Stockholm syndrome

[ghumbasa]

Only difference between us and west ll be that we ll make sure no innocent is harmed.Coz west believ in "By deception thou shalt win wars".We dont believe in this non sense.

[Azmal]

Bacha khan was not a prophet.Our prophet mohammad saww had warned us of nationalism.I prefer prophet mohammad sawwwords over bacha khan

Stockholm definition implies to INVADED countries not to freed states.Afg has literal presence of americans.

Here you go again, when corner he brings Islam--seriously how could you pakis live with yourself? Free states? What you consider free? Your whole existing is due to your servitude to British!
When we talking about Islam tell us how a Muslim can be successor of Kafir for another Muslims? As Pakistan is for Afghanistan and Pashtons.

[Azmal]

First let's look at what Stockhold syndrome is:
Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.

I have seen numerous time on this forum that a member ghumbasa brings this up in her argumentation whenever she is having a debate. This is especially used against pro Afghan members. Members that are from the Pakistani side of durand line and who want's freedom.

Apparently we are hostages and express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward our captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with our captors - apparently she believes we are taken hostage by Afghans.

"If we look at history all our leaders from this side of durand line want a separation from Pakistan! You go ask the leadership of ANP and all of them will say they would love to separate from Pakistan. Go ask Mehmood Khan Achakzai he will answer the same - Of course they won't say this publicly because then they would be put in jails like Bacha Khan Baba, Ghani Khan and thousands of others. Bacha Khan baba even requested to be buried in Jalalabad because he did not want to be put to rest on occupataid land.

Watch this. No better leader in modern Pashtun history then Bacha Khan:

Listen to his last words.
"Ma sara da wada wokay"
"Che Mung pa koshish kawo da Pakhtun da youwali"
Now don't come and tell me he is not Pashtun, but Afghanistani... Btw it's Afghan"
(Taken from Jamaludin in the other thread, Liked it very much. Well put)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFPQS24lhsc

It is so ironic because reality is the exact opposite!

No one can deny that we belonged to one country - Afghanistan! The british separated us and promised to give us back to Afghanistan after 100 years!

So in our case we are Hostages and the captor is Pakistan and Ghumbasa and many others have developed empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward this captor Pakistan and to the point that they defend and identify themselves with the captors.

So ghumbasa don't use the Stockhold syndrome in the wrong context anymore.

Well said! But wait gumnasa is a she?

[ghumbasa]

Here you go again, when corner he brings Islam--seriously how could you pakis live with yourself? Free states? What you consider free? Your whole existing is due to your servitude to British!
When we talking about Islam tell us how a Muslim can be successor of Kafir for another Muslims? As Pakistan is for Afghanistan and Pashtons.

Learn manners properly before putting forth your points.You still lack Adaab and akhlaq.Our whole existsnce is because of Allah.Undo history if you can go back to past moron.

Well said! But wait gumnasa is a she?*

Your mother is also a she.

[Azmal]

Don't insult her. She is married 44 years old.

Where did he insult her?
I just finish reading Ali jinnah biography by Stanley Wolpert “Jinnah of Pakistan.” He was an interesting character, grandson of a Barahman Hindu convert, a womanizer, alcohol drinker and pork eater. He would fantasize about “Islamic nation” while drinking whiskey (his favorite drink) and eating his pork chop. The identity crisis of Pakistan is seen vividly in person of her founder Ali Jennah!

[Azmal]

Learn manners properly before putting forth your points.You still lack Adaab and akhlaq.Our whole existsnce is because of Allah.Undo history if you can go back to past moron.

Your mother is also a she.

I doubt God be this cruel to create a cancer that brainwashed innocent village kids into suicide bomber, who destroy a whole tribe for crimes of a single member(collective punishment), who elites and ruling class takes Allah name but their character, habits and even thinking are all absolutely inhuman!—awarding gang rape as punishment for a lower caste boy sister who has socialize with upper caste woman.(where in Islam is caste system?) These are not work of Allah, for he is love and merciful, he is all noble and 100% holy! Creation of Pakistan is work of Evil(Shytaan) and yea good allows Shytaan freedom in this world to fool and deceive mankind.

[ghumbasa]

I doubt God be this cruel to create a cancer that brainwashed innocent village kids into suicide bomber, who destroy a whole tribe for crimes of a single member(collective punishment), who elites and ruling class takes Allah name but their character, habits and even thinking are all absolutely inhuman!—awarding gang rape as punishment for a lower caste boy sister who has socialize with upper caste woman.(where in Islam is caste system?) These are not work of Allah, for he is love and merciful, he is all noble and 100% holy! Creation of Pakistan is work of Evil(Shytaan) and yea good allows Shytaan freedom in this world to fool and deceive mankind.

More true colors of your faith emerging.Creation of pakistan or afg 60 yrs ago or 5000 yrs ago resp was in the power of Allah.You still lack comprehension of understanding the depth of what i am saying.As i said...learn manners first.

Where did he insult her?*
I just finish reading Ali jinnah biography by Stanley Wolpert “Jinnah of Pakistan.” He was an interesting character, grandson of a Barahman Hindu convert, a womanizer, alcohol drinker and pork eater. He would fantasize about “Islamic nation” while drinking whiskey (his favorite drink) and eating his pork chop. The identity crisis of Pakistan is seen vividly in person of her founder Ali Jennah!

I am no fan of jinnah or bacha khan.My inspiration is not what you think.Try those tactics on someone else.

[Azmal]

More true colors of your faith emerging.Creation of pakistan or afg 60 yrs ago or 5000 yrs ago resp was in the power of Allah.You still lack comprehension of understanding the depth of what i am saying.As i said...learn manners first.

Are you saying Awsibellah Allah does Evil?
Yes Allah is ala kull sha’in qadir but he is holy from all evil! He allows evil and suffering like creation of Pakistan so he can test men’s patience and steadfastness.

I am no fan of jinnah or bacha khan.My inspiration is not what you think.Try those tactics on someone else.[/QUOTE]



You should not take name of Fakhir e Afghan in vain. I suggest instead of reading bs Pakistani books, you go read impartial sources---read about Bacha khan character and compare it to Jennah.
Tell me something how someone who cannot even practice Islam claim to do Muslims good? You should let your personal feeling and attachment and think with cool head.
Bacha khan as politician had made some mistakes and we all Afghans suffer because of his and our other leaders mistakes but to equal him to Ali Jennah is not just unfair but a big slap at face of every single Afghan. I know you hate us Afghans but seriously that’s just low!

[ghumbasa]

Are you saying Awsibellah Allah does Evil?
Yes Allah is ala kull sha’in qadir but he is holy from all evil! He allows evil and suffering like creation of Pakistan so he can test men’s patience and steadfastness.

I am no fan of jinnah or bacha khan.My inspiration is not what you think.Try those tactics on someone else.

You should not take name of Fakhir e Afghan in vain. I suggest instead of reading bs Pakistani books, you go read impartial sources---read about Bacha khan character and compare it to Jennah.
Tell me something how someone who cannot even practice Islam claim to do Muslims good? You should let your personal feeling and attachment and think with cool head.
Bacha khan as politician had made some mistakes and we all Afghans suffer because of his and our other leaders mistakes but to equal him to Ali Jennah is not just unfair but a big slap at face of every single Afghan. I know you hate us Afghans but seriously that’s just low!

I ve read the crap of nationalism hundred times and it doesnt attract me one bit.Just like semitism genes disgust me so does afg obsession of genes despite the fact that i am born one.So dont try to teach me this useless crap of nationalism.I dont want to embrace hellfire neither like any other person to go through it.
Jinnah never promoted nationalism...but his life style and faith wasnt muslim one.Bacha khan was muslim but died for nationalism.

You dont know me whether i practice islam or not...so question only when you know.But still i ll answer your question.A muslim can be a sinner whether major or minor...but there are things strictly prohibited that can make one out of islam fold if you dies with such beliefs or practices.
I dont hate afghans but their arrogance and stupidity of not seeing things in a way they shoukd look.Mighty of nations were destroyed because of their arrogance...its the same for pakistanis as well if they dont humble or stop corruption.Arrogants ve their hearts sealed.

[Azmal]

I ve read the crap of nationalism hundred times and it doesnt attract me one bit.Just like semitism genes disgust me so does afg obsession of genes despite the fact that i am born one.So dont try to teach me this useless crap of nationalism.I dont want to embrace hellfire neither like any other person to go through it.
Jinnah never promoted nationalism...but his life style and faith wasnt muslim one.Bacha khan was muslim but died for nationalism.

You dont know me whether i practice islam or not...so question only when you know.But still i ll answer your question.A muslim can be a sinner whether major or minor...but there are things strictly prohibited that can make one out of islam fold if you dies with such beliefs or practices.
I dont hate afghans but their arrogance and stupidity of not seeing things in a way they shoukd look.Mighty of nations were destroyed because of their arrogance...its the same for pakistanis as well if they dont humble or stop corruption.Arrogants ve their hearts sealed.

Your idea is distorted and yet you use the same idea to judge others. First of all there is no such a thing as Afghan genes, for racially we Afghans are mixed lots. Afghan is a cultural group not racial!
You state that you hate Semitics and their idea of genies which was the reason for creation of Israel and yet you forget your own Pakistan was created with same idea. Jenah logic for creation of Pakistan was that only religion can be based as a source of identity and you think this is racist? Indeed why you can favor one and even justify creation of Pakistan even when it have had cases tremendous suffering for your own Afghans both lar aw bar but then at the same time object union of Afghans across Durrand?
We are not extremist or racist, what we demand is god given right, as I ask you before if the idea for separation of Punjab was Hindu vs Muslim what is the justification for separation of Pashtons? At the same time how can a Muslim be a successor of a oppressor Kafir for follow Muslims?

[ghumbasa]

Your idea is distorted and yet you use the same idea to judge others. First of all there is no such a thing as Afghan genes, for racially we Afghans are mixed lots. Afghan is a cultural group not racial!
You state that you hate Semitics and their idea of genies which was the reason for creation of Israel and yet you forget your own Pakistan was created with same idea. Jenah logic for creation of Pakistan was that only religion can be based as a source of identity and you think this is racist? Indeed why you can favor one and even justify creation of Pakistan even when it have had cases tremendous suffering for your own Afghans both lar aw bar but then at the same time object union of Afghans across Durrand?
We are not extremist or racist, what we demand is god given right, as I ask you before if the idea for separation of Punjab was Hindu vs Muslim what is the justification for separation of Pashtons? At the same time how can a Muslim be a successor of a oppressor Kafir for follow Muslims?

Ad hominem.I dont like racism or genes superiority or generalising people.Afg have that problem.