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  • #91
    Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
    Afghanistan is a hopeless case. Or on the path to becoming a proper "ad-Dawla al Islam" depending on your view.
    Another foolish and stupid comment by a fool, so I guess the adjectives fit.

    Lets dissect the case and comment. Here is the best story we have to date regarding what happened in this case.

    Certainly, this was a crime, and all involved are guilty of murder and mob rule. But let us see what role Islam played and we might be surprised.

    I am deeply dismayed at the level of general stupidity and lack of analytic skill that I see here. Instead of having two dueling hypotheses (or simply an open mind) and trying to get to the truth based on data (facts), people here see some article and superimpose their own narrative onto the events thereby delaying justice and ensuring more injustice.

    The best article to date is found here:


    So let us see who was ad Dawla al Islam and who was "cultural" shall we?

    First, let us examine the wronged and murdered Miss Farkhonda and see what she was doing that day:

    Although ill, Farkhunda had kept up with her studies at a madrasa. On Thursday morning, after leaving school, she turned up at the shrine of the King of Two Swords, which honors a Muslim conqueror in Afghanistan who died in the seventh century fighting Hindu warriors.

    Apparently, she was intent on making sure that visitors’ prayers at the shrine were in strict Islamic accordance. The attendants at the shrine say they did not recognize her, but she quickly made her presence felt.

    One of the attendants, Shad Mohammad, said that Farkhunda began berating visitors, men and women alike. It was acceptable to pay their respects at a shrine like this, she instructed visitors, but it was not an appropriate place to worship.

    “Don’t come here to pray,” she shouted, according to Mr. Mohammad. “God won’t accept your prayers here.”
    So I find it interesting that no one has commented on this action of hers since we have a host of warmongers and cultural couch potatoes that claim that the Taliban "stop people from worshipping at shrines" and that "our ancestors worship at shrines" and so on and so forth ad infinitum and ad nausem to justify error.



    So let us see now who ordered her death? Was it a Salafist? Was it a Deobandi Mullah? Let us define these terms: They are puritanical sects known for actually being involved in the shutting down of such shrines. They are generally classified into the world wide term of "wahhabi" by most.

    To the contrary, the person who instigated and ordered her death is described in the following way:

    A policeman who witnessed the incident on Thursday told AP news agency that Farkhunda was arguing with a local mullah. Her father said she had complained about women being encouraged to waste money on the amulets peddled by the mullahs at the shrine.
    An Afghan woman who was lynched after being falsely accused of burning the Koran was killed for tackling superstitious practices, eyewitnesses say.


    Any cultured Afghan knows EXACTLY who she was dealing with and who she was up against. I personally clashed with these sorts of people back in my own day and during my own visits. I was once touring the area in on a medical visit and was told by family members of a miracle worker mullah. I saw the sad sight of many young people gathered in a 2 hour long sign in the baking sun who had illnesses that require surgical intervention. One poor soul was born with a cleft palate. Others were there for minor ailments like allergies. Once they got to the front of the line, an old man dressed in his robe and gear would give out rolled up slips of paper that are known as Taweezoona and send the indigent and sick home claiming that this would cure their illnesses. Lucky for me, I was a male, had armed men with me, and was able to out quote the fool running the show. So I survived. It was therefore nothing brave on my part - though she was brave.

    The interesting thing is that this is a CULTURAL vestigial remnant of a our shamanistic UNISLAMIC past lol. The Quran was on distributed pieces of parchment and partial copies in the lifetime of the Prophet Mohammad and there is not ever an instance where he bound up Quranic verses in an amulet and sent the ill home establishing this as some sort of puritanical or literature based Islam. It was in Uthman's time that the recensions were unified and copies were sent to the provinces.

    Rather, this act of a healing shaman with taweez is something that predates the advent of Islam in our regions.

    Mukhter Ahmad, writes in Ancient Pakistan - An Archaelogical History: Volume 4: Harrapan Civilization:

    ...the power of the sacred word, the widespread use of taweez, the amulets, the reverence for the spirits of saints and walees....can safely be traced to shamanistic practices of simple cultures.
    page 234



    It actually continues to be a practice in India:


    Hadith commending the practice are in the muwatta:

    It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him]. He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.”
    Basically, the only true Islam demonstrated in this case was the bravery of Ferkhonda telling the shrine adherents to not worship at the shrine (in actuality there is a mosque right next to the shrine) and folks not to buy taweezoona there. In many ways she emulated the act of Isa (A) when he marched into the Temple and overturned the tables on the money lenders. However, by your people's definitions she demonstrated "wahhabist" or "salafist" or "talib" tendencies based on the sort of thing she preached against taweez and grave site worship.

    And just as the Pharisees (who were guilty of serious sins) attempted to stone the prostitute in Christ's time based on a perversion of religious law, so too did these brigands jump the defense of these faux mullahs and faux muslims when they shouted about Qurans being burned.

    Even then, it is well known that way the Muslims of old used to dispose of the Quran was to actually burn it since that was the proper way of its disposal... there is actually no punishment prescribed for "burning a Quran."

    In the future please make sure your commentary is more informed and less foolhardy. You may have fascist Persian nationalist narratives embedded in that tiny brain of yours, but the rest of us seek to think through problems instead of generating half truths and lies to support our narratives.
    Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 04-06-2015, 12:49 AM.
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    • #92
      The men did nothing wrong in their own view. The just defended Islam against an alleged kafir that burned the Quran. Blame the religion for turning these people into barbarians.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
        The men did nothing wrong in their own view. The just defended Islam against an alleged kafir that burned the Quran. Blame the religion for turning these people into barbarians.
        A lot of people "do nothing wrong in their own view" across the world. A great many Vietnam vets who called Vietnamese kids "gooks" and shot their mothers in the belly felt that they were doing so for a purpose, despite the gross departing of that purpose from the original constitution. Che Geuvara shot Cubans in the back of the head and wrote about in his diary to a great extent, because he "did nothing wrong" in his own view - never saw Karl Marx demanding that of his acolytes in his manifesto. Your train of thought regarding is as foolish as your persiofascist ideologies (which generally are as ahistorical as most of your drivel).
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        • #94
          Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
          A lot of people "do nothing wrong in their own view" across the world. A great many Vietnam vets who called Vietnamese kids "gooks" and shot their mothers in the belly felt that they were doing so for a purpose, despite the gross departing of that purpose from the original constitution. Che Geuvara shot Cubans in the back of the head and wrote about in his diary to a great extent, because he "did nothing wrong" in his own view - never saw Karl Marx demanding that of his acolytes in his manifesto. Your train of thought regarding is as foolish as your persiofascist ideologies (which generally are as ahistorical as most of your drivel).
          You are comparing soldiers and revolutionaries to ordinary people in the streets. One is trained to kill, the other prepared to use violence to overthrow the state. Are you saying Muslims are generally violent people as well?

          What is a "persiofacist"?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
            The men did nothing wrong in their own view. The just defended Islam against an alleged kafir that burned the Quran. Blame the religion for turning these people into barbarians.
            This was a lynching. Lynching has existed as long as people have existed. Lynching is not motivated by religion. It is known in evolutionary psychology as "Group Polarization." I know you are too stupid too understand this, but it is for enquiring minds out there.
            Group polarization is the finding in psychology that group decisions tend towards the extreme rather than averaging out the preferences of participants.
            Last edited by khushal; 04-07-2015, 02:05 AM.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
              You are comparing soldiers and revolutionaries to ordinary people in the streets. One is trained to kill, the other prepared to use violence to overthrow the state. Are you saying Muslims are generally violent people as well?

              What is a "persiofacist"?
              People are people. Persiofascist like yourself simply cant understand this concept.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                You are comparing soldiers and revolutionaries to ordinary people in the streets. One is trained to kill, the other prepared to use violence to overthrow the state. Are you saying Muslims are generally violent people as well?

                What is a "persiofacist"?
                Persiofascist is what you are. They are those trashy folks that generate a pseudo history of being part of some long gone "Aryan" empire that performed the elephant walk on "nawrooz" in the fashion of their "warrior ancestors."

                You seem to lack the ability to appreciate nuance. The actions of a group of people in a drastically illiterate state torn by some 30+ years of war are very easily correlated to their condition. If you took a group of educated Muslims who truly knew the history of how the Quran was put together, its manner of disposal etc, it is far less likely such an event would occur. We can see that in Galileo's time, even in a stable society, humans are predisposed to defend their memes with nearly as much ferocity as their genetic inheritors.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  People are people. Persiofascist like yourself simply cant understand this concept.
                  Well what is interesting is he seems to want to purposefully ignore the fact that it was Farkhonda who was abiding by the letter of common salafist interpretations of Shariat law lol. He is trying to circumvent that fact by saying that Islam doesnt belong to the victim but belongs to the crowd of miscreants.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                    Well what is interesting is he seems to want to purposefully ignore the fact that it was Farkhonda who was abiding by the letter of common salafist interpretations of Shariat law lol. He is trying to circumvent that fact by saying that Islam doesnt belong to the victim but belongs to the crowd of miscreants.
                    What is also interesting is the fact that Ms Farkhunda was challenging the business of selling superstition which is something the prophet(pbuh) was doing in Mecca which also threatened his life.
                    The persiofascist is blinded by his own superstitious false belief in his own greatness that he fails to see reality.

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                    • Originally posted by khushal View Post
                      What is also interesting is the fact that Ms Farkhunda was challenging the business of selling superstition which is something the prophet(pbuh) was doing in Mecca which also threatened his life.
                      The persiofascist is blinded by his own superstitious false belief in his own greatness that he fails to see reality.
                      I think I am getting to the point where I am comfortable calling garbage what it is... these folks are often the most hypocritical. They preach and wax poetic about "education" yet they themselves are often the most underachieved... they spend most of their day mentally pleasuring themselves to some pseudo construct of reality that perhaps their parents imparted to them that allows them to continue their quest to pervert the world in the image of themselves.
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                      • Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                        Persiofascist is what you are. They are those trashy folks that generate a pseudo history of being part of some long gone "Aryan" empire that performed the elephant walk on "nawrooz" in the fashion of their "warrior ancestors."

                        You seem to lack the ability to appreciate nuance. The actions of a group of people in a drastically illiterate state torn by some 30+ years of war are very easily correlated to their condition. If you took a group of educated Muslims who truly knew the history of how the Quran was put together, its manner of disposal etc, it is far less likely such an event would occur. We can see that in Galileo's time, even in a stable society, humans are predisposed to defend their memes with nearly as much ferocity as their genetic inheritors.
                        You are a very confused person. It's the entire civilized world that has a negative opinion of Islam. After all, why would someone tolerate or like a religion whose book is full of verses about violence, killing, revenge, hate towards those who don't believe in Allah. And whose followers are keen to follow in the footsteps of their prophet, a 7th century warlord.

                        The attackers of Charlie Hebdo and Van Gogh were not illiterate, but born and raised in the west. So even educated Muslims can become medieval zealots. Islamic violence isn't caused by a lack of education, but by a strong and sincere belief.

                        The mob that killed Farkhunda attended a mosque, the "Shah-Do Shamshira". They went to Friday prayers. You can't accuse them of being ignorant.

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                        • who will burn this taliban and when?

                          Mosque burned in Faryab
                          By KHAAMA PRESS - Thu Apr 09 2015, 11:51 am
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                          holy bookTaliban militants have burned a house and several houses in northern Faryab province.
                          Abdul Nabi Ilham, provincial police chief of Faryab says that the incident took place in Shireen Tagab District on Tuesday night.
                          He said a group of Taliban insurgents attacked Arpato village on the allegation that the residents of the village were cooperating with government.
                          He said that Taliban burned a mosque and several houses during the attack.
                          Ilhamd added that several copies of the holy Quran and other religious books were also burned in the fire.
                          This is not the only time mosque is harmed and copies of the holy Quran burned in Taliban attack.
                          On several occasions mosques have been harmed and copies of the holy Quran burned in Taliban attacks on mosques.

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                          • Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                            You are a very confused person. It's the entire civilized world that has a negative opinion of Islam. After all, why would someone tolerate or like a religion whose book is full of verses about violence, killing, revenge, hate towards those who don't believe in Allah. And whose followers are keen to follow in the footsteps of their prophet, a 7th century warlord.

                            The attackers of Charlie Hebdo and Van Gogh were not illiterate, but born and raised in the west. So even educated Muslims can become medieval zealots. Islamic violence isn't caused by a lack of education, but by a strong and sincere belief.

                            The mob that killed Farkhunda attended a mosque, the "Shah-Do Shamshira". They went to Friday prayers. You can't accuse them of being ignorant.
                            Not defending nephew of Tamina Durrani….its obvious you have very superficial and inaccurate grasp of reality…you are echoing the nonexistence arguments of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and rest of Anti-Islam. You should educate yourself with some facts…here is a good starting point for you.
                            The Myth of Religious Violence: Secular Ideology and the Roots of Modern Conflict Hardcover – (W T Cavanaugh. 2009)
                            ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                            نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                            چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                            نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                            سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                            بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                            چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                            يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                            سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                            په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                            ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                            اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                            • Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                              The men did nothing wrong in their own view. The just defended Islam against an alleged kafir that burned the Quran. Blame the religion for turning these people into barbarians.
                              Why blame the religion when it was the men who chose to do it by their own impetus, motive and desire....totally independent of any religious commandment


                              Learn to take responsibility for yourself will ya?

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                              • The problem with muslim countries is that people love to take things in their own hands, most of the muslims lands are ruled by mob mentality, even the police can't control these crowds

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