Pakistan to expel old Post-1951 Afghan immigrants from the country

[Yousufzai]

Disgusting. Afghans living in Pakistan form one of the most vulnerable minorities in the country today. Despite living there for decades, they have no say when it comes to political matters and are routinely persecuted by security forces, even in Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

Those who are trying to make life difficult for them are cowards. It takes a special kind of dawoos to blame all your problems on such a weak and defenseless group of people.

[Smarty]

Pakistan is effectively a Punjabistan. And who are Punjabis-the core of them are Central Punjabis, then you count Potoharis and Hindkowanans, then Siraiks, then Kashmiris, then are the bearded brethren across Wahga whom the PMs (Punjabi Muslims) have a very soft corner for and whom one day may be allowed and persuaded to re-integrate with the Punjabistan.

It will slowly dawn on the rest of Muhajirs, Pashtuns, Gilgit-Baltistanis, Baluchis, and Sindhis that their place is only on the national fringes.

Such state cannot survive.

And why should Afghans care? Integrate with Central Asia, ME, and West Asia where there is better economic future.

Indian Mohajirs are actually number one enemies of Pashtuns in Pakistan. It depends upon from where you are coming from. If you are Afghan national or dont live or believe in federation of Pakistan and as minority has grievances against majority......then Punjabis are your number one enemy. But if you live in Pakistan, has enough interactions and life experience in the country , and has sharp observation then you would realize that it is actually Mohajir community which is working against Pashtuns in almost every field and department. They work against you in open as well as in background. I have encountered hostile anti-pashtun elements from every community whether they were Punajbis, balochs, sindhis, kashmiris and seraikis as well as friendly ones. But these Indian Mohajirs are your straight forward enemy and are busy cutting pashtuns into pieces and packing them into boris. Every Mohajir is loyal to MQM in varying degrees, even the ones in establishment help their brethren in MQM and try to convince their punjabi colleagues to be harsh more on pashtuns rather than on them.

There are *******s in every community. Punjabis have their own *******s, Pashtuns have their owns. But these indian mohajirs are just nasty and poisonous mofos on the whole. Those who want to verify my claims, check any anti-pashtun comment on internet any where, in 80 to 90 % of cases it would trace to a karachiite. They are so much consumed by hate that they even refuse to form alliance with you against sindhis and punjabis........so expel the thought from your mind that these hindostani mohajirs are your natural allies. Such was the situation that Punjabis and paskhtuns formed an allinace , PPI, in late 80s against nasty mohajirs.

[marwat]

Reason is that these Hindustani Muhajirs are loyal to Pakistan and love Pakistan, the Afghan refugees curse pakistan, they want to break up pakistan, they to destroy it, as for Baloch, they're fine, there's no migration, i know some baloch settled in karachi now, who came from irani side

Raason is that these hindustani muhajirs are torkuni and have indic origin otherwise they are loyal to MQM only not to Jinnah. Altaf rant most of the time against state and for a separate country.

[Smarty]

There is very effective Punjabi alliance going on , between Nawaz Shareef and Raheel Shareef, it has clicked. The route of economic corridor from china woould no longer pass through KPK and Balochistan but through Punjab. In PMLN's opposition to PTI and taking care of their stronghold Punjab, Pashtuns are getting hurt.

So Pashtuns have two enemies in Pakistan. Who is number 1? it depends upon you from where you are looking at them.

1- Pakistani military establishment dominated by Punjabis and their Pashtun serfs.........They interfere in Afghanistan and are experimenting with Pashtun belt , Taliban being the side effect.

2- Indian Mohajirs : These nasty vermins have damaged the Pashtuns most in recent decades in my opinion. Pervez Musharaf was a Mohajir and he has set fire on Afghanistan as well as pashtun belt of Pakistan. They work closely togather like jews and would try to hurt pashtun if it is possible for them. The life of 7 million pashtuns of karachi is fcked up because of them. Also they are the ones who came up with pathan jokes, akhroat stereotype and other non-sense, they actively spread and propagate certain negative stereotype aboout us. Most of the Pakistani media is based in Karachi and they effectively use it.

[Smarty]

Raason is that these hindustani muhajirs are torkuni and have indic origin otherwise they are loyal to MQM only not to Jinnah. Altaf rant most of the time against state and for a separate country.

These black-butted Mohajirs are signaling and pleading to their Punjabi kinsmen in military that they can be useful, they should be spared and allowed to carry on their criminal activities and target killing of pashtuns in Karachi. Punjabis care less if Pashtun working on tandoor or hotel is killed by Mohajir but as this MQM has connections with Indian RAW , their target killers getting trained from India, so they are receiving little punishment nowadays, punjabi dont like India. When Army was under Musharaf, a mohajir, MQM was empowered to unprecedented level so much that they totally overwhelmed ANP and killed thousands of pashtuns in PPP period.

In early days there was Punjabi-Mohajir nexus , but Ayub Khan , khuday dey obakhshi, broke it. Mohajirs , who actually founded this cursed country, imposed their language, culture and dress on pakistan, became secondary characters. Intersingly Punjab had very small contribution to Pakistan movement , but they took advantage of being majority in army . Mohajirs thought they would be nawabs and lords of pakistan and no one else would catch upto them in education, when they realized that they are no longer special , they resorted to ethnic nationalism even though they do not have any particular ethnicity.

[Khostai]

Serves them right, treators who worked for porkistan to destroy their own home country need to be treated like this. They send taliban, suicide sheeps to Afghanistan for decades and sucked up to this disgusting punjabis and now they get what they deserve.

[Yousufzai]

Serves them right, treators who worked for porkistan to destroy their own home country need to be treated like this. They send taliban, suicide sheeps to Afghanistan for decades and sucked up to this disgusting punjabis and now they get what they deserve.

I can't believe you have no concern for your own people. It may be easy writing this as a kid who probably spent his entire life outside of Afghanistan. Do you have any idea how bad things were during the '90s? They're refugees who had nowhere to go. When you have a family, you have to make such difficult decisions. And most of them are still loyal to Afghanistan, I have no idea where you got those ideas from.

There is absolutely no justification for what the government is doing to these poor people.

[Bengal_Tiger]

What the Pakistani regime is doing is against basic human rights.

1. Most of these people are born in Pakistan, and Pakistan is all that they know.

2. The homes they have lived in are their homes.

The homes they grew up in, where they played as children.

3. Afghanistan is a foreign land to them.

This is essentially making them real refugees and IDPs and dislocating them.

This is a violation of human rights.

The Human Rights Watch (HRW) spoke against the forceful return of Afghanistan refugees from Pakistan, reminding the government of their obligation to protect all Afghans in the country, including those not registered as refugees.

The recent increase in the repatriation of refugees seem to indicate that the have been coerced into leaving by the local authorities, claimed HRW in a statement on Sunday.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1165204

Afghanistan needs to contact the OIC (Organization for Islamic Co-operation) over this and ask for Saudi and Turkey (which Dostum is well-connected to) to intervene in this issue.





Dostum with Erdogan, as a senior leader in the Kabul government, Dostum should ask Turkey to pressure Pakistan to end its violation of human rights against Muslims of Afghan origin in Pakistan.

[tripledouble]

What the Pakistani regime is doing is against basic human rights.

1. Most of these people are born in Pakistan, and Pakistan is all that they know.

2. The homes they have lived in are their homes.

The homes they grew up in, where they played as children.

3. Afghanistan is a foreign land to them.

This is essentially making them real refugees and IDPs and dislocating them.

This is a violation of human rights.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1165204

Afghanistan needs to contact the OIC (Organization for Islamic Co-operation) over this and ask for Saudi and Turkey (which Dostum is well-connected to) to intervene in this issue.





Dostum with Erdogan, as a senior leader in the Kabul government, Dostum should ask Turkey to pressure Pakistan to end its violation of human rights against Muslims of Afghan origin in Pakistan.

When afghan refugees stop cursing pakistan, stop their agenda of loya afghanistan, stop dreaming of conquering lands they lost in 19th century, stop cheering for india over pakistan, then we can give them citizenship but if they continue with this act then we don't have choice but to deport them

If a Pakistani moves to India but claims india should not exist and he dreams of ghazwa-e-hind, and cheers for every team.counry playing against india, then i would also call out that pakistani for hypocrisy, why does somebody want citizenship of a country if they don't recognize it or want it to exist?it's hypocritical to me.

btw dostum is more concerned of uzbeks/turks being deported from afg

[tripledouble]

Disgusting. Afghans living in Pakistan form one of the most vulnerable minorities in the country today. Despite living there for decades, they have no say when it comes to political matters and are routinely persecuted by security forces, even in Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan.

Those who are trying to make life difficult for them are cowards. It takes a special kind of dawoos to blame all your problems on such a weak and defenseless group of people.

if you(i mean the group) do not recognize the state/government/country, then it his hypocritical to expect/demand any rights of citizenship.

simple.

[Yousufzai]

if you(i mean the group) do not recognize the state/government/country, then it his hypocritical to expect/demand any rights of citizenship.

simple.

Protection from being racially profiled, constantly harassed by law enforcement, discriminated when it comes to employment, and threatened with deportation every six months isn't a right granted by citizenship - it's a basic human right. If the government has a problem with refugees becoming citizens, then they should at least treat them like how humane people would treat permanent residents. They don't even do that.

[tripledouble]

Protection from being racially profiled, constantly harassed by law enforcement, discriminated when it comes to employment, and threatened with deportation every six months isn't a right granted by citizenship - it's a basic human right. If the government has a problem with refugees becoming citizens, then they should at least treat them like how humane people would treat permanent residents. They don't even do that.

well u believe in a utopia but brother we live in ethiopia, immigrants/refugees are treated this horribly sadly in third world countries, this is the best hospitality we can afford.

btw ur speaking about poor refugees, i know rich afghans living in pak who live comfortable life, they tell me to my face they hate pakistanis think pakistanis are racially inferior, and run businesses here & dreaming of pakistan to disintegrate, they drive nice cars etc etc so if you're saying the hate for pak is only because of treatment then u r wrong.

in pakistan it's so easy to cheat the system(is there even a system?) that refugees easily get nics and passports and bypass employment restrictions; law enforcement treat detainees like animals, they treat their own pakistanis like animals let alone refugees, but they r just as corrupt, couple hundred jinnahs for a little chai paani and ur off the hook.

[Yousufzai]

well u believe in a utopia but brother we live in ethiopia, immigrants/refugees are treated this horribly sadly in third world countries, this is the best hospitality we can afford.

So you admit the stuff they go through is terrible? If that's what you're saying, I don't understand how it's "hypocritical" of Afghans to demand some of the most basic rights.

[tripledouble]

So you admit the stuff they go through is terrible? If that's what you're saying, I don't understand how it's "hypocritical" of Afghans to demand some of the most basic rights.

read my whole comment, i explain why they treated the way the are

[Yousufzai]

read my whole comment, i explain why they treated the way the are

I read your entire comment. All you did was tell me about how some Afghans are rich punks. In the same way I can tell you about all the hard working, decent refugees I've met who faced some of the worst forms of discrimination. Just because you have a few bad apples doesn't mean you can target an entire community and constantly harass and degrade them.