The End of Baloch insurgency?:Malik Siraj Akbar

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1. He's an ex-Pakistani military officer of Baloch background who writes online and is relatively well known. His email is available on the internet and I have emailed him a few times. I am not a friend by any means I just ask questions.

Maybe the Baloch insurgency is dying who knows.

I am only here to speak objectively.

Abdul Qadir Baloch?

The contempt with which Paksitanis hold towards Bengalis can be seen in Karachi where even Pakistani friends of mine have expressed regret at the humiliating treatment towards Bengalis.

I'm not aware but there are some famous Bengalis like Alamgir.

There is no easy solution, but there are good people and bad people, good Pakistanis and bad Pakistanis e.g. good Pakistanis such as Ansar Burney, Maulana Edhi, Hamid Mir, Asma Jahangir, bad Pakistanis such as Hamid Gul, Imran Khan, Niazi, Bhutto etc.

I wouldn't put Mir and Asma in the same line with Edhi, the first two have their political agendas but Edhi is a genuine philanthropist.

Imran Khan is a good Pakistani, he has done a lot for the country and i think he is at least honest compared to other politicians.

6. Imran Khan is supported by the Pakistani military-intelligence nexus and has been close to Hamid Gul in the past and is also close to former ISI chief, Shuja Pasha.

[B]Khan is pro-Taliban, pro-Jamaat, anti-Bangladeshi and though he tries to cover it is actually against Pashtun nationalism but in favour of a pan-Pakistani nationalism which in the long term erodes Pashtun culture and identity as has taken place in Mianwali and other places.

even if Imran is supported by ISI, other politicians are too and some even backed by CIA and NDS

[B]7. Pakistan in the 60s was flourishing. It was more advanced than South Korea or Malaysia who looked up to it. If it had continued on that trajectory it would be more like Iran or Malaysia rather than being more like Iraq or Afghanistan.

yes and it was during Ayub Khans reign, so I don't think Imran Khan ruling is a bad idea, he has a plan for for development but won't push the armies buttons or step on their foot like nawaz.

Musharaff - though I do not like him - was a very good ruler and would be remembered as the second greatest leader after Jinnah if it were not for what happened in 2007.

yes, that was one bad year

2007 is the year when Pakistan's problems really started e.g. the lawyers movement, Lal Masjid and the huge upsurge in Taliban violence. Prior to that everyone loved Musharraf. He revived the economy, was a nationalist, engaged in infrastructure projects and locked up vicious terrorists like the anti-Shia Sipa i Sahaba

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He was good except his biggest mistake was allegely killing Bugti, though some sources say that the Marris killed him with remote control bomb to ignite the rebellion

[B]9. a: On a personal side note I have actually met the Khan of Kalat and shaken hands with him.

A Baloch secretly told me many Baloch actually laugh at him and look down on him because in real terms the late Khairbaksh Marri and Ataullah Mengal had more influence than a comparative "nobody" like the Khan.

Maybe but Khan of Kalat is royalty and a spirtual leader for Baloch/Brahui and Baloch nationalists claim that the Khanate of Kalat was forced by Pak army to join Pakistan, but now that reports are coming that Khan of Kalat might return to Pakistan(he had a fallout with other leaders and just met Achakzair for reconciliation), so if Khan of Kalat now returns to Pakistan and retracts his old statements and then say that Kalat state joined Pakistan by will then this will dealt a blow to Baloch nationalists biggest argument.

b: Pakistan was created by the British and so were its army and ISI.

Yes but we gained independence from them so obviously we will inherit the institutions and just like Afghan national army was created and formed by America, it was armed and trained by them and they recieve commands from NATO, so it wouldn't be fair to say Afghan army and intel were created by Americans.

The Americans are the inheritors of their Anglo-Saxon cousins the British.

The US can financially pull the plug on the Pakistan project if it wanted to, the Sindhi-dominated PPP and Bhuttos would be more than happy to be rulers of a 50 million strong Sindh which they can dominate and not have to share power with others such as the PML-N or Pakistan military.

But a lot of people in Sindh aren't Sindhis, i think 20-25 million people are non-sindhi particularly in Karachi and Hyderabad and there are many Punjabi farmers in interior sindh, Bhuttos will never be able to subjugate a cohesive nation and sindh can not even divorce Punjab because they both are joined and all rivers flow from Punjab so, Sindh will always have a softer line towards Punjab and vice versa.

[gadoonwal]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/malik-...b_6090920.html
@Friends of Baloch

keep dreaming chaudry.
you already lost Baluchistan.
The world is watching.
your napak army killed three hundered thousands BALUCHS.
BALUCHS ARE IN TOUCH WITH WORLD POWERS AND THEY WILL RAPE THE ENTIRE NAPAK ARMY.

[ghumbasa]

keep dreaming chaudry.
you already lost Baluchistan.
The world is watching.
your napak army killed three hundered thousands BALUCHS.
BALUCHS ARE IN TOUCH WITH WORLD POWERS AND THEY WILL RAPE THE ENTIRE NAPAK ARMY.

It seems like you dont know whats exactly happening.Balochistan crisis is a drama.Keep no mercy for BLA...this group is killing pashtuns in balochistan.Not talking about simple balochs...but the group baloch liberation army is diverting attention from pashtuns genocide.Its fund comes from black water.The cars of black water have red flags when they carry out their operations.Girls are hired for this purposes...which they kill later on even.

[Karachi]

It seems like you dont know whats exactly happening.Balochistan crisis is a drama.Keep no mercy for BLA...this group is killing pashtuns in balochistan.Not talking about simple balochs...but the group baloch liberation army is diverting attention from pashtuns genocide.Its fund comes from black water.The cars of black water have red flags when they carry out their operations.Girls are hired for this purposes...which they kill later on even.

and the pakistan army is Allahs Islamic army according to you and tripledouble.

[ghumbasa]

and the pakistan army is Allahs Islamic army according to you and tripledouble.

lol..it seems you veng checked the posts and videos i ve posted in sign of end times showing the army as well as any force oppressing poor refugees as tyrants.

However door of repentence is still open to any muslim no matter how much a muslim is tyrant till sun rises from west...after which no repentence from Allah ll be accepted.So i always pray not only for poor refugees and true mujahideen but also for the guidance of any misguided muslim or group.We never know when Allah changes the hearts of people.Ask Allah of kher instead of sharr.

[gadoonwal]

It seems like you dont know whats exactly happening.Balochistan crisis is a drama.Keep no mercy for BLA...this group is killing pashtuns in balochistan.Not talking about simple balochs...but the group baloch liberation army is diverting attention from pashtuns genocide.Its fund comes from black water.The cars of black water have red flags when they carry out their operations.Girls are hired for this purposes...which they kill later on even.

You are speaking the language of punjabi establishment.
The Baluch never killed pashtuns before.
The pashtuns in the army are the servants of punjabis.
Most of the soldiers/fc are pashtuns and they killed thousands of Innocents Baluch for punjabistan.Even shaheed akbar khan Bugti was killed by gulam/pashtun army officer.Sell out and benang pashtuns better die .They are canser for our nation.
Now i have no mercy for the gulaman of punjab.If they get killed by BLA heroes so what?
The isi owned mullas and sell out pashtuns better die.
Our nation will suffer with hands of sell out.
whoever offer high price they will sell poor pashtuns.
Pashtuns and Baluch lived side by side in peace for centuries.
Our culture is similar.Now they decided to get freedom from gulami .
On the other side pashtuns are happy with gulami of punjab.
Even punjab snached everything from pashtuns and killing pashtuns like rats but the culture of gulami is alive and going well.
You can,nt compare brave BALUCH WITH pashtuns.
Patriotic and geratmand pashtuns support the freedom of Baluch brothers.
Long live azad Baluchistan
Long live azad pashtunistan and afghanistan.

[ghumbasa]

You are speaking the language of punjabi establishment.
The Baluch never killed pashtuns before.
The pashtuns in the army are the servants of punjabis.
Most of the soldiers/fc are pashtuns and they killed thousands of Innocents Baluch for punjabistan.Even shaheed akbar khan Bugti was killed by gulam/pashtun army officer.Sell out and benang pashtuns better die .They are canser for our nation.
Now i have no mercy for the gulaman of punjab.If they get killed by BLA heroes so what?
The isi owned mullas and sell out pashtuns better die.
Our nation will suffer with hands of sell out.
whoever offer high price they will sell poor pashtuns.
Pashtuns and Baluch lived side by side in peace for centuries.
Our culture is similar.Now they decided to get freedom from gulami .
On the other side pashtuns are happy with gulami of punjab.
Even punjab snached everything from pashtuns and killing pashtuns like rats but the culture of gulami is alive and going well.
You can,nt compare brave BALUCH WITH pashtuns.
Patriotic and geratmand pashtuns support the freedom of Baluch brothers.
Long live azad Baluchistan
Long live azad pashtunistan and afghanistan.

I didnt compare baluch with pashtuns because they are entirely different group of people ...they belong to that army which abandoned Ali ra...betrayed them.Only in baluchistan some of mixing is there between pashtuns and baluchs ...regions wise.If they are fighting under the banner of nationalism like anp or any other pashtuns,.or any other sindhis for sindhudesh or hazaras for hazara province etc....it has nothing to do with islam...nor with victory either.

Your blind hatred for any ethnicity shouldnt affect your objective approach to the fact that because of corrupt rulers and politicians that are present at the top of every ethnicity or province or region....has nothing to do with the poor and suffering of same people that are as much affected as others.

Baluch sardars have long history of corruption too.Had they cared they wouldnt ve been wending their sons and daughters to american or western universities while keeping the masses illeterate....handing them guns to protect them.When it comes to problems of masses...rulers,leaders,politiciansalways run abroad...leaving behind miserable masses to suffer.They could ve chose to fight till last breath...they dont...the only bugti that fight till last was Akbar bugti....no one else.

Same goes for any pashtun ,hazara ,sindhi or punjabi nationalists.Its nothing to do with rights of masses but their race for power.The more control you ve over masses more you can loot their rights.

Ofcourse any pashtun involved in killing of other pashtuns is the son of samri of bani israel.Samri the magician.But it doesnt mean ANP or PTI or sherpao,diesali mala or bilour etc are there for pashtuns...its poliyics for tyem all..Sold out souls.I am sure if problem arises...all ll run to abroad.

[ghumbasa]

@Also...cultures of pashtuns are similar to many nations ..does it mean both are one ? Cultural aspects can be borrowed...or adopted for survival...or original since all are children of adam...at one point of time they were converged ..now spread across the world.

And btw..its the pashtuns masses that are suffering in huge numbers than balochs.Everywhere drama of war over ethnicity,sects,sources etc is created purposely to divert attention from suffering refugees of afg and pakistan...that ll rise as mehdi forces.You wont find much compaigns for pashtuns but for every other group or ethnicity merely because they want to divert attention and media is also sold out.

[tripledouble]

keep dreaming chaudry.

I'm not chaudry, u must be gujjar.

you already lost Baluchistan.
The world is watching.

Wow what it is the war about then?We lost it but they're still fighting, wow.

your napak army killed three hundered thousands BALUCHS.
BALUCHS ARE IN TOUCH WITH WORLD POWERS AND THEY WILL RAPE THE ENTIRE NAPAK ARMY.

lolol where u get this number from?As usual u pull out info from your buttcrack, at least give me a reliable link from a reputed source.

The article I shared is from Malik Siraj Akbar, a Baloch nationalist activist who criticize Pakistan and army like you, but he is admitting that the insurgency has weakened and might be closing to an end, and the article was posted on Huffington Post, an Amreekan website not some Pak news site.

Any objective source will tell you the realities now, and even honest baloch nationalists will tell you that movement is going through tough times now

[gadoonwal]

I'm not chaudry, u must be gujjar.



Wow what it is the war about then?We lost it but they're still fighting, wow.

lolol where u get this number from?As usual u pull out info from your buttcrack, at least give me a reliable link from a reputed source.

The article I shared is from Malik Siraj Akbar, a Baloch nationalist activist who criticize Pakistan and army like you, but he is admitting that the insurgency has weakened and might be closing to an end, and the article was posted on Huffington Post, an Amreekan website not some Pak news site.

Any objective source will tell you the realities now, and even honest baloch nationalists will tell you that movement is going through tough times now

Pashtun can not be gujjar mr jatt chaudry.
The reason i call you chaudry cus people of main land punjab are gujjars .
Others such as arian/jatts also use the chaudry.
So be proud of your gujjar origin.
IN punjab the landowners and even police officers are called chaudry.
You punjabis have no history.Your history is based on slavery and chaplosi.
Yours people now adopted the language of lucknaw and dehli (urdu) to become civilised but still people call you ,,lungmar,,and daaleater punjabi.
As far as Baluchistan that is another country now.
Now Sindis took arms against punjabi state.Congratulations.

[gadoonwal]

I didnt compare baluch with pashtuns because they are entirely different group of people ...they belong to that army which abandoned Ali ra...betrayed them.Only in baluchistan some of mixing is there between pashtuns and baluchs ...regions wise.If they are fighting under the banner of nationalism like anp or any other pashtuns,.or any other sindhis for sindhudesh or hazaras for hazara province etc....it has nothing to do with islam...nor with victory either.

Your blind hatred for any ethnicity shouldnt affect your objective approach to the fact that because of corrupt rulers and politicians that are present at the top of every ethnicity or province or region....has nothing to do with the poor and suffering of same people that are as much affected as others.

Baluch sardars have long history of corruption too.Had they cared they wouldnt ve been wending their sons and daughters to american or western universities while keeping the masses illeterate....handing them guns to protect them.When it comes to problems of masses...rulers,leaders,politiciansalways run abroad...leaving behind miserable masses to suffer.They could ve chose to fight till last breath...they dont...the only bugti that fight till last was Akbar bugti....no one else.

Same goes for any pashtun ,hazara ,sindhi or punjabi nationalists.Its nothing to do with rights of masses but their race for power.The more control you ve over masses more you can loot their rights.

Ofcourse any pashtun involved in killing of other pashtuns is the son of samri of bani israel.Samri the magician.But it doesnt mean ANP or PTI or sherpao,diesali mala or bilour etc are there for pashtuns...its poliyics for tyem all..Sold out souls.I am sure if problem arises...all ll run to abroad.

You yourself is blind follower of lahori islam and the so called pakiomenai.
I never hate another ethnicity but since pashtuns are addicted to gulami culture of punjab so the brainwashed pashtuns only worship the ethnicity of punjoos.
The brainwashed children of isi hate pashtuns,Baluch and even sindis.
Whoever expose napkistan they get mad.
Now ,pashtun killing another pashtuns for the interests of punjab is the son of Ranjeet sing .

I am not supporter of ANP but still some leaders of ANP like Bashir bilour and Main iftekhar stand like rocks to dirty talibs of isi.
They never runaway.They expose the dirty isi and her children .
Bashir Bilour was brave man so as Main Iftekhar.
Nar pakhtun Aftab khan sherpao never left pashtunkhaw.
he was attacked twice by isi but he never run for his life.
Even after the blast people forced him to get into the car but he refused.
So do,nt call every pashtun coward and gulam of napakistani isi.
On the other side ppp,mulas and pti are all cowards.

now watch the brave pashtun sherpao how he was attacked by isi.
After the blast people are forcing him to escape but he resist.
Till this day the isi owned khudkush following him but he is among his people on every ocasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHLIMl1dKb4

The mulllas,ppp and people like amir muqam swatay are hiding like rats in their holes in islam abad.
No doubt there are cowards like asfandyar and afrasyab in ANP but for few bad apple you can not blame the whole party.
As far as corruption so that is everywhere in corruptionistan and will be.

[ghumbasa]

You yourself is blind follower of lahori islam and the so called pakiomenai.
I never hate another ethnicity but since pashtuns are addicted to gulami culture of punjab so the brainwashed pashtuns only worship the ethnicity of punjoos.
The brainwashed children of isi hate pashtuns,Baluch and even sindis.
Whoever expose napkistan they get mad.
Now ,pashtun killing another pashtuns for the interests of punjab is the son of Ranjeet sing .

I am not supporter of ANP but still some leaders of ANP like Bashir bilour and Main iftekhar stand like rocks to dirty talibs of isi.
They never runaway.They expose the dirty isi and her children .
Bashir Bilour was brave man so as Main Iftekhar.
Nar pakhtun Aftab khan sherpao never left pashtunkhaw.
he was attacked twice by isi but he never run for his life.
Even after the blast people forced him to get into the car but he refused.
So do,nt call every pashtun coward and gulam of napakistani isi.
On the other side ppp,mulas and pti are all cowards.

now watch the brave pashtun sherpao how he was attacked by isi.
After the blast people are forcing him to escape but he resist.
Till this day the isi owned khudkush following him but he is among his people on every ocasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHLIMl1dKb4

The mulllas,ppp and people like amir muqam swatay are hiding like rats in their holes in islam abad.
No doubt there are cowards like asfandyar and afrasyab in ANP but for few bad apple you can not blame the whole party.
As far as corruption so that is everywhere in corruptionistan and will be.

Isi is not in my pocket to take orders from me..its head quarters are in washington but so is of raw...that are as much active in pakistan.So are other agencies involved currently 8 major intels.None take orders from punjabis.But sold outs among them as well as pashtuns... may be part of this system.So stop being judgemental.

Such blasts are faced by any pakistani esp pashtuns on daily basis so dont try to paint this as sherpao being a hero....even i faced it and family members.This is nothing of heroic but a case of survival.And i faced in punjab with punjabis too and pashtunkhva equally.
I wont cash it for politics like sherpao...neither do by majority of pashtuns...if they suffer their reward is with Allah...not politicians that can switch their minds anytime for their desires.

If today pashtuhs are standing with govt or isi..or whatever....not opening eyes...then you need to check may be there s communication gap...or may be some stereotypes label them as ghulam each time...or in seclusion..mock them...Dont expect changes when you cant change yourself with positive attitude towards them.And why do you care if you call them ghulam? Tell me the definition of ghulam ? By default a muslim is ghulam of Allah no one else.Its their choice of inclining to a side of righteuosness or wrong that make them either onside of ignorance or of truth.
Allah has given them aqal and freedom to choose.