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  • Pakistan and terrorists as strategic assets!?

    The question is will Pakistan continue its using of non-state actors, which are militants and terrorist outfits such as Taliban, Lashkar e Taiba etc. as its strategic assets vis a vis Afghanistan and India etc.? Or will we see a palpable change in this policy now that we see at least diplomatic rapprochement and cooperation (with Afghanistan) stressed over "common threat". We also notice that use of language from Afghanistan is more specific and underscore that it expects from Pakistan practical and "effective" steps in this regard. On the other hand from Pakistan and its pledge of cooperation it is not discernible as to how it would cooperate in relation to the issue of Afghan Taliban which it hosts and considers as a strategic asset. Time will tell.




    Peshawar school massacre: Pakistan's watershed Taliban moment?

    By Aamer Ahmed Khan
    Editor, BBC Urdu, Islamabad


    For a nation that has lost more than 70,000 people in 13 years to terror attacks, it is not easy to talk of watersheds.

    But the brutal Taliban attack on an army-run school in Peshawar which killed more than 130 children may well be a watershed for a country that has long been accused by the world of treating terrorists as strategic assets.

    The day after the attack, as a nation mourned and Peshawar buried its dead, Pakistan's top political leadership announced that it was no longer willing to make any distinction between "good" and "bad" Taliban. Flanked by his arch rivals and allies, Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif vowed to carry on fighting until the last terrorist was killed.

    As he was making the announcement, Pakistan's army chief General Raheel Sharif was meeting Afghan President Ashraf Ghani and International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) commanders in Kabul to seek their assistance in fighting a menace which he said had "hit the heart of the Pakistani nation".

    Could this, then, be the watershed Pakistan has been in search of for years?

    The answer probably lies in the prime minister's statement, which is not only about a new intent but also about an admission: for years Pakistan has pursued a duplicitous policy towards various shades of militant organisations operating out of its territory.

    Simply put, those active against Isaf in Afghanistan or against Indian security forces across the Line of Control in Kashmir were the "good" Taliban. But those who had affiliated themselves to al-Qaeda after 9/11 and carried out terror attacks inside Pakistan were the "bad" ones.

    The problem, of course, was this distinction was never as clear in Taliban minds as it was in Pakistan's policy makers'. Often co-operating organisationally and operationally, the continuously splintering Taliban groups continued to benefit from the fruits of Pakistan's policy confusion. In the process, they consolidated their bases in the country's lawless tribal belt unchecked.

    The inaction of General Kayani, Raheel Sharif's predecessor, was an additional bonus for the Taliban. In his six-year tenure, he came under strong criticism for failing to devise an effective counter terrorism approach even after the government gave him complete authority to do so.

    Consequently, every fresh Taliban attack on soldiers steadily raised the disquiet and resentment within military ranks - not only against the government but also its own leadership.

    That was why Gen Sharif lost no time in launching what he called an indiscriminate operation earlier in the year in North and South Waziristan, the two tribal agencies most under Taliban control.

    But still mired in their policy confusion, Pakistan's political leadership's response to his initiative was lukewarm. Gen Sharif categorically said "we will get them", be they Pakistani Taliban, Punjabi Taliban, al-Qaeda and affiliates, or most importantly, the dreaded Haqqani network. But the country's political leadership chose to remain largely silent.

    The Peshawar attack seems to have changed that.

    Sheer brutality

    In the short term, the Taliban may have got what they wanted. They were able to hit the army where it hurts the most. The 128 army-run schools in the country are home to more than 150,000 students, 90% of them are children of serving army officers.

    The attack has brought the fight home to the army in its most horrific form.

    The militants have also demonstrated that despite the army's claims of having destroyed their operational and organisational capability, they are present and still capable of planning and hitting at will, where they want.

    A bonus of course has been the media spectacle that has gone beyond Pakistan's borders.

    But in doing so, they have also brought home the sheer brutality of this conflict.

    Behind every student they killed in Peshawar, lurked their anger and frustration at what many among them must perceive as an about-turn by a former sympathiser, if not exactly an ally.

    For the Taliban, the attack was an act of pure revenge. There doesn't seem to be any strategic or political thinking behind it other than their known philosophy of ruling through terror. It seems to matter little to them that it may have pushed Pakistan's civil and military leadership into rethinking its good-Taliban-bad-Taliban approach.

    More important for Gen Sharif, though, is the fact that if there was any measure of sympathy for the Taliban within the army, which was their chief mentor only a decade ago, it must have been washed away in the tears of hundreds of grieving military families across Pakistan.

    Does it then mean that the real war on terror has finally started in Pakistan?

    It is far too early to venture a credible guess given the historic complexity of Pakistan's relationship with the Taliban.

    But what is clear is that Pakistan is now looking for visible and demonstrable revenge - which may perhaps come only from a trade-off with Afghanistan on each other's "good" and "bad" Taliban.

    In a country with a 35-year history of rearing militant groups for its strategic objectives, perhaps that is as far as a watershed can go. At least for now
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    Last edited by ComradePashtun; 12-18-2014, 06:07 PM.

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    At least as a matter of moral principle and as a show of respect to the innocent children killed in one of the worst tragedy and atrocity committed in our life-time by TTP terrorists, can we expect Pakistani government particularly its military and ISI and their ideologues such as Da Banu Mazdiga, the crazy mullah chick here Ghumbasa etc. to condemn acts of terror by Afghan Taliban and the Haqani group etc. in which scores and hundreds of innocent Afghan men, women and children are killed?
    Last edited by ComradePashtun; 12-18-2014, 06:23 PM.

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    • #3
      Ok,so lets focus on the subject.

      NOTE 1: Yes Pakistan has Supported terrorist for strategic purpose as does USA in the past or NDS of Afghanistan today or India in Balochistan.

      Why Pakistan supported terrorists in Afghanistan?which back than were called mujahideen?Well it supported because it was in the american pocket ever since the entry of Pakistan into SEATO,Which made Russia a natural ally of India while America of Pakistan until 1993-4-5.

      What Pakistan got from Supporting terrorist in Afghanistan?Blind eye of the west toward its nuclear program?really?taliban are the phenomena of late 80's while Pakistan had a working bomb as earlier as 1981 and a tested one in 1983.than why?to be precise,to kill the pashtunistan movement.

      Why Pakistan feared the pashtunistan movement?was Pakistan always anti Afghanistna from the beginning?Pakistan feared pashtunistan movement after tha bajaur invasion in the 60's and sorry no,Pakistan had the mindset of fake muslim ummah concept,lead to its destruction and had wanted to have good good good good with fake muslim ummah concept and muslim countries

      Why ISI made Afghanistan unstable?Because Afghanistan threatened the existance of Pakistan with pashtunistan movement,half of the territory was at stake.on a pure nationalist view,they did it to protect the country.

      NOTE 1.0: I hope the mods will keep this thread off from thr trolls for a true discussion on how to minimize the lost trust between the two countries and defeat talibs together
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      • #4
        Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
        At least as a matter of moral principle and as a show of respect to the innocent children killed in one of the worst tragedy in our life-time by TTP terrorists, can we expect Pakistani government particularly its military and ISI and their ideologues such as Da Banu Mazdiga, the crazy mullah chick here Ghumbasa etc. to condemn acts of terror by Afghan Taliban and the Haqani group etc. in which scores and hundreds of innocent Afghan men, women and children are killed?
        if you recall my history in this forum

        I had always considered talibs as sub humans.i have never generalized Pakistan talibs as bad and afghan talibs as good.

        i have always believed that talibs has done the most damage to pashtuns.far more than ISI or NDS..

        On ocassion i have referred to talibs as pigs,i am confessing in public
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        • #5
          I beg to differ and you are absolutely wrong. Facts are facts and it is criminal to claim that Taliban are the mujahideen of the anti-Soviet resistance. So please be corrected!

          The support of Taliban as a neo-fundementalist group distinct from mujahideen and helped and assisted by Pakistan are/were in fact to first to counter the mujahideen was a project under the rubric of strategic depth and the entailing ambitions. The issue of Pashtunistan in my humble opinion was a no concern for Pakistan which was long dead.
          Last edited by ComradePashtun; 12-18-2014, 06:34 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
            if you recall my history in this forum

            I had always considered talibs as sub humans.i have never generalized Pakistan talibs as bad and afghan talibs as good.

            i have always believed that talibs has done the most damage to pashtuns.far more than ISI or NDS..

            On ocassion i have referred to talibs as pigs,i am confessing in public
            Well thanks clarifying that on a personal level. You know well your army and ISI actively and as we speak are hosting and are supporting them.

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            • #7
              Pakistan took advantage of Afghanistan's weakness after the soviet defeat and endeavored to bring it on its feet and thought it would be best able to control it through the Talib zombies. For this dream even under Taliban would have not come true in my opinion.

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              • #8
                Lets leave the past behind us. Pakistan should cease its support for Hqani terrorists and other militants it has been actively harbouring and supporting and cooperate with Afghanistan. It does not need to fear anything as the two countries would naturally ally with one another and shares common destiny.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                  I beg to differ and you are absolutely wrong. Facts are facts and it is criminal to claim that Taliban are the mujahideen of the anti-Soviet resistance. So please be corrected!

                  The support of Taliban as a neo-fundementalist group distinct from mujahideen and helped and assisted by Pakistan are/were in fact to first to counter the mujahideen was a project under the rubric of strategic depth and the entailing ambitions. The issue of Pashtunistan in my humble opinion was a no concern for Pakistan which was long dead.
                  So who are the taliban than?

                  to be precise,where are those mujahideen now?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                    Pakistan took advantage of Afghanistan's weakness after the soviet defeat and endeavored to bring it on its feet and thought it would be best able to control it through the Talib zombies. For this dream even under Taliban would have not come true in my opinion.
                    I don't agree,infact i rather agree with H khan on this part.Pakistan(the establishment to be precise) never ever wanted to merge any territory of Afghanistan with Pakistan?why?because it will simply kill the "Pakistaniat".

                    You see,The establishment had tried hard to integrate pashtuns with the rest of the pakistani community,today they are somehow integrated as baloch insurgency was never considered a thread due to its weaker numbers and no unity.Admission of any amount of people from Afghanistan might wind up the pashtun movement again leading to the split of Pakistan on ethnic basis within few decades.

                    You see,ISI motto is Pakistan first and Islam later.So i don't agree about this part.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                      So who are the taliban than?

                      to be precise,where are those mujahideen now?
                      You would know who they are and if you cannot differentiate them or pretend to not then there will be no point to have the discussion beyond here.

                      All mujahideen with exception of Gulbadin Hekamtyar are all part of the current government, or at least were part of Karzai's government.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                        Lets leave the past behind us. Pakistan should cease its support for Hqani terrorists and other militants it has been actively harbouring and supporting and cooperate with Afghanistan. It does not need to fear anything as the two countries would naturally ally with one another and shares common destiny.
                        I agree and i see it becoming a reality.

                        Raheel Sharif as COAS.Dr Ashraf ghani as President.I see the build up of trust.it will take time but we are on the right path

                        The only fault on our side is Nawaz sharif,he doesn't know anything about foreign policy as he's a matric fail while Imran khan had to give up his protest for the sake of the country otherwise nawaz sharif govt was all set to get down by 23th march 2014
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                          I don't agree,infact i rather agree with H khan on this part.Pakistan(the establishment to be precise) never ever wanted to merge any territory of Afghanistan with Pakistan?why?because it will simply kill the "Pakistaniat".

                          You see,The establishment had tried hard to integrate pashtuns with the rest of the pakistani community,today they are somehow integrated as baloch insurgency was never considered a thread due to its weaker numbers and no unity.Admission of any amount of people from Afghanistan might wind up the pashtun movement again leading to the split of Pakistan on ethnic basis within few decades.

                          You see,ISI motto is Pakistan first and Islam later.So i don't agree about this part.
                          I never stated "merging"but controlling and making become a satellite state.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ComradePashtun View Post
                            I never stated "merging"but controlling and making become a satellite state.
                            it was a biggest blunder in the history of Pakistan even musharaf had admitted this recently.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                              I agree and i see it becoming a reality.

                              Raheel Sharif as COAS.Dr Ashraf ghani as President.I see the build up of trust.it will take time but we are on the right path

                              The only fault on our side is Nawaz sharif,he doesn't know anything about foreign policy as he's a matric fail while Imran khan had to give up his protest for the sake of the country otherwise nawaz sharif govt was all set to get down by 23th march 2014
                              We see Nawaz Sharif as more sincere and look eye to eye on the issue of Taliban and terrorism. You army Afghanistan is still skeptic about and it still is hanging on to its agenda. We would know when it is sincere and we don't see it that way. We see it as it is bent on cashing into its assets (Taliban) and influencing the outcome of any potential peace talks with Taliban. We realise that political solution is a must for our problem and we could not solve it other way, but this has to be on our terms, on the terms of majority of the Afghan population which is the absolute majority of Pashtuns and others. Not the Talibs and their supporters.
                              Last edited by ComradePashtun; 12-18-2014, 07:01 PM.

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