The End of Baloch insurgency?:Malik Siraj Akbar

[tripledouble]

post sources for your figures instead of speaking out your _ss all the time

"With new investment in Balochistan and lacking, Sindh produces about 70% of total gas supply in the country."

http://karachi.newspakistan.pk/2014/04/21/gas-needs-better-to-tap-reserves-instead-of-import/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/132244/the-myth-of-pakistans-infinite-gas-reserves/

"All of those legendary stories about Balochistan having massive gas fields are just that: myths and legends. It turns out that, despite Sui being one of the largest gas fields in the country, most of the country’s gas does not come from Balochistan. In fact, about 71 per cent comes from Sindh."

and the future lies in Sindh not Balochistan.
"Gas reserves of 39 million cubic feet have been discovered and according to initial estimates, 106.8 million cubic feet natural gas would be produced, Geo News reported. Around 70% of the country’s total gas reserves are located in Sindh."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/565340/gas-reserves-discovered-in-sindh-report/

Also I am using the term "punjab" because I personally believe Punjabis are taking revenge on the Baloch. In ancient times Baloch raiders use to raid Punjab and steal from them, now Punjabis are doing the same thing to baloch. This is a very ancient enmity between the two. You just have to study history to know what is going on. This is the reason Punjab wants to keep Baloch and even Pashtun for that matter under them. They know the history, and they dont want Baloch and Pashtuns to be in power again

Most Punjabis do not even know the history of Chakar Rind and his invasions, even the establishment doesn't care -why are the most Pro-Baloch rebels voices in the media, Punjabi? Najam Sethi,Tarek Fatah,Hamid Mir,Asma Jahangir,Asad Rehman are all educated Punjabis speaking on behalf of the BLA and Baloch 'rights', on the other hand a Muhajir Musharraf allegedly killed Bugti, and the Sindhi ZA Bhutto carried out a massive operation in the 70s against Baloch rebels, what were they taking revenge for?

also (muhajir) pakistanism is different from punjabi dominated pakistanism, everyone knows that. muhajirs want their own kind of pakistan

Like what?Urdu Supremacism?Namaloom afraads?land mafia and extortionists?

Musharraf ruled Pakistan for a decade, he was a Muhajir and we saw your version of Pakistanism.

I dont prescribe to any kind of pakistansim personally, since whole thing is stupid and nationalistic

What do you identify as?Indian?

[Karachi]

^ how is (opinions) of people about actual proof of figures? Sindh may produce a lot of Gas, but anyone can right these "so called" figures, where is the actual proof? and your second article is clearly written by some one who has something against Baluchistan, why should I trust his figures? probably some military guy. Bring actual figures from non bias sources idiot.

Also Najam Sethi,Tarek Fatah,Hamid Mir,Asma Jahangir,etc... are very few of the enlightened punjabis, they dont represent 90% of punjabis and this is why they are hated so much by Punjabi establishment/military, this is why they are always targeted. Hamid Mir was almost killed by them, remember???? Also the establisment is well aware of the history and past, they know what they are doing

Musharaaf a guy who has lived in Punjab all his life, speaks better punjabi then even punjabis themselves, hardly classifies as a muhajir. He is a military guy, serving the punjabi establishment

As for muhajirs wanting to run pakistan, not sure, it depends on which muhajir, MQM types may run it like that, but then there are others who wanted to see Pakistan as Ideal muslim state in the world, that idea was stupid and current state of pakistan has proven that, espeically after the breaking of Bangladesh in 71. Muslims of different backgrounds can never live with each others peacefully

I will classify myself as Indian or a human for that matter, I have not issue with that. I am not some moronic pakistani who thinks he is arab, Iranian, Turk etc and worships them

[ghumbasa]

I will classify myself as Indian or a human for that matter, I have not issue with that. I am not some moronic pakistani who thinks he is arab, Iranian, Turk etc and worships them

Well history shows that turkic,arab or iranians did rule over subcontinent.So obviously some may ve their ancestory from those people.Sayyeds are even common world wide.

Consider yourself a secular or a non islamic state worshipper...who cares.Humanity comes for the likes of you later who dont even know how to talk in a civilised manner first by not name calling.You are still lingering on in ethnicities like many users here.Humanity knows no ethnicity...learn the basic lesson.

[Karachi]

[QUOTE=ghumbasa;752425]Well history shows that turkic,arab or iranians did rule over subcontinent.So obviously some may ve their ancestory from those people.Sayyeds are even common world wide.

Consider yourself a secular or a non islamic state worshipper...who cares.Humanity comes for the likes of you later who dont even know how to talk in a civilised manner first by not name calling.You are still lingering on in ethnicities like many users here.Humanity knows no ethnicity...learn the basic lesson.[/QUOTE]

Coming from a guy who thinks arabs are superior and a chosen race of God

[ghumbasa]

[QUOTE=Karachi;752426]

Well history shows that turkic,arab or iranians did rule over subcontinent.So obviously some may ve their ancestory from those people.Sayyeds are even common world wide.

Consider yourself a secular or a non islamic state worshipper...who cares.Humanity comes for the likes of you later who dont even know how to talk in a civilised manner first by not name calling.You are still lingering on in ethnicities like many users here.Humanity knows no ethnicity...learn the basic lesson.[/QUOTE]

Coming from a guy who thinks arabs are superior and a chosen race of God

Coming from a person who twist words by replacing word semitic to arabs.Semitic means progeny of ibrahim as.This is described in surah al araf too.Only God fearing semitic left are refugees today.

Atleast have some shame for those refugees.

[tripledouble]

^ how is (opinions) of people about actual proof of figures? Sindh may produce a lot of Gas, but anyone can right these "so called" figures, where is the actual proof? and your second article is clearly written by some one who has something against Baluchistan, why should I trust his figures? probably some military guy. Bring actual figures from non bias sources idiot.

LOL what a weak argument, you have proof to debunk the links I shared which is backed many people, whereas you have nothing to back your claims of Balochistan producing "most of the gas" pretty lame

Also Najam Sethi,Tarek Fatah,Hamid Mir,Asma Jahangir,etc... are very few of the enlightened punjabis, they dont represent 90% of punjabis and this is why they are hated so much by Punjabi establishment/military

Yeah ofcourse, you think the American establishment would welcome it's critics?Hell no, no establishment hails it's critics with garlands.
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this is why they are always targeted. Hamid Mir was almost killed by them, remember????

Sure, you are so gullible

Also the establisment is well aware of the history and past, they know what they are doing

The past has no bearing on the present

Musharaaf a guy who has lived in Punjab all his life, speaks better punjabi then even punjabis themselves, hardly classifies as a muhajir

Lame crutch, many Muhajirs live in Punjab and learned Punjabi but he was still born in Delhi and migrated and went through the "Muhajir experience", even the MQM is very proud of him and defends him at any chance, Mushy has always helped the MQM and Karachi progressed the most in his rule.

Mushy is actually living in khi as of right now.

He is a military guy, serving the punjabi establishment

lame excuse once again, there are many Muhajirs in the establishment, around 20-30%, you guys are part of the establishment and pakistanism, unless you consider yourself Punjabi too lol

As for muhajirs wanting to run pakistan, not sure, it depends on which muhajir, MQM types may run it like that, but then there are others who wanted to see Pakistan as Ideal muslim state in the world, that idea was stupid and current state of pakistan has proven that, espeically after the breaking of Bangladesh in 71. Muslims of different backgrounds can never live with each others peacefully

Pretty defeatist of you, but you being a Muhajir put ethnicity before religion is your failure.

I will classify myself as Indian or a human for that matter, I have not issue with that.

Fine, insult your grandparents sacrifices and aspirations.

I am not some moronic pakistani who thinks he is arab, Iranian, Turk etc and worships them

LOL most pakistanis do not even consider themselve that aside from a confused minority, and just cause a Pakistani does not consider or worship ArabTurksPersians, does not mean they want to be Indian either....we are just Pakistani, the problem with you dimwitted libtards is that, it's either black or white.

You're a pathetic person, btw next time you reply to me, quote me like a man, don't just post comments and runaway, I know you're a afraid because whatever u say lacks substance.

[Karachi]

LOL what a weak argument, you have proof to debunk the links I shared which is backed many people, whereas you have nothing to back your claims of Balochistan producing "most of the gas" pretty lame


Yeah ofcourse, you think the American establishment would welcome it's critics?Hell no, no establishment hails it's critics with garlands.
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Sure, you are so gullible

The past has no bearing on the present


Lame crutch, many Muhajirs live in Punjab and learned Punjabi but he was still born in Delhi and migrated and went through the "Muhajir experience", even the MQM is very proud of him and defends him at any chance, Mushy has always helped the MQM and Karachi progressed the most in his rule.

Mushy is actually living in khi as of right now.

lame excuse once again, there are many Muhajirs in the establishment, around 20-30%, you guys are part of the establishment and pakistanism, unless you consider yourself Punjabi too lol

Pretty defeatist of you, but you being a Muhajir put ethnicity before religion is your failure.


Fine, insult your grandparents sacrifices and aspirations.

LOL most pakistanis do not even consider themselve that aside from a confused minority, and just cause a Pakistani does not consider or worship ArabTurksPersians, does not mean they want to be Indian either....we are just Pakistani, the problem with you dimwitted libtards is that, it's either black or white.

You're a pathetic person, btw next time you reply to me, quote me like a man, don't just post comments and runaway, I know you're a afraid because whatever u say lacks substance.

Looks like you love to prodouce gas from your behind, when did I say Balochistan produces "most of the gas", at least learn to read you jahil idiot typical paindo. All I claimed was that the establisment steals from the Baloch, which is very true

Also all I am saying is I dont trust any sources written by pro pak military guys, they can make up any figures from their behind like you are doing

again what is your proof that muhajirs make up 20-30% of the establishment, especially military / army? Most punjabis look at muhajirs as traitors, from the vary beginning, they will never allow muhajirs to be in important positions, unless they were very punjabized muhajirs like Musharraf who were living in Punjab all their lives.

The sacrifices of grand parents was not to live in a Pakistan like this. I can bet 100% if people from that time knew how Pakistan would turn out, they would have never let Pakistan form

[tripledouble]

Looks like you love to prodouce gas from your behind, when did I say Balochistan produces "most of the gas", at least learn to read you jahil idiot typical paindo. All I claimed was that the establisment steals from the Baloch, which is very true

Also all I am saying is I dont trust any sources written by pro pak military guys, they can make up any figures from their behind like you are doing

There are numerous sources that confirm that 70% of the gas comes from Sindh even the Sindh government reports these figures(they should get more funding), you just don't want to believe facts, you're a typical bhaiya that is process information and is always pissed.

Here's what Faysal Sabzwari a Muhajir has to say

MQM leader Faisal Subzwari, while addressing the Sindh Assembly today, said that Sindh was supplying 70% of the gas supply, further stating that if sufficient gas supply was provided to the province then there would no load-shedding.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/701790/resolution-presented-in-sindh-assembly-against-load-shedding/

again what is your proof that muhajirs make up 20-30% of the establishment, especially military / army?

Many of the highranking officers are Muhajir, there are few Muhajir foot soldiers because most are educated people, so they only work in the top brass and officer level, ever heard of Jahangir Karamat?He was also an Urdu-speaking Muhajir from Karachi.

Most punjabis look at muhajirs as traitors, from the vary beginning,

You're such a liar, have u even been to Punjab or spoken to Punjabis?They accept Muhajirs even more than Sindhis do, after partition many urdu-speaking Muhajirs moved to Punjab and they integrated and were accepted and given Punjab domiciles, there is no ethnic violence unlike what you see in karachi and rest of sindh, you have a besieged victim mentalitiy which is typical for Altaf bhai worshippers like yourself

they will never allow muhajirs to be in important positions

Yea, like Mamnoon Hussain,Mirza Aslam Baig,Shahryar Khan,Hussain Haqqani,Agha Shahi or Maulana Maudoodi?
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unless they were very punjabized muhajirs like Musharraf who were living in Punjab all their lives.

LOLOL Mush never lived all his life in Punjab, he was born and raised in Delhi and then moved to Punjab but in the army, officers are posted all over the country, you're such a paindoo if you don't know that officers are constantly transferred every 3 years, he now lives in karachi and has support from MQM and karachi developed the most when he was President because he felt a kinship with your kind, he also made Shaukat Aziz(a muhajir) the Prime Minister, it's funny how you trying to distance yourself from the army when your ethnicity has dominated the officer cadre. What's even more funny is that ARY is dominated by Muhajir apart from Lucman and is the most pro-army channel and the biggest army puppet Zaid Hamid is also Muhajir from Delhi.

The sacrifices of grand parents was not to live in a Pakistan like this. I can bet 100% if people from that time knew how Pakistan would turn out, they would have never let Pakistan form

lololol you're acting like u can read peoples minds and predict the future, before 9/11 things were different, if you were back in your motherland India, you would be massacred like what happened to your gujju brothers or other bhaiyas in muzzafarnagar or in assam; UP-Bihar is still the most backward part of India, and you have that backward mentality which is swamping the rich civilization of Karachi,Sindh.

[Karachi]

There are numerous sources that confirm that 70% of the gas comes from Sindh even the Sindh government reports these figures(they should get more funding), you just don't want to believe facts, you're a typical bhaiya that is process information and is always pissed.

Here's what Faysal Sabzwari a Muhajir has to say

http://tribune.com.pk/story/701790/resolution-presented-in-sindh-assembly-against-load-shedding/

Many of the highranking officers are Muhajir, there are few Muhajir foot soldiers because most are educated people, so they only work in the top brass and officer level, ever heard of Jahangir Karamat?He was also an Urdu-speaking Muhajir from Karachi.

You're such a liar, have u even been to Punjab or spoken to Punjabis?They accept Muhajirs even more than Sindhis do, after partition many urdu-speaking Muhajirs moved to Punjab and they integrated and were accepted and given Punjab domiciles, there is no ethnic violence unlike what you see in karachi and rest of sindh, you have a besieged victim mentalitiy which is typical for Altaf bhai worshippers like yourself

Yea, like Mamnoon Hussain,Mirza Aslam Baig,Shahryar Khan,Hussain Haqqani,Agha Shahi or Maulana Maudoodi?
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LOLOL Mush never lived all his life in Punjab, he was born and raised in Delhi and then moved to Punjab but in the army, officers are posted all over the country, you're such a paindoo if you don't know that officers are constantly transferred every 3 years, he now lives in karachi and has support from MQM and karachi developed the most when he was President because he felt a kinship with your kind, he also made Shaukat Aziz(a muhajir) the Prime Minister, it's funny how you trying to distance yourself from the army when your ethnicity has dominated the officer cadre. What's even more funny is that ARY is dominated by Muhajir apart from Lucman and is the most pro-army channel and the biggest army puppet Zaid Hamid is also Muhajir from Delhi.

lololol you're acting like u can read peoples minds and predict the future, before 9/11 things were different, if you were back in your motherland India, you would be massacred like what happened to your gujju brothers or other bhaiyas in muzzafarnagar or in assam; UP-Bihar is still the most backward part of India, and you have that backward mentality which is swamping the rich civilization of Karachi,Sindh.

Even if Sindh produces 70%, how does it refute my argument that the establishment steals from Balochistan?? This argument is not about Sindh, it's about baloch suffering and the establishment stealing from them. also again I need actual proof of the figures, instead of random people speaking about it. Has there been a study?

What is the proof the officers are muhajirs? Why would people in Rawalipindi Islamabad select Muhajirs??? it doesn't make sense, especially since muhajirs have always been looked down upon. They only select few punjabized muhajirs or even punjabized pashtuns for that matter. Heck even among punjabis, they only select the few top (caste) people like jatts, Rajputs for everything etc.. the low caste punjabi also suffers in punjab. Caste system is well alive in punjab and it is in everything from army to schools to jobs etc...

Most of the people you mentioned are self built people, they are educated and this is why they were successful, Punjabis didn't make them successful, that is what you are implying. There are even many Pashtun/Baloch successful people living in Karachi or Lahore, but that does not change the fact that the establishment is against Baloch/Pashtun nations overall. Heck there are even successful Palestinians living in Israel, but does it mean Israel is not against Palestine? Palestinians are killed daily, just like baloch are killed by pakistan army, or fata pashtuns, heck even 20,000 muhajirs were killed by the army in 90's, clearly debunking what you are saying

also lol at Musharaff being "raised" in Delhi. he should have been in the Indian army then

[tripledouble]

Even if Sindh produces 70%, how does it refute my argument that the establishment steals from Balochistan?? This argument is not about Sindh, it's about baloch suffering and the establishment stealing from them. also again I need actual proof of the figures, instead of random people speaking about it. Has there been a study?

lol you never concede the fact you've been owned, typical hotheaded Altaf Bhai minion.

What is the proof the officers are muhajirs?

Why would people in Rawalipindi Islamabad select Muhajirs???

Why not?Muhajirs are educated and most subscribe to the "sab say pehlay Pakistan" school of thought.

it doesn't make sense, especially since muhajirs have always been looked down upon.

lol wow, you have such insecurities.

They only select few punjabized muhajirs or even punjabized pashtuns for that matter.

Oh yeah, Jahangir Karamat was a "punjabized muhajir"(most Muhajirs in Punjab dont even speak Punjabi, not even Punjabis speak Punjabi.

Waheed Kakar was a Pashtun from Quetta and the army chief, so was General Tariq Khan from Tank they're not "punjabized" whatever that dumb term means

Heck even among punjabis, they only select the few top (caste) people like jatts, Rajputs for everything etc..

They select Arains,Awans,kayanis,butts,gujjars and that's because the British recruited mainly from these clans, that's why they make the bulk

the low caste punjabi also suffers in punjab. Caste system is well alive in punjab and it is in everything from army to schools to jobs etc...

It's alive all over Pakistan incl Sindh, and the reason why there are not many high ranking low caste punjabis is because to become a officer you must be inter pass with second division, most poor people can't afford to send their kids to schools, let alone complete inter and score more than 60% in Fsc, so most poor people are recruited as jawans and havaldars.

Among Muhajirs u don't have that kind of discrimination because u guys are mostly educated and migrated with similar backgrounds but u guys still follow the Asfraf-Ajlaf caste system

Most of the people you mentioned are self built people, they are educated and this is why they were successful, Punjabis didn't make them successful, that is what you are implying.

If Punjabis didn't make them succesful than Punjabis didn't make them fail either, your reasoning fails.

Also Jahangir Karamat,Mirza Aslam Baig and Mush were all appointed as army chiefs by Punjabis; Mamnoon was made President by Nawaz,Shehryar Khan was made PCB chairman by Nawaz...... Agha Shahi,Zafar Hilaly,Hussain Haqqani were all appointed as bureaucrats by the same evil "Punjabi" establishment.

There are even many Pashtun/Baloch successful people living in Karachi or Lahore, but that does not change the fact that the establishment is against Baloch/Pashtun nations overall.

lol yeah sure, it's Muhajirs who are against pashtuns by massacring them in karachi and the same Muhajirs are now spreading to Hub,Balochistan.

Baloch leader Allah Nazar baloch complained that Hub is being turned into 'little Lucknow'

Palestinians are killed daily, just like baloch are killed by pakistan army, or fata pashtuns,

The operation in FATA is being supported by MQM staunchly so don't deny that the operation against the Taliban, MQMers like u are very racist against Pashtuns, but ofcourse if you equate pashtuns with taliban then i'm not surprised a racist muhajir like you doing that to Pashtuns.

heck even 20,000 muhajirs were killed by the army in 90's, clearly debunking what you are saying

lol those 20,000 weren't just Muhajirs, there were Punjabis,Pashtuns,Baloch,Sindhis and all kinds of karachiites killed, and that death toll wasn't just inflicted by the army but mostly by the MQMs militant wing which has been killing Pashtuns,Sindhis and Baloch in karachi turning the city into a new cowbelt(their homeland) and that operation against MQM was also led by Musharraf, most sane Proud Pakistani Muhajirs are against the MQM mafia.

also lol at Musharaff being "raised" in Delhi. he should have been in the Indian army then

"Pervez Musharraf was born on 11 August 1943 to an Urdu-speaking family in Delhi, India, four years before the independence.[3][4][5] He is the son of Syed and Zarin Musharraf.[6][7] His father, Syed Musharraf, graduated from Aligarh Muslim University, in Aligarh, India and was a civil servant for the Government Of India.[8] His mother, Zarin, born in the early 1920s, was also an academic; she also graduated from Aligarh Muslim University.[4]

Musharraf's first childhood home was called Neharwali Haveli, literally "mansion by the canal".[9] The house, located at the epicenter of India's ruling Mughal elite, is so large that in 2001 it housed eight different families.[9] Syed Ahmed Khan's family lived adjacent to the home.[9] The home's title deeds were written entirely in Urdu except for his father's English signature.[9]

Pakistan and Turkey[edit]
Musharraf and his family left for Pakistan on one of the last safe trains in August 1947, a few days before the independence took effect.[6][9][10] His father joined the Pakistan Civil Services and began to work for the new Pakistan government; eventually his father joined the Foreign Ministry, first taking the assignment in Turkey.[6] In his autobiography In the Line of Fire: A Memoir, Musharraf elaborates on his first experience with death, after falling off a mango tree.[11]

Musharraf's family moved to Ankara in 1949, when his father became part of a diplomatic deputation from Pakistan to Turkey.[8][12] He learned to speak Turkish.[13][14] He had a dog named Whiskey that gave him a "lifelong love for dogs".[8] He often played sports in his youth.[6][15] In 1956 he left Turkey[8][12] and returned to Pakistan in 1957[13] where he attended Saint Patrick's School in Karachi and was accepted at the Forman Christian College University in Lahore.[8][16][17] At Forman, Musharraf declared his major in mathematics and performed extremely well in his collegiate mathematics,[18] but later developed interest in Economics.[19]"

clearing debunking your trollish claim that he was raised in Punjab, you are a retard of the top class, you spread misinformation which is typical for people with inferiority complexes like yourself, you have been owned Mr."Karachi" aka Urdu-speaker from Afghanforums

btw u should change your username, Sindhi nationalists won't like an Indian-cowbelt dweller representing Karachi.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Tripledouble why are you always insulting Karachi racially i.e. his ethnic background e.g.

"shameless Mohajir"

"cowbelt" (Hindi-speaking cowbelt in central India where many Mohajirs come from for those who don't know)

"Altaf Bhai minion" (trying to claim he is an MQM supporter merely because of his ethnic background when he has frequently critized the MQM).

Plus other insults.


I have never seen Karachi mention your ethnic background or say anything bad about Hazarewals.

If you hold Mohajirs in such contempt and say things like "shameless Mohajir" (which you've done on other threads) how can you then deny there is prejudice and discrimination against Mohajirs in Pakistan when you yourself clearly show there is with your insults against them?

I have a degree of respect for you and generally find you educated, polite and intelligent and if I didn't and just found you to be another ignorant Pakistani e.g. Da Lahore Mazdigar, Ghumbasa, Jankhan etc I would have put you on ignore, so I am a bit disappointed you are behaving like this.



*Da Lahore Mazdigar, I have reported you to a moderator for you abusing the Bangladeshi flag (another member quoted you so I can see the insulting image), I am sick and tired of your constant harassment of me on this forum.

[tripledouble]

Tripledouble why are you always insulting Karachi racially i.e. his ethnic background e.g.

"shameless Mohajir"

"cowbelt" (Hindi-speaking cowbelt in central India where many Mohajirs come from for those who don't know)

"Altaf Bhai minion" (trying to claim he is an MQM supporter merely because of his ethnic background when he has frequently critized the MQM).

Plus other insults.


I have never seen Karachi mention your ethnic background or say anything bad about Hazarewals.

If you hold Mohajirs in such contempt and say things like "shameless Mohajir" (which you've done on other threads) how can you then deny there is prejudice and discrimination against Mohajirs in Pakistan when you yourself clearly show there is with your insults against them?

I have a degree of respect for you and generally find you educated, polite and intelligent and if I didn't and just found you to be another ignorant Pakistani e.g. Da Lahore Mazdigar, Ghumbasa, Jankhan etc I would have put you on ignore, so I am a bit disappointed you are behaving like this.



*Da Lahore Mazdigar, I have reported you to a moderator for you abusing the Bangladeshi flag (another member quoted you so I can see the insulting image), I am sick and tired of your constant harassment of me on this forum.

I'm kind of short tempered, so I say what comes on head, so it was a heat of the moment thing, and insult other Pakistanis even Hazarewals when they talk bad things about Pakistan, I don't mind if foreigners criticize Pakistan.

I have many Muhajir friends, and like them, so any Muhajir reading shouldn't take it personally and as for karachi, most Muhajirs would actually disagree with him because they are proud Pakistanis.

Also this guy is acting like Muhajirs are not in the army and that only people in Hazara/Potohar regions dominate army, you being from bangladesh can educate him about what bihari/urdu-speakers also did in east pakistan.

I mean no hate to any ethnic group.

[Karachi]

lol you never concede the fact you've been owned, typical hotheaded Altaf Bhai minion.

I have not been owned, since my argument was never about how much SIndh produced. All I said was that the Pakistani establishment steals what Baluchistan produces, this is a fact even pakistan army slave like you can't deny



Why not?Muhajirs are educated and most subscribe to the "sab say pehlay Pakistan" school of thought.

Since who? which muhajirs are you talking about? Muhajirs are not one group with have one voice, there are many different opinions among muhajirs. heck even MQM leader Altaf Hussain said that creation of Pakistan was the biggest mistake, you can watch the video of that

They select Arains,Awans,kayanis,butts,gujjars and that's because the British recruited mainly from these clans, that's why they make the bulk

So you dont deny everything in Punjab is Caste driven???


Also Jahangir Karamat,Mirza Aslam Baig and Mush were all appointed as army chiefs by Punjabis; Mamnoon was made President by Nawaz,Shehryar Khan was made PCB chairman by Nawaz...... Agha Shahi,Zafar Hilaly,Hussain Haqqani were all appointed as bureaucrats by the same evil "Punjabi" establishment.

That's because these people are punjabis, living in Punjab most of their life



The operation in FATA is being supported by MQM staunchly so don't deny that the operation against the Taliban, MQMers like u are very racist against Pashtuns, but ofcourse if you equate pashtuns with taliban then i'm not surprised a racist muhajir like you doing that to Pashtuns.

Which party isn't supporting this? MQM is a secular party which does not like Taliban or Taliban taking over Karachi. I personally hate MQM, I have said this on many occasions, I have nothing to do with them

lol those 20,000 weren't just Muhajirs, there were Punjabis,Pashtuns,Baloch,Sindhis and all kinds of karachiites killed, and that death toll wasn't just inflicted by the army but mostly by the MQMs militant wing which has been killing Pashtuns,Sindhis and Baloch in karachi turning the city into a new cowbelt(their homeland) and that operation against MQM was also led by Musharraf, most sane Proud Pakistani Muhajirs are against the MQM mafia.

it was operation which was against MQM only: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Clean-up

^ obviuolsy I am not denying that many MQM terrorists were killed, but many innocent people were also tortured and killed during these operations in the 90's

"Pervez Musharraf was born on 11 August 1943 to an Urdu-speaking family in Delhi, India, four years before the independence.[3][4][5] He is the son of Syed and Zarin Musharraf.[6][7] His father, Syed Musharraf, graduated from Aligarh Muslim University, in Aligarh, India and was a civil servant for the Government Of India.[8] His mother, Zarin, born in the early 1920s, was also an academic; she also graduated from Aligarh Muslim University.[4]

Musharraf lived in Punjab from his college days, that's more then 40 years living there. Here is more a punjabi, then he is muhajir

Look at above bold points^

[Karachi]

I'm kind of short tempered, so I say what comes on head, so it was a heat of the moment thing, and insult other Pakistanis even Hazarewals when they talk bad things about Pakistan, I don't mind if foreigners criticize Pakistan.

I have many Muhajir friends, and like them, so any Muhajir reading shouldn't take it personally and as for karachi, most Muhajirs would actually disagree with him because they are proud Pakistanis.

Being a pakistani is different from being a punjabi. most muhajirs dont have a problem with a idea of pakistan. however like others, they have a problem with a punjabi dominated pakistan. It was muhajirs who first raised this issues when the national capital was taken to punjab

Also this guy is acting like Muhajirs are not in the army and that only people in Hazara/Potohar regions dominate army, you being from bangladesh can educate him about what bihari/urdu-speakers also did in east pakistan.

Like what, 2-4% at best??? thats a lot of muhajirs in the army, again mostly the muhajirs that live in punjab. There are more Pashtuns or even Baloch in the army. Also Bihari are not urduspeaking people. Real urduspeaking people are from Delhi/West UP. Biharies had Issues with Bengalis even before the formation of Pakistan, with Bangaldesh war the issues even became worse between them

I mean no hate to any ethnic group.

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