most famous historian of the Ghaznavid era had written in page 117 that "Sultan Massud leaves for (jaroos ghoor) “jai darmeshi paat”... and sends his learned companion with two people from Ghor as interpreter between this person and the people of that region.
Now why is there a need for an interpreter between this learned companion who already spoke Farsi and the people of that region in Ghor? That clearly indicates that the region was not speaking Farsi. And if they were not speaking Farsi then what was their language?
There are also other numerous accounts such as the accounts of Minhaaj Saraj from that era and others who gives similar accounts.
By this we can conclude concretely that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons-Ghalzai, and were NOT Turk or Persian as Wikipedia falsely claim.

[khushal]

Abdali is afghani? Dumb a** I already proved he was ancient Paki. No we don't need bunch of loser afgaynis who we can bomb to oblivion to scare anyone. It will be little ironic don't you think?

You most be dumb afgayni who still think land up to indus is Afgaynistan, and anything within that land is history of afgaynis. But reality is different you dumb a**. In best of cases you are considered muhajir here, and in worst your gay a** is deported back to Afgaynistan.

Who care where he was born, he could have been born in calcutta, the main point is he was Afghan/Pashtun. Your a complete baighyrat, a complete dawoos, you dont have any heros so you have to claim great men of pashtun descent.

It sucks to be you.

[Azmal]

Afghans dont claim greek, your making stuff up.

Pakistan only offers sex tourism to people from alll over the world to your lahore and as the US offcial said, you would sell your mommy for a dollar.

Abdali conquered your punjab and your claiming the conqueror as your own. What a dawoos. This is why the Brits cuckolded you, you though the Brits were your own since you think the conqueror is your own. Dude your fvucked up in the head.

What is the point replying to this paki's nonsense?

[khushal]

What is the point replying to this paki's nonsense?

He has to come to his senses so he can go and close down heera mundi and save his women from exploitation or at least stop going to there as a customer.

[tilla_jogian]

Afghans dont claim greek, your making stuff up.

Pakistan only offers sex tourism to people from alll over the world to your lahore and as the US offcial said, you would sell your mommy for a dollar.

Abdali conquered your punjab and your claiming the conqueror as your own. What a dawoos. This is why the Brits cuckolded you, you though the Brits were your own since you think the conqueror is your own. Dude your fvucked up in the head.

He was Pakistani not punjabi you dumb a**. He conquered area next to him centuries ago, big ****ing deal. Especially when likes of you proudly claim Ghauri and Ghaznavi were pathans lmao at least no one say Abdali was punjabi.

Have some shame beghairta. This is well documented fact, afgaynis proudly claim greek blood. Many foreigners who visited afgaynistan have noticed this trend. They also claim yahudi blood.

Basically you just need to tell afgayni that he is probably related to some white ethnicity, decade later whole tribe will start to believe in same myth. Some decades back some gora saab suggested afgaynis were greeks and yahudis, and now afgaynis belìeve in this crap.

[Kushan Prince]

I don't think there is such a thing as original or pure in any ethnic but yea Ghilzai were Afghans for long time. In fact historican believes Ghoris were in fact Ghilzai.
1- Shansabani were known as a tribe of people; and the people of Ghor lived in a tribal society governed by Chieftains. Among the numerous Ghorid chiefs, the Shansabani tribe had the most authority over all the other Ghorid tribes. As Persians had no tribal culture the Shansabani were a tribe and the Ghorian were structured as a tribal society. Therefore Tajiks and Persians could not be Ghoriians. However it is widely known that Pashtoons are the only existing Tribal peoples in the region who are not of Mongolian stock. Therefore this is key evidence that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons.
2-If you look at the Geneology of the Shansabani Tribe; you notice that the Patriarch of the Shansabani rulers possesses the name "Suri" ; Suri is a widely known Pashtun tribal name and also the name of a Pashtun conqueror Sher Shah Suri.

SHANSABANI
Sayf ud-Din Suri..............................1146-1149
Baha' ud-Din Sam I.................................1149
Aladdin Jahan-Suz Husain II...................1149-1161
Sa'if ud-Din Muhammad.........................1161-1163
Abu'l-Fath Muhammad Shams ad-Din (in Firuzkuh)1163-1203 with...
Shihab ud-Din Muhammad (in Ghazna)............1173-1206
Ghiyath ud-Din Mahmud.........................1206-1212 with...
Taj ud-Din Yïldïz Mu'izzi (in Ghazna).........1206-1215 with...
Baha' ud-Din Sam II...........................1212-1213

3-Baihaqi who is considered as the most famous historian of the Ghaznavid era had written in page 117 that "Sultan Massud leaves for (jaroos ghoor) “jai darmeshi paat”... and sends his learned companion with two people from Ghor as interpreter between this person and the people of that region.
Now why is there a need for an interpreter between this learned companion who already spoke Farsi and the people of that region in Ghor? That clearly indicates that the region was not speaking Farsi. And if they were not speaking Farsi then what was their language?
There are also other numerous accounts such as the accounts of Minhaaj Saraj from that era and others who gives similar accounts.
By this we can conclude concretely that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons-Ghalzai, and were NOT Turk or Persian as Wikipedia falsely claim.

Finally Azmal, you make sense for once.

[tilla_jogian]

Who care where he was born, he could have been born in calcutta, the main point is he was Afghan/Pashtun. Your a complete baighyrat, a complete dawoos, you dont have any heros so you have to claim great men of pashtun descent.

It sucks to be you.

It sucks for Afgayni pashtun because Abdali was not from Afgaynistan. And Ghauri and Ghaznavi were not Afgayni pashtuns either. No wonder you guys have obsession with Pakistan and claiming everything up to indus.

Because your own history is **** just like Indians claim indus valley civilization, honestly its better for you guys to claim yahudi history instead.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I don't think there is such a thing as original or pure in any ethnic but yea Ghilzai were Afghans for long time. In fact historican believes Ghoris were in fact Ghilzai.
1- Shansabani were known as a tribe of people; and the people of Ghor lived in a tribal society governed by Chieftains. Among the numerous Ghorid chiefs, the Shansabani tribe had the most authority over all the other Ghorid tribes. As Persians had no tribal culture the Shansabani were a tribe and the Ghorian were structured as a tribal society. Therefore Tajiks and Persians could not be Ghoriians. However it is widely known that Pashtoons are the only existing Tribal peoples in the region who are not of Mongolian stock. Therefore this is key evidence that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons.
2-If you look at the Geneology of the Shansabani Tribe; you notice that the Patriarch of the Shansabani rulers possesses the name "Suri" ; Suri is a widely known Pashtun tribal name and also the name of a Pashtun conqueror Sher Shah Suri.

SHANSABANI
Sayf ud-Din Suri..............................1146-1149
Baha' ud-Din Sam I.................................1149
Aladdin Jahan-Suz Husain II...................1149-1161
Sa'if ud-Din Muhammad.........................1161-1163
Abu'l-Fath Muhammad Shams ad-Din (in Firuzkuh)1163-1203 with...
Shihab ud-Din Muhammad (in Ghazna)............1173-1206
Ghiyath ud-Din Mahmud.........................1206-1212 with...
Taj ud-Din Yïldïz Mu'izzi (in Ghazna).........1206-1215 with...
Baha' ud-Din Sam II...........................1212-1213

3-Baihaqi who is considered as the most famous historian of the Ghaznavid era had written in page 117 that "Sultan Massud leaves for (jaroos ghoor) “jai darmeshi paat”... and sends his learned companion with two people from Ghor as interpreter between this person and the people of that region.
Now why is there a need for an interpreter between this learned companion who already spoke Farsi and the people of that region in Ghor? That clearly indicates that the region was not speaking Farsi. And if they were not speaking Farsi then what was their language?
There are also other numerous accounts such as the accounts of Minhaaj Saraj from that era and others who gives similar accounts.
By this we can conclude concretely that Ghorians were in fact Pashtoons-Ghalzai, and were NOT Turk or Persian as Wikipedia falsely claim.

You're making the argument I used to make a long time ago. But I found out that this claim is incorrect because firstly

the name Shansaabani is not in any Pashto literature or even translatable into Pashto. The root word wishnasp has no equivalent in Pashto.

Now Ghor does sound a lot like "Ghar" in Pashto, but Ghor refers to a different word meaning than Ghar. In Farsi Ghor means depth. Now perhaps Ghor and Ghar are related words in the Indo-European sense, but they aren't linguistically the same when it comes to Pashto and Farsi. There's no such word as "Ghor" in Pashto. There is Ghorzang, and there is Ghar, but no Ghor.

Lastly the name "Suri", there are Suris who are Ghilzai, but The name Suri is not exclusively Pashtun nor any indicator of Pashtun ancestry in and of itself.


There's no evidence that the Shansabani Suris are the Ghilzai Suris. Thus this cannot be a legitimate claim.

[khushal]

There is evidence that Ghilzai were linguistic Turks before they became Pashtunized. But they were not ethnic Turks.
This theory is viable.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

That's exactly my point. Being Linguistically Turkic is not the same as being Turkic by genetics.

[khushal]

You're making the argument I used to make a long time ago. But I found out that this claim is incorrect because firstly

the name Shansaabani is not in any Pashto literature or even translatable into Pashto. The root word wishnasp has no equivalent in Pashto.

Now Ghor does sound a lot like "Ghar" in Pashto, but Ghor refers to a different word meaning than Ghar. In Farsi Ghor means depth. Now perhaps Ghor and Ghar are related words in the Indo-European sense, but they aren't linguistically the same when it comes to Pashto and Farsi. There's no such word as "Ghor" in Pashto. There is Ghorzang, and there is Ghar, but no Ghor.

Lastly the name "Suri", there are Suris who are Ghilzai, but The name Suri is not exclusively Pashtun nor any indicator of Pashtun ancestry in and of itself.


There's no evidence that the Shansabani Suris are the Ghilzai Suris. Thus this cannot be a legitimate claim.

So why did they need translators then?

[Azmal]

He has to come to his senses so he can go and close down heera mundi and save his women from exploitation or at least stop going to there as a customer.

What does "his women" have to do with him?