Woman burned

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Right. Maliki oppressed Sunnis, so they are forced to join Daesh. There is no other option but to sexually enslave Yazidi women, behead 1700 Shia soldiers, set off car bombs in civilian areas. They HAD to do it.

That's not his argument though; what he's saying is that Maliki's policies pushed the Sunni tribes into the influence of DAESH, giving DAESH a support base for them to commit these atrocities.

Same reason why Massoud was pushed to collude with the Soviets because Pakistan forced him by not making sure he received supplies. He didn't have to give Soviets passage and let hundreds of thousands of Afghans die in the process.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I aint sayin but I said that that it was fake before the expert confirmed it. The fact is that sunni populated territory fell to ISIS without a fight, the people welcomed them due to Maliki marginalizing them. The frontline documentary confirms all this.

Could you repost the documentary so the commie will see it's not an "apologist" rhetoric.

I'm 100% against all Theocracies but even I know what galvanized ISiS.

[khushal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltp8mcz5uP0

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/rise-of-isis/

[khushal]

This is an anachronistic claim because there were no Mullah Omar policies; In fact when Attaturk was a Youth he was sent to school under the Modernization Programs of the last Ottomon Khilafah; so your suggestion makes no sense.

Also the primary targets of Attaturk were the Sufi Brotherhoods who provided more spiritual and moral support for their community rather than Wahabist style bullying that the Taliban/Mullah Omar used, Furthermore Taliban/Mullah Omar show strong Anti-Sufi tendencies. So this claim doesn't hold much merit from historical background.

From what I have read, "The Young Turks group," whom Attaturk was a part of, received education in Europe where the seeds of nationalism were placed. The Young Turks overthrew Abdülhamid II in 1908. The Young Turks took control of Ottoman government and began a process of Turkifying the empire, at the cost of marginalizing the empire’s other groups. This marginalization created the Arab revolts which basically finished off the Ottoman Empire.

So in essence, nationalism destroyed Middle East glory.

[Khostai]

so you have no source. that is what I thought. hahaha, nothing but rants.

Listen, Kemal rose to power becuase the incompetent and archaic sultanate mismanaged the country, Turkey was weak and was invaded by western powers. Kemal rouse and liberated the country, just like how mullah Omar mismanged the country and was weak that led to invasion of USA. Only to bad we don't have a charismatic and secular leader like Kemal, some one like him is hard needed in Afghanistan to wipe weak sell out like you.

http://lostislamichistory.com/how-ataturk-made-turkey-secular/

The only reason Kemal could rise to power is becuase dum imbecils of sultanate entered WWI and lost the war what led to invasion of their country.

[Al-Afghani]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-9845679.html


All your shyt is fake which actually hurts the war on ISIS. If you cant fight them with truth, then step aside let someone step forward that can or maybe pressure the Shia centric gov to give sunnis their rights. Doing sensible things don't appeal to dumbarse farswans like yourself. Read on, I will educate you.
https://wildflowersnews.wordpress.co...-against-isis/

Where did I use Twitter as a source? A lot of lies are spread on social media. My sources are based on a UNHCR report that interviewed 500 witnesses.

But continue to ignore this.

[khushal]

Listen, Kemal rose to power becuase the incompetent and archaic sultanate mismanaged the country, Turkey was weak and was invaded by western powers. Kemal rouse and liberated the country, just like how mullah Omar mismanged the country and was weak that led to invasion of USA. Only to bad we don't have a charismatic and secular leader like Kemal, some one like him is hard needed in Afghanistan to wipe weak sell out like you.

http://lostislamichistory.com/how-ataturk-made-turkey-secular/

The only reason Kemal could rise to power is becuase dum imbecils of sultanate entered WWI and lost the war what led to invasion of their country.

Listen Ghul,
The Sultanate was overthrown in 1908 and the three pashas were nationalist leaders that belonged to "The young Turk group" later called the "Committee of Union and Progress" whom attaturk was a part of. They are the ones who entered WW1, marginalized the other groups in the multicultural Ottoman Empire(which resulted in revolts from those groups), and committed the Armenian genocide. Your own source confirms this.

You are about as dumb as this Tajik. Make sure you two dont attempt to have any babies together, the less fecal matter the better.

[khushal]

Where did I use Twitter as a source? A lot of lies are spread on social media. My sources are based on a UNHCR report that interviewed 500 witnesses.

But continue to ignore this.

The UN report is false:
see here: UN report

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/06/world/isis-children-torture/

and then see here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-pricelist-for-captured-yazidi-girls-being-sold-as-slaves-dismissed-as-fake-propaganda-9845679.html

see here: UN report

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-militants-order-female-genital-mutilation-northern-iraq-u-n-article-1.1878745

see here: its fake

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434

What is ironic is that you guys live in the West and you have failed to learn anything from its superior education.

[Al-Afghani]

The UN report is false:
see here: UN report

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/06/world/isis-children-torture/

and then see here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-pricelist-for-captured-yazidi-girls-being-sold-as-slaves-dismissed-as-fake-propaganda-9845679.html

see here: UN report

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/isis-militants-order-female-genital-mutilation-northern-iraq-u-n-article-1.1878745

see here: its fake

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434

What is ironic is that you guys live in the West and you have failed to learn anything from its superior education.

Your links refute the story about price tags and genital mutilation, not Yazidi women captured and raped by Daesh.

You want to argue about something trivial while you ignore the broader picture.

Absolutely no woman is ever raped by Daesh fighters, even though they have justified taking concubines. You are a genius.

[HalloIsBack]

there is now a tree on the place she was burned

[Khostai]

Listen Ghul,
The Sultanate was overthrown in 1908 and the three pashas were nationalist leaders that belonged to "The young Turk group" later called the "Committee of Union and Progress" whom attaturk was a part of. They are the ones who entered WW1, marginalized the other groups in the multicultural Ottoman Empire(which resulted in revolts from those groups), and committed the Armenian genocide. Your own source confirms this.

You are about as dumb as this Tajik. Make sure you two dont attempt to have any babies together, the less fecal matter the better.

OMG, I now rember why everyone hated you, you are dum as a sack of sand.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Listen, Kemal rose to power becuase the incompetent and archaic sultanate mismanaged the country, Turkey was weak and was invaded by western powers. Kemal rouse and liberated the country, just like how mullah Omar mismanged the country and was weak that led to invasion of USA. Only to bad we don't have a charismatic and secular leader like Kemal, some one like him is hard needed in Afghanistan to wipe weak sell out like you.

http://lostislamichistory.com/how-ataturk-made-turkey-secular/

The only reason Kemal could rise to power is becuase dum imbecils of sultanate entered WWI and lost the war what led to invasion of their country.

Your link doesn't exactly follow the narrative you state.

THIS IS from your link.

]Mustafa Kemal’s skewed [and quite frankly, factually incorrect] views of Islamic history helped push his nationalist agenda. Using Turkish identity as a rallying point,

And then this

This new system of government could not work, however, so long as there continued to be a rival government in Istanbul, led by the Ottoman sultan. The Ankara and Istanbul governments both claimed sovereignty over Turkey, and had frankly conflicting goals. Atatürk eliminated this problem on November 1, 1922, when he abolished the Ottoman sultanate, which had existed since 1299, and officially transferred its power to the GNA. He did not immediately abolish the caliphate, however. Although the sultanate was no more, he allowed the Ottoman caliphate to continue to exist, although with no official powers, only as a symbolic figurehead.

Abdülmecid II, the last caliph who held the office from 1922 to 1924.
Abdülmecid II, the last caliph who held the office from 1922 to 1924.

Knowing that this move would be very unpopular among the Turkish people, Atatürk justified it by claiming he was simply going back to a traditional Islamic form of government. From the 900s to the 1500s, the Abbasid caliphs were mostly figureheads, with real power being in the hands of viziers or warlords. Atatürk used this example to justify his creation of a powerless caliphate.

So he actually lied and deceived the Turkish people to gain power.

I'm not for Islamic Government; but having to lie to gain power is sign of being corrupt and ****bag.

[Azmal]

The freedom to lynch people is the result of a weak government. This is the main reason I hate the Afghan and Pakistani governments so much. The inability of them to protect the innocent, the poor and the helpless is criminal in itself. Governments purpose is to protect and if it cant do that, it should not exist. If you cant do it, step aside and pave the way for someone who can.

When gov enforces morality—just as central planning communist or akhond of Iran/Taliban it will only lead to totalitarianism. Muslims of Afghanistan need to ask themselves about THEIR sense of responsibility? As an individual and as society. But then as Muslims in general have proven themselves to be robotic automatons on the ready to go whacko at any stimulus they find offensive. When a leading Islamic scholar in one of famous Kabul Majid justifies beating and burning a girl alive then there is morality problem of society.
I think the limits to an individual’s liberty ought to be enshrined in the Law on the one hand, and at the mercy of one’s own conscience on the other. Whereas the former applies limitations on our freedoms only from interfering with the freedoms of other individuals, the latter is one that is needed through active propagation amid religious discourse. In Muslim societies, the role of the Mullah should not be to police our moral behavior, but rather, to work on propagating the faith through active debate and written persuasion. If you really are committed to your faith, then surely you can muster the strength to withstand discourse, otherwise your faith isn’t worth two pennies.

[Azmal]

You are just copying Khostia. Clearly both of you are not thinking.

Attaturk, Pahlavi of Iran, Amanallah khan, Taraki, Amin, Najib are all foreign products. They are not the product of the land. Their ideals were foreign ideals(not that there is anything wrong with foreign ideals), but they forced it on people who did not want them nor were used to such ideals.

There were no mullah omars before any of these guys. In fact the ottoman sultanates before attaturk took loans from europe to modernize their empire which actually made them more dependent on europe and paved the way for european influence that eventually overwhelmed them. All attaturk accomplished was to suppress their kurdish minority.

What are all native products then? Deobandi School (from India) and many others of the type, Paki state-funded mufties, and Paki State(before British) sponsored Mullahs..none of these are also indigenous to Afghan or Pashtons. Afghan/Pashtons being a proud nation/ethnicity with history going back thousands of years do not need a religious identity. In other words the use of religion as a means for acquiring political power either in Afghanistan or in Pakistan. What I find truly absurd however is most of so called islamist and their sympathizer of calling democracy, freedom and human rights as foreigners yet at the same time they wear the mass-produced clothing fashioned by machines produced in the west, drive cars invented by liberal minds, their struggle for a longer life is assisted by technological innovations in non-Muslim countries, they get rich by selling the oil once exploited and then demanded by liberal industrialized nations, their best schools borrow from the knowledge gained from liberal Democracies. Worst Muslims engaged in the heinous crimes with weapon and technology produced by liberal democracies yet the western idea is nonnative (Before it was simply kafir and now it’s non-native.)
In western countries…somewhere along their gradual evolution to nationhood, there were people who figured that if their faith in god was real, then it wouldn’t matter if others refuse to share their religious perspective, so long as they’ve the right to practice their belief in peace. It is this mentality in all Liberal Democracies that has ensured discourse, the creativity it stimulates, the subsequent productivity it leads to, and the general prosperity it practically guarantees. If the United States performs better than the rest of her counterparts, it is because of the fact that unlike the Europeans, Americans additionally ensure a liberal business climate. You cannot ignore the positive correlation between freedom and economic prosperity. A lack of freedom is precisely why Muslim nations are in an eternal state of coma. It’s about time we all woke up!

[pashtanajan]

The Pashtun way is to shoot a woman in a soccer stadium. Tajiks have a lot to learn...

lol I'm not an ethnocentric but I think shooting someone in the head inflicts less pain on them than beating them to death, riding a car over them, drowning them, and then setting them on fire. haha