Hamid Karzai: Hypocrite and Murderer

[Al-Afghani]

If party A claims Party B is a global terrorist or criminal. The Burdon of proof is on Party A.

It was Osama himself who claimed responsibility numerous times. It's not like he was a random stranger off the street. He had a long history of attacking American interests because of his grievances.

Pashtuns hosted and defended a self-confessed terrorist, then cry about the repercussions.

[khushal]

I am not going to start explaining everything again. You guys can believe whatever that pleases you, it wont change the reality.

the reality that the misery existed before, during, and after.

[DSM0305]

the reality that the misery existed before, during, and after.

ok Mr western born child. Don't believe a person who lived before, during and after, but rather a child who is born in the west. How I wish guys like you experience true famine.

[khushal]

It was Osama himself who claimed responsibility numerous times. It's not like he was a random stranger off the street. He had a long history of attacking American interests because of his grievances.

Pashtuns hosted and defended a self-confessed terrorist, then cry about the repercussions.

learn how to provide proof of your claims otherwise you are joke.

[khushal]

ok Mr western born child. Don't believe a person who lived before, during and after, but rather a child who is born in the west. How I wish guys like you experience true famine.

are you saying that it did not exist before during the civil war? The civil war was an awesome time? That it does not exist today? Today is heavenly?

Come on man, who are you fooling.

[DSM0305]

are you saying that it did not exist before during the civil war? The civil war was an awesome time? That it does not exist today? Today is heavenly?

Come on man, who are you fooling.

Before means = before war
During means = civil war + Taliban era
After means = after the Taliban fall

Afghanistan did extremely well before the soviet invasion and the aftermath.
During the civil war, obviously everything was terrible, since as the name suggest; it was a civil war + the self proclaimed mujaheedens/warlords savagery behavior
During the Taliban era. There was peace, but the bans and non existent foreign relation, made it impossible to get any economic gains. The economy kept shrinking and shrinking.
After the Taliban fall. The retarded American government installed those barbaric warlords, which caused enormous corruption. In the other hand, USA and the allies gave allot of aid money, which rebuild basically everything.
Corrupt country: yes
Better economy: yes
Possibility for a better future: yes
Perfect society: far from
Better than during Taliban era: definitely

Believe it or don't, I honestly don't care. So lets leave it at that. If you want to debate this further, then do it with al-afghani or abdalibarakzai, because I am quite fed up with this meaningless discussion.

[khushal]

Before means = before war
During means = civil war + Taliban era
After means = after the Taliban fall

Afghanistan did extremely well before the soviet invasion and the aftermath.
During the civil war, obviously everything was terrible, since as the name suggest; it was a civil war + the self proclaimed mujaheedens/warlords savagery behavior
During the Taliban era. There was peace, but the bans and non existent foreign relation, made it impossible to get any economic gains. The economy kept shrinking and shrinking.
After the Taliban fall. The retarded American government installed those barbaric warlords, which caused enormous corruption. In the other hand, USA and the allies gave allot of aid money, which rebuild basically everything.
Corrupt country: yes
Better economy: yes
Possibility for a better future: yes
Perfect society: far from
Better than during Taliban era: definitely

Believe it or don't, I honestly don't care. So lets leave it at that. If you want to debate this further, then do it with al-afghani or abdalibarakzai, because I am quite fed up with this meaningless discussion.

All your saying is that the Taliban lacked money which is why the economy never took off. If the Taliban were given the same money, they would have built more since they had already established security and corruption was nonexistent.

So the difference between the Karzai administration and the Taliban is that Karzai had attracted money to the country in exchange for foreigners hunting down his citizens specifically his own ethnic group and bombing his own ethnic group.

Oh OK, I was not aware that is the definition of progress.

[DSM0305]

All your saying is that the Taliban lacked money which is why the economy never took off. If the Taliban were given the same money, they would have built more since they had already established security and corruption was nonexistent.

So the difference between the Karzai administration and the Taliban is that Karzai had attracted money to the country in exchange for foreigners hunting down his citizens specifically his own ethnic group and bombing his own ethnic group.

Oh OK, I was not aware that is the definition of progress.

You're getting dumber for every post... This is my absolute last time I am going to explain it. If you get it, then good for you. If not, then keep living in your ignorant world.

Taliban indeed did establish peace, but they destroyed any possibility of getting the economy in the right direction. Education, technology, marked, trade was non-existent due to the bans on basically everything.

The current government is indeed corrupt, but have the necessary foreign relations to sky rock the economy.

Now in the current situation. It is not the government who kills it own people, but the Taliban. Target killing, suiciding, destroying roads, destroying buildings, destroying equipments, killing civilian, killing the police, killing the army, killing workers etc.

Which means, in the part of the country where Taliban activity exists; the countries progress have decreased. Not only are Taliban destroying Afghanistan's progress, but also increase the corruption in those part of the country.
In other part of country, the corruption decrease due to increased civilian influence in the government. While in the part where Taliban activity exist, the civilian get intimidated away, while the corrupt people see it as an opportunity to increase their influence.

Now what my personal opinion regarding this matter is. If anyone want to change the government/society, they should do it through the government. Whether their goal is a complete revolution or a coup is completely irrelevant to me, as long they do it through the government. Now one may wonder why through the government, right? The reason is quite simple. It will harm the Afghan people far less, the economy will be far less effected. Not only that, but it will also not slow down the countries progress. And in top of all that, one will see far more results.

Currently the Taliban is nothing but a terrorist organization, who kills and harms no one, but the civilian people.

And by the way, stop with the propaganda that the government is killing its own people. I said it before and I will say it again, the government troops is doing nothing but patrol or being in their posts. Taliban have no mark or anything of that sort in their forehead, so no one is hunting them or killing them. The government troops simply protects its own life, by shooting back at those who shots them. Yeah, if you didn't get it, then the government troops do nothing but defend themselves.
It is the Taliban who shoots, suicide, plant IED on both the civilian and the government.

[khushal]

You're getting dumber for every post... This is my absolute last time I am going to explain it. If you get it, then good for you. If not, then keep living in your ignorant world.

Taliban indeed did establish peace, but they destroyed any possibility of getting the economy in the right direction. Education, technology, marked, trade was non-existent due to the bans on basically everything.

The current government is indeed corrupt, but have the necessary foreign relations to sky rock the economy.

Now in the current situation. It is not the government who kills it own people, but the Taliban. Target killing, suiciding, destroying roads, destroying buildings, destroying equipments, killing civilian, killing the police, killing the army, killing workers etc.

Which means, in the part of the country where Taliban activity exists; the countries progress have decreased. Not only are Taliban destroying Afghanistan's progress, but also increase the corruption in those part of the country.
In other part of country, the corruption decrease due to increased civilian influence in the government. While in the part where Taliban activity exist, the civilian get intimidated away, while the corrupt people see it as an opportunity to increase their influence.

Now what my personal opinion regarding this matter is. If anyone want to change the government/society, they should do it through the government. Whether their goal is a complete revolution or a coup is completely irrelevant to me, as long they do it through the government. Now one may wonder why through the government, right? The reason is quite simple. It will harm the Afghan people far less, the economy will be far less effected. Not only that, but it will also not slow down the countries progress. And in top of all that, one will see far more results.

Currently the Taliban is nothing but a terrorist organization, who kills and harms no one, but the civilian people.

And by the way, stop with the propaganda that the government is killing its own people. I said it before and I will say it again, the government troops is doing nothing but patrol or being in their posts. Taliban have no mark or anything of that sort in their forehead, so no one is hunting them or killing them. The government troops simply protects its own life, by shooting back at those who shots them. Yeah, if you didn't get it, then the government troops do nothing but defend themselves.
It is the Taliban who shoots, suicide, plant IED on both the civilian and the government.

You have not said anything new. The foreign relations and foreign aid is in exchange for those same foreigners hunting down Karzais own ethnic group and bombing them. His citizens are being hunted instead of being protected. The number one job of a president is to protect his citizens.

You have a problem understanding what "is" and what "ought to be". Your not a realist but you show signs of insanity. The Taliban exist whether you like it or not and the criminal warlords exist whether you like it or not. The problem here is that Karzai has allied himself with the criminal warlords who back in the 90's created the Taliban as a reaction to their criminal actions. Cause and effect.
http://www.brainpopjr.com/readingand...t/preview.weml

The reaction had solved the criminal warlord problem and the drug problem. As you have said, security had been established. Bringing back the warlords, which was done by foreign force, will create a similar reaction. As you can see from brainpopjr.com, a small child can understand this concept.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity which in this case you may want to see a psychologist since you are showing syndromes.

[DSM0305]

You have not said anything new. The foreign relations and foreign aid is in exchange for those same foreigners hunting down Karzais own ethnic group and bombing them. His citizens are being hunted instead of being protected. The number one job of a president is to protect his citizens.

You have a problem understanding what "is" and what "ought to be". Your not a realist but you show signs of insanity. The Taliban exist whether you like it or not and the criminal warlords exist whether you like it or not. The problem here is that Karzai has allied himself with the criminal warlords who back in the 90's created the Taliban as a reaction to their criminal actions. Cause and effect.
http://www.brainpopjr.com/readingand...t/preview.weml

The reaction had solved the criminal warlord problem and the drug problem. As you have said, security had been established. Bringing back the warlords, which was done by foreign force, will create a similar reaction. As you can see from brainpopjr.com, a small child can understand this concept.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity which in this case you may want to see a psychologist since you are showing syndromes.

Your stupidity is beyond imagination. Did you even read what I wrote? You damn western born retard. You're exactly the reason why brothers and sisters shouldn't marry.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

So you didn't even live there.

LOOOOL. Classic last recourse of the watan feroshee style thinkers who are milking the system. You don't get it, the West accusation wears thin since even that looks stupid. For those of us in the West, our parents left when the tribal system and some semblance of a civil even if rural society was in place. Therefore, we are far more the original McCoy then you could ever be. So please do us a favor and come up with yet another pseudo accusation that somehow justifies your inconsistent, non evidence based approach to this discussion.

Typical from a western born guy. You live in luxury, yet want famine toward poor people. Live in Afghanistan and I will agree with your barbaric views, then I will know you're not a hypocrite.

Useless commentary and drivel again. We have had a thousand iterations of you here with the same approach to discussions. At the end of the day, experience, logic, and evidence has won out every time. Besides looool, whats hilarious is you are depicting yourself in the confines of Afghanistan yet what percentage of the average rural Afghans (the masses) have access to a 24 hour a day internet link? No no, 'effendi' what is hypocritical is you sitting there acting like you know what is best for the Afghan people and how it is so very pertinent that the current plutocracy of dog washers (karzai, Taj Wardak,) and murdering thugs (Dostum/Abdullah) are somehow legitimate despite the fact that they can barely maintain a hold on the countryside next door to kabul

Again with that circumstance nonsense. According to your biased view, Taliban is apparently a creation of 'circumstances', but everything else in the world isn't effected by so called 'circumstances'.

Once again, you are repeating your pattern of non evidence based argument. I have never said that others have not responded to the Taliban's own stupid actions or that they existed in an ethical vacuum. Find me a quote where I say that and then you can make that point, otherwise, as I said before keep your peace since you have little to offer except emotional jingoism

You, yourself is admitting that Taliban is nothing but beast who follows instincts. While everyone else is intellectual greater beings, who can defy circumstances and have to act accordingly for the sake of the primitive creature

Uh, those that call themselves "Khans" like Karzai and those who go to my home village and have a royal ceremony done to pertend they are Ahmad Shah Abdali incarnate (once again that clown karzai) automatically assume the mantle of responsibility since these effeminate, soft handed, irresponsible, watan ferosh types are the ones that refer to themselves as above "barbarism" and as "educated." Seems like Hamida Bibi needs to return his Simla degree because the degree is hardly evidence of his skill as an honest political scientist.

And when in the hell did anyone impose anything upon anyone... The government is there to ensure political relations with foreign countries.


Wrong again. Governments are there to deliver justice by and for the people. Regarding political relations, what a joke of a statement since autonomous governance would mean that these "relations" would be dictated by said government. Instead, Karzai looks like a clown since he pretends he is actually an elected President instead of a puppet, A hilarious example of this was when the Special Force and US Army basically told him to stick his thumb in his as-s when he tried to order them to stop night raids:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/world/asia/16night.html?_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11762544

or perhaps the countless times Karzai has tried to order them to hit his adversaries across the border and the countless times they laugh him off the telecom.

Here is a perfect example of an inept government that cannot even deliver the basic justice to its denizens:

http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/10/afghan-families-want-accountability-not-apologies/

“The Americans said they would help us, now and in future,” said Agha. “They did not offer any amount of money, but when we left the palace we found some cars with sacks of food. We all agreed to refuse that offer: we are poor but we do not sell our own blood.”

“Our request is clear,” Khan told IPS. “Give us the pilots of the two helicopters. We will handle them according to our culture, to the Holy Quran and to what the Hadith prescribes. Then, we will give them back to the U.S., saying ‘we are very sorry’, as they did with us.”

“Over the past years the Americans have killed many innocent people, also children and women,” said Agha. “They just say ‘we apologise’. It’s time for them to be accountable for their wrong actions.”

http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/10/afghan-families-want-accountability-not-apologies/

What does Hamida Bibi Clownzai turn around and do??? And what do the dog washers named Ghani and Abdullah turn around and do? Instead of listening to the pleas and voices of Afghan villagers like this man who never lifted a hand against the government but whose sons were killed for no reason other than being Afghan men, these dog washer clowns and watan feroshee types are offering "immunity" from prosecution of any and ALL crimes on Afghan soil. That is not a government, that is a satrapy my friend... learn your definitions so that you use the right words.




The same it is with all other countries.

Wrong. No other country cedes the right to prosecute kharijaan of any origin for crimes on their soil.

It have never said to anyone to move from one spot to another or imposed a certain ideology on anyone. Taliban aren't marked in their forehead, so there is no way one can know who is Taliban and who is not. The soldiers are simply guarding their post. If anyone is shooting at them, they shot back.

Niiiiiiice. You think we are all naive? You know clearly the atrocities committed by these ANP and ALP and ANA folks where human rights groups have documented many many many atrocities initiated by them. Remember the name Zak Kandahari? That embedded piece of trash that murdered many innocent Afghans?

http://feature.rollingstone.com/feature/a-team-killings-afghanistan-special-forces

Nice try... classic Kabul mouthpiece move... an attempt to think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes and make it seem as if Karzai is running a ShangRiLa government and that nothing wrong is going on



Everyone and anyone is free to live their lives as they want. How is it the governments fault for shooting back at someone in self defense. It is the other hand Taliban who want to impose their law and brutality on other people.

Yet its Raziq and his piece of crap men and Zik Kandhari that are gouging people's eyes out with spoons and then shooting them in the head. You are officially deluded or on some psychotropic medications that make it appear to you as if reality is non reality and vice versa.


Karzai lost his family members for this forsaken country.

No, he lost money hungry **** relatives who enriched themselves at the cost of the Afghan people. The only forsaken here are his dirty thieves Ahmad Wali karzai, former car salesman Hashmat Karzai and the whole lot of that sick minded clan.

He did everything he could to hold his country together, while the likes of you live in the west and want to impose famine and war toward the Afghans.

Quit singing your ridiculous swan song. Any discernign reader knows full well that the concept of criticizing murderous occupation that is extended by the likes of you is hardly condoning "war and famine" especially since all the anti war and famine measures find their ways into the pockets of drug lords and Rateb Popal and all your bosom corrupt scandalous moronic illegitimate unable to govern goons.

You, yourself just said, Afghanistan wont become Switzerland, so why the hell are you complaining about the government for...

Are you really this dyslexic or are you playing coy? Its about as legitimate Dhiem or Maliki's government, barely able to sustain itself without sucking off the t-it of 70+ nations all the while lining bank accounts in Dubai

Back in the days, there were ordinary houses, but the material weren't made of bricks. In the Taliban era, even the brick houses that were made in pre era, was unrepairable. Today you will see houses that even western people could only dream of.

Oh you mean the ones that that moron's brother built for other dog washing emigre's who are losers in the West and who accomplished next to nothing but now call themselves "government officials?" Or you mean like documented criminals that are now "Sardaraan?" like the ones appointed by that fat-head grease ball Gulab Mangal:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/03/06/new-afghan-chief-in-marjah-has-criminal-record/

Is the best you guys can do? Recruit failures from foreign lands who come back with a chip on their shoulder after getting charged for attempted murder?


Afghanistan has always been a poor country, but it has never been in all time low as in Taliban era. Maybe you can go around and fool your western colleagues, but don't go around think those empty words can fool anyone who actually been there.

LOOOOL. Riiiiiiight. Another swang song fabrication. You think this line of reasoning works with any discerning and educated reader who demands the burden of proof for any and all assertions instead of your idiotic "you live in the West" comment? Keep droning on Mr. 24 Hour Internet who thinks he somehow has the right to comment on the will and aspirations of the Afghan people and their right to be autonomous based on some hypocritical charge of being "Western."

Because you cant handle the truth and then trying to avoid the hard realities.

Everyone in the current Afghan government is an Afghan as well. So why the hypocrisy about the current Afghan government and the Taliban.

You mean these soft handed criminals like Abdul Zahir?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7399867/New-Afghan-leader-was-jailed-for-attempted-murder-in-Germany.html

Somehow they had the ability to go and try to murder innocents in the West but couldn't even stand and fight a single Russian platoon??? And you think that somehow ought to legitimize them? In what sort of bizarro mentally retarded paradigm are you operating on?


It is non of our business if USA or other countries uses their own money to hire incompetent workers. It doesn't in any way effect the Afghan population or their resources. The reason those workers to begin with can't do their job, is thanks to the Taliban threat.

Wrong again LOOOOOOL. Read Jon Sopko of CIGAR's detailed report for the US government regarding how stupid these Kabul government officials are and how insanely corrupt and inefficient their building projects are. Nice try to pin the tail on the Taliban, but the only donkey this tail gets pinned to is straight onto Karzai's ghetto a-ss:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/john-sopko-is-fighting-corruption-in-afghanistan-and-making-noise-while-hes-at-it/2014/05/26/eac55c1e-e03c-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html

And true to you and your dog washer colleagues, suddenly you guys decided that lying or trying to claim that someone of impeccable character like Sopko was lying???? LOOOL. Read the idiot Afghan government's attempts to deny Sopko's claims:

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2013/05/11/cigar-claim-about-missing-aid-money-rejected

Man, you should really give up the day time propagandist job and turn to comedy because I am laughing my a-ss off at your ludicrous "24 hour internet" boy commentary trying to defend this clown bas-tard Hamida Bibi.



So blame your Taliban for any work not done. While todays foreigners are paid and carried by their own representative countries. In the Taliban era, it was the Afghan people who had to carry the heavy back for the sake of Taliban friends.

Neither did the drone or the weapons in the British empire harm their own people. It is the enemy who get harmed. In Taliban case, it is everyone but the enemy who gets harmed.

Wrong again. Read about low resolution and high resolution weaponry. Assymetric war breeds these sorts of responses. In Vietnam, the Vietcong's approaches were also grounded in a massive assymetry and many innocent Vietnemese died. The real criminals are neither the taliban nor the Americans but people like yourself that cry foul and cry crocadile tears knowing full well that it is at your instigation and your own policies that such actions result in the fighting of a major assymetric guerilla war on Afghan soil.

Neither is your source 'high impact factor', well referred or detailed.

Yeeeeeah LOOOOOL. The Washington Post and the NY Times and Rolling Stone and the Atlantic Monthly and Anand Gopal are all "liars" and bad reporters while you are somehow grounded in all knowledge and truth. Boy you are way out of your league and need to call in backup so that one of these other wataan foroshee types who works for Pajhwok or wherever combines a brain cell with your one existing one to somehow get you out of this rut because I can tell you right now that you are embarassing yourself.

You really think simply saying "They are not" is going to validate your obviously wrong arguments based on being a Kabul mouthpiece?

It is biased and very ignorant. You write your comments inside a quote, which means that others cant quote you. That leads to, that I have to use more time on quoting you, than the actual reply.

Nice try genius. The article links are all there and youcan access them easily. What this amounts to is that you are unable to answer the arguments, or even answer the evidence, leading to your utter failure to even make a single valid point in this discussion.

The Afghan economy is more than 45 billion dollars

Wrong again my deviant friend. Refer to the prior assessment we posted by the World Bank that shows the overwhelming abundance of the Afghan economy, oh some 90+% is based off the foreign largesse and not intrinsically or indigenously generated capital.

Here is again since you are playing propaganda games that no one here is even entertaining except perhaps as a good stand up comedy routine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/opinion/afghanistans-economic-challenges.html

The numbers are staggering. According to the World Bank, an estimated 97 percent of Afghanistan’s roughly $15.7 billion gross domestic product comes from international military and development aid and spending in the country by foreign troops. The economy is already contracting as troops leave, and future growth will be slower, especially in urban areas and areas of conflict.

And even more hilariously, they cannot even pay their own government officials as the aid spigot dries up:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/22/afghanistan-economy-revenue-budget-shortfall

Yeah, nice try to tell a bald-face lie.



. Houses are build, the everyday people got richer,

Correction, emigre technocrats and their local affilates get rich. Everyone else gets their eyes gauged out or is on the losing end of this farcical proposition.

the capital city is rebuild, the army is rebuild. There is more jobs, the life expectancy have raised, hospital are build, the education is greater than ever,

LOOOOOOL. Child, you think you can fool all the people all the time? Man you need to go tell these jokes on Hollywood Blvd. Here is the reality:

Its people like government official Sadat's daughter and other clowns are getting sent abroad which is not at all a meritocracy. Its a Plutocracy.


And you forget that discerning minds look into the details. And what do the details show... well they show losses as opposed to gains. For instance, in the sector of going to school, karzai touts more women in school but never mentions the abysmal attrition rate that has nothing to do with Taliban:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/02/us-afghanistan-jirga-women-idUSTRE6510U420100602

Figures from the ministry of women's affairs collated in 2007 show that just 24 percent of girls were in secondary education and the drop-out rate increases from the first to the last grade.

Lemme guess... another "biased" source? That may work in Kabul my friend but in the real outside world you better suit up and put on your big boy britches and show your cards and evidence when making important arguments. Otherwise, you are, as I said, nothing more than the CENTCOM equivalent of a comedian.



the media have reached all time high, electricity have been broadly expanded, transportation have become easier and our foreign relation have greatly improved.
How is the improvement even debatable...

The blanket term propaganda is basically you conceding that you cannot answer those articles with disconcerting statements even by well placed Afghan officials.
If that can make you sleep better at night, then you're welcome to believe it.


Remove your answers from the inside quote, so I don't have to waste my time. I already wasted more than enough time on this reply, thanks to the way you deliberately post inside the quote.

Nice try. The only person wasting time is me... but its mainly because I am enjoying showing observers how you technocrats have to rely on the typical charges of "Westernized and Propaganda" when you are backed into a corner and cannot answer for your inept leadership qualities and utter failures despite the support of 70 nations across a decade and a half.

Sh-it man, the Taliban had the support of 2 or 3 third world countries and even despite this you guys with 70 of the world's leading nations have produced a clown show in Kabul led by Hamida Bibi that has barely secured the countryside near Kabul and has had tenuous transient gains at best.

Pakistan is a state with 700 billion+ economy. It haven't had a civil war since its creation(beside the Bangladesh secession).

Pakistan is also a farcical joke of a country defying the unity of our collective Pashtun people and also built on a foundation of a feudal system. It is a perpetually failed state that limps long as a the tar baby of developed nations. Only losers shoot to emulate failed states, and quiet frankly that is what Karzai is and that is where he spent quiet a number of years.

The only one who brings chaos and destruction to Afghanistan is Taliban.
Karzai did a extremely good job, but sadly no one will recognize his work.

Oh no, to the contrary, people are recognizing what a freak show he created and how much life, treasure, and blood he stole from the Afghan people to nourish his own ego. He bought all of this around on his own self. Like the zoot suited gopher he was, he burrowed deep into Mojadedi's rectal cavity inthe 1980s and then in the 90s he cemented his role as a back bench second string recruit for the Americans (its interesting since his own brother laughs about Hamida's being unable to tolerate working hard and washing dishes in their restaurant- so his character was already obvious from the get go). No no my comedian friend, Hamida has, by his own hand, bought about his own historical and reputation-wise destruction. He will forever go in the annals of Afghan history as the man that sold the land to the kharij for a paltry price.

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[khushal]

Your stupidity is beyond imagination. Did you even read what I wrote? You damn western born retard. You're exactly the reason why brothers and sisters shouldn't marry.

your the retard since you cant come up with a different insult. you have used the sister and brother shouldn't marry line like ten times with people here. come up with something original, people used to use that line back in the 80's, its really old.

[DSM0305]

@barakzaiAbdali

LOOOOL. Classic last recourse of the watan feroshee style thinkers who are milking the system. You don't get it, the West accusation wears thin since even that looks stupid. For those of us in the West, our parents left when the tribal system and some semblance of a civil even if rural society was in place. Therefore, we are far more the original McCoy then you could ever be. So please do us a favor and come up with yet another pseudo accusation that somehow justifies your inconsistent, non evidence based approach to this discussion.

Are you mental ill or something? So not only have you lived your entire life in the west, but your parents as well. ''our parents left when the tribal system and some semblance of a civil even if rural society was in place.'' what the heck did you just say. Your sentence literally doesn't make any sense. And how the heck can you be the 'real McCoy', even your idioms have turned as 'Anglish' as it could.
Even more importantly, how the heck is your 'originality' anything to do with you living in the west. My main point with the likes of you living in the west is the fact, that you haven't experience the life and the struggle in Afghanistan under Taliban. You time to time, showcase your own mental retardation and inability to comprehend a simple sentence. The same thing you did with the Ahmad Shah Baba comment and in various other occasion in your comments.

Useless commentary and drivel again. We have had a thousand iterations of you here with the same approach to discussions. At the end of the day, experience, logic, and evidence has won out every time. Besides looool, whats hilarious is you are depicting yourself in the confines of Afghanistan yet what percentage of the average rural Afghans (the masses) have access to a 24 hour a day internet link? No no, 'effendi' what is hypocritical is you sitting there acting like you know what is best for the Afghan people and how it is so very pertinent that the current plutocracy of dog washers (karzai, Taj Wardak,) and murdering thugs (Dostum/Abdullah) are somehow legitimate despite the fact that they can barely maintain a hold on the countryside next door to kabul

Exactly, experience, logic have won every time. Which is something you lack obviously. In capital Kabul 70 % percent have access to electricity and throughout the country it is 33 %. Some far superior number compared to 0 % under Taliban.


Once again, you are repeating your pattern of non evidence based argument. I have never said that others have not responded to the Taliban's own stupid actions or that they existed in an ethical vacuum. Find me a quote where I say that and then you can make that point, otherwise, as I said before keep your peace since you have little to offer except emotional jingoism

Every single comment regarding Taliban high civilian casualty attack; you have spewed your nonsense regarding Taliban being part 'circumstances', while you have pin pointed the far inferior civilian casualty rate of the coalition forces and the Afghan government. One can clearly see, when you're out of argumentation, you start with your usual rhetoric of me 'repeating my pattern'.

Uh, those that call themselves "Khans" like Karzai and those who go to my home village and have a royal ceremony done to pertend they are Ahmad Shah Abdali incarnate (once again that clown karzai) automatically assume the mantle of responsibility since these effeminate, soft handed, irresponsible, watan ferosh types are the ones that refer to themselves as above "barbarism" and as "educated." Seems like Hamida Bibi needs to return his Simla degree because the degree is hardly evidence of his skill as an honest political scientist.

Yeah, keep up with your nonsense of emotional outburst. Funny fact that it is you who accuse me of emotional responding, while there is literally zero factual facts from your side.

Wrong again. Governments are there to deliver justice by and for the people. Regarding political relations, what a joke of a statement since autonomous governance would mean that these "relations" would be dictated by said government.

Where is your Taliban justice, when inncocent women and children dies in their cowardly suicide bombs, or the justice where civilian get limbless thanks to Taliban IED.
This is the Taliban justice. Torturing and then shooting a woman from point blank 9 times, while his fellows cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHpGmQbfck



What does Hamida Bibi Clownzai turn around and do??? And what do the dog washers named Ghani and Abdullah turn around and do? Instead of listening to the pleas and voices of Afghan villagers like this man who never lifted a hand against the government but whose sons were killed for no reason other than being Afghan men, these dog washer clowns and watan feroshee types are offering "immunity" from prosecution of any and ALL crimes on Afghan soil. That is not a government, that is a satrapy my friend... learn your definitions so that you use the right words.

So you claim this is justice. Unlike the accident that you posted, this one isn't an uncommon accident. This is what Taliban is doing on daily basis.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ro...anistan-533786

The victims were travelling in Giro district of Ghazni province after a wedding ceremony when the bomb ripped through their vehicle, district governor Abdullah Khairkhwah told AFP.

"Twelve civilians were killed, seven of them were women, and the rest were men, as their minivan vehicles hit a roadside bomb," Khairkhwah said.

Learn the word Justice is something I should tell you, but a hypocrite savage like you, wont exactly moan for the victims of thousands, just because they were killed by Taliban.

Wrong. No other country cedes the right to prosecute kharijaan of any origin for crimes on their soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement

A status of forces agreement (SOFA) is an agreement between a host country and a foreign nation stationing military forces in that country. SOFAs are often included, along with other types of military agreements, as part of a comprehensive security arrangement. A SOFA does not constitute a security arrangement; it establishes the rights and privileges of foreign personnel present in a host country in support of the larger security arrangement.[1] Under international law a status of forces agreement differs from military occupation.

While the United States military has the largest foreign presence and therefore accounts for most SOFAs, the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Germany, Italy, Russia, South Korea, and many other nations also station military forces abroad and negotiate SOFAs with their host countries. In the past, the Soviet Union had SOFAs with most of its satellite states. While most of the United States' SOFAs are public, some remain classified

Every country in the entire world does this. Only brain dead savages thinks Afghanistan is special occasion.




Niiiiiiice. You think we are all naive? You know clearly the atrocities committed by these ANP and ALP and ANA folks where human rights groups have documented many many many atrocities initiated by them. Remember the name Zak Kandahari? That embedded piece of trash that murdered many innocent Afghans?
http://feature.rollingstone.com/feat...special-forces

Nice try... classic Kabul mouthpiece move... an attempt to think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes and make it seem as if Karzai is running a ShangRiLa government and that nothing wrong is going on


You're not naive; you're plain stupid. Taking individual cases and trying to represent it as the whole military. Even in this case there aren't enough evidence to support any factual conclusion.



Now draw a conclusion of your 'holy' Taliban who slaughtered 6000 + hazaras in-front of their family. Did I mention that kids had their hands amputated.



http://www.rawa.org/times.htm


A typical classic terrorist sympathetic argument you're doing.



Yet its Raziq and his piece of crap men and Zik Kandhari that are gouging people's eyes out with spoons and then shooting them in the head. You are officially deluded or on some psychotropic medications that make it appear to you as if reality is non reality and vice versa.



Firstly there is no proof of Raziq doing anything of that sort. Secondly Taliban are cutting peoples head of and play football with it, yeah they film it as well. I would have posted this here, but it may be to graphic for younger viewers.

The reality is that you have some mental issue and support savage people. Taliban is stoning women to death, throw accid on women for going to school, amputating peoples hand, cutting noses and ears. And god knows what more.



No, he lost money hungry **** relatives who enriched themselves at the cost of the Afghan people. The only forsaken here are his dirty thieves Ahmad Wali karzai, former car salesman Hashmat Karzai and the whole lot of that sick minded clan.


May his noble family rest in peace. They sacrificed their life for the country. They dedicated their for the country. This is what I call true heroes.




Quit singing your ridiculous swan song. Any discernign reader knows full well that the concept of criticizing murderous occupation that is extended by the likes of you is hardly condoning "war and famine" especially since all the anti war and famine measures find their ways into the pockets of drug lords and Rateb Popal and all your bosom corrupt scandalous moronic illegitimate unable to govern goons.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26747712


All facts says otherwise. Maybe you should pay less attention to your singing career and start educate yourself regarding Afghanistan.


Are you really this dyslexic or are you playing coy? Its about as legitimate Dhiem or Maliki's government, barely able to sustain itself without sucking off the t-it of 70+ nations all the while lining bank accounts in Dubai


I've seen people like you, but I had to pay admission. If you haven't realized it yet. Afghanistan got 45 billion economy and it is growing. Everything in Afghanistan is basically heading the right direction.



LOOOOL. Riiiiiiight. Another swang song fabrication. You think this line of reasoning works with any discerning and educated reader who demands the burden of proof for any and all assertions instead of your idiotic "you live in the West" comment? Keep droning on Mr. 24 Hour Internet who thinks he somehow has the right to comment on the will and aspirations of the Afghan people and their right to be autonomous based on some hypocritical charge of being "Western."



http://worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/a...t=155&nid=&id=


90 % of Afghans have an unfavorable view of Taliban. Now stop your retardation and stop repeating 'don't impose your view on us' rhetoric.




Wrong again LOOOOOOL. Read Jon Sopko of CIGAR's detailed report for the US government regarding how stupid these Kabul government officials are and how insanely corrupt and inefficient their building projects are. Nice try to pin the tail on the Taliban, but the only donkey this tail gets pinned to is straight onto Karzai's ghetto a-ss:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...82d_story.html

And true to you and your dog washer colleagues, suddenly you guys decided that lying or trying to claim that someone of impeccable character like Sopko was lying???? LOOOL. Read the idiot Afghan government's attempts to deny Sopko's claims:
http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2013/05/11...money-rejected

Man, you should really give up the day time propagandist job and turn to comedy because I am laughing my a-ss off at your ludicrous "24 hour internet" boy commentary trying to defend this clown bas-tard Hamida Bibi.


http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2012/08/22...jwai-ring-road


Taliban destroy roads, bridges and other constructions. When the Afghan government or the coalition decide to build something, they have to take the entire battalion to secure the workers.




Wrong again. Read about low resolution and high resolution weaponry. Assymetric war breeds these sorts of responses. In Vietnam, the Vietcong's approaches were also grounded in a massive assymetry and many innocent Vietnemese died. The real criminals are neither the taliban nor the Americans but people like yourself that cry foul and cry crocadile tears knowing full well that it is at your instigation and your own policies that such actions result in the fighting of a major assymetric guerilla war on Afghan soil.



The problem is, the guerrilla war don't need to be fought. It is the Taliban who is power hungry, who wants to gain power in expense of innocent civilian life.





Yeeeeeah LOOOOOL. The Washington Post and the NY Times and Rolling Stone and the Atlantic Monthly and Anand Gopal are all "liars" and bad reporters while you are somehow grounded in all knowledge and truth. Boy you are way out of your league and need to call in backup so that one of these other wataan foroshee types who works for Pajhwok or wherever combines a brain cell with your one existing one to somehow get you out of this rut because I can tell you right now that you are embarassing yourself.

You really think simply saying "They are not" is going to validate your obviously wrong arguments based on being a Kabul mouthpiece?



Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion.

Little girl. You're cherry picking news and give it a 180 degree turn so it fits your agenda. Maybe you can go around and fool the likes of 10 year old khushal boy, but facts will remain facts.


Nice try genius. The article links are all there and youcan access them easily. What this amounts to is that you are unable to answer the arguments, or even answer the evidence, leading to your utter failure to even make a single valid point in this discussion.


I know you have problems with reading comprehension, but right now you're beyond stupid. Let me try to explain again. When you write inside a quote, one cannot quote you back. Which means I have to scroll down and up, and copy and past, than after I done that hundred of time, I can finally write the reply.




Wrong again my deviant friend. Refer to the prior assessment we posted by the World Bank that shows the overwhelming abundance of the Afghan economy, oh some 90+% is based off the foreign largesse and not intrinsically or indigenously generated capital.

Here is again since you are playing propaganda games that no one here is even entertaining except perhaps as a good stand up comedy routine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/op...hallenges.html

Quote:
The numbers are staggering. According to the World Bank, an estimated 97 percent of Afghanistan’s roughly $15.7 billion gross domestic product comes from international military and development aid and spending in the country by foreign troops. The economy is already contracting as troops leave, and future growth will be slower, especially in urban areas and areas of conflict.
And even more hilariously, they cannot even pay their own government officials as the aid spigot dries up:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...dget-shortfall

Yeah, nice try to tell a bald-face lie.



lol, posting from 2012 news regarding the economy.



https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/af.html


Afghanistan got 45 billion PPP and will exceed 50 billion mark by the end of this year. The GDP is not only about export. It is rather about the circulation of the money. Which means the aid money add up to the GDP growth rate, but not the GDP it self. Which means with 50 billion PPP, Afghanistan will still be able stand even without the foreign forces. The departure of foreign forces will simply mean that the incredible around 7 % average growth rate that have been happening in the last few years will halt.




LOOOOOOL. Child, you think you can fool all the people all the time? Man you need to go tell these jokes on Hollywood Blvd. Here is the reality:

Its people like government official Sadat's daughter and other clowns are getting sent abroad which is not at all a meritocracy. Its a Plutocracy.


And you forget that discerning minds look into the details. And what do the details show... well they show losses as opposed to gains. For instance, in the sector of going to school, karzai touts more women in school but never mentions the abysmal attrition rate that has nothing to do with Taliban:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...6510U420100602




So you post a source from 2010...

Maybe should see what causes that. And guess what, Taliban mentality. The reason women cant get higher education is due to child marriage. You can thank Taliban for that mentality.

http://www.trustineducation.org/reso...-afghan-woman/
What causes such difficulties for Afghan women?

- Child marriage: More than 50% of Afghan girls are married or engaged by 12.
Almost 60% of girls are married by 16. Women activists say up to 80 percent of marriages in poor rural areas are either forced or arranged.
Most girls marry far older men — some in their 60s — whom they meet for the first time at their wedding.
A lack of security from three decades of war, and the risk of kidnapping and rape, has also prompted many families to force their young daughters into marriage.


Lemme guess... another "biased" source? That may work in Kabul my friend but in the real outside world you better suit up and put on your big boy britches and show your cards and evidence when making important arguments. Otherwise, you are, as I said, nothing more than the CENTCOM equivalent of a comedian.


If I am the comedian, you’ll be the joke



Nice try. The only person wasting time is me... but its mainly because I am enjoying showing observers how you technocrats have to rely on the typical charges of "Westernized and Propaganda" when you are backed into a corner and cannot answer for your inept leadership qualities and utter failures despite the support of 70 nations across a decade and a half.

Sh-it man, the Taliban had the support of 2 or 3 third world countries and even despite this you guys with 70 of the world's leading nations have produced a clown show in Kabul led by Hamida Bibi that has barely secured the countryside near Kabul and has had tenuous transient gains at best.



Your arguments are very easy to debunk, even a child would find no problem with that. That why I find this discussion waste of time. The only reason I am replying is because you want me to. I can’t disappoint a woman, can I?



Pakistan is also a farcical joke of a country defying the unity of our collective Pashtun people and also built on a foundation of a feudal system. It is a perpetually failed state that limps long as a the tar baby of developed nations. Only losers shoot to emulate failed states, and quiet frankly that is what Karzai is and that is where he spent quiet a number of years.


Pakistan is 700 billion dollars economy. With 600000+ military personal. Pashtuns would have long time ago departed from Pakistan if they wished. The thing is, they do not want to. Can one really blame them? I mean who heck want to join a population of 15 million ilitrate backward Afghan Pashtuns. So Pakistan have nothing to do with Pashtun disunity. The main problem is Taliban, who have kept Pashtuns in Afghanistan completely backward. In Pakistan, Pashtuns will soon even surpass Punjabis in literacy.




Oh no, to the contrary, people are recognizing what a freak show he created and how much life, treasure, and blood he stole from the Afghan people to nourish his own ego. He bought all of this around on his own self. Like the zoot suited gopher he was, he burrowed deep into Mojadedi's rectal cavity inthe 1980s and then in the 90s he cemented his role as a back bench second string recruit for the Americans (its interesting since his own brother laughs about Hamida's being unable to tolerate working hard and washing dishes in their restaurant- so his character was already obvious from the get go). No no my comedian friend, Hamida has, by his own hand, bought about his own historical and reputation-wise destruction. He will forever go in the annals of Afghan history as the man that sold the land to the kharij for a paltry price.


He will forever be remembered as someone who brought Afghanistan back from stone age.

[DSM0305]

your the retard since you cant come up with a different insult. you have used the sister and brother shouldn't marry line like ten times with people here. come up with something original, people used to use that line back in the 80's, its really old.

Were your brain paralyzed for so long time, and you finally now got it working. Did it take BarakzaiAbdali to copy, before you could reply to me, lol. You basically copied his line and reposted haha

I didn't know there was an expiring date on insults. I am truly sorry for making you chew on old stool.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

All the latest responses in the blue font below**

@barakzaiAbdali
LOOOOL. Classic last recourse of the watan feroshee style thinkers who are milking the system. You don't get it, the West accusation wears thin since even that looks stupid. For those of us in the West, our parents left when the tribal system and some semblance of a civil even if rural society was in place. Therefore, we are far more the original McCoy then you could ever be. So please do us a favor and come up with yet another pseudo accusation that somehow justifies your inconsistent, non evidence based approach to this discussion.

Are you mental ill or something? So not only have you lived your entire life in the west, but your parents as well.

No "genius" learn to read and interpret and not interpolate. They left at the end of the Daud Khan era.

''our parents left when the tribal system and some semblance of a civil even if rural society was in place.'' what the heck did you just say. Your sentence literally doesn't make any sense. And how the heck can you be the 'real McCoy', even your idioms have turned as 'Anglish' as it could.

It means that you Kabuli types have minimal knowledge about our inherent culture, tribes, and ideologies but you surely do have a very complete knowledge of how to repeatedly sell your country off based on some random benefits to kith and kin with the rest of the Afghan people suffering deprivations based on your likes, needs, and wants.

Even more importantly, how the heck is your 'originality' anything to do with you living in the west. My main point with the likes of you living in the west is the fact, that you haven't experience the life and the struggle in Afghanistan under Taliban.

LOOOOOOOL. Yea, right, Mr. 24-Hour-Internet-Access. Its your classic watan feroshee Kabul government style cop outs to somehow make yourself feel better for ignoring your moral obligations to not sell off the nation to the highest bidder. Its very convenient that you can ignore confounding factors (e.g. sanctions, war destroyed infrastructure) when it suits you, and somehow ignore all of the grand standing of the failed Kabul government that can barely plod along with the support of 70+ nations. Im sure it makes you feel great that you can have random art shows and spike your tips in Kabul city while in Nerkh and other rural areas your compatriots get brutalized thanks to the Karzai government's blank check to kharijaan.

Seems as if my times there in the 1990s and even in the last decade offer me a far better view and analysis than your supposed "decades" of living under them with "24 Hour Internet Access" like I am sure they have in Musa Qala and so many other places? Riiiiight? (Sarcasm)

You time to time, showcase your own mental retardation and inability to comprehend a simple sentence. The same thing you did with the Ahmad Shah Baba comment and in various other occasion in your comments.

LOOOOOOL. Says the guy that randomly thinks educated people will accept his commentary that everyone from CIGAR to Rollingstone to the NY Times to the Washington Post to the Spiegel to The Nation is propaganda. Retardation even hints at some potential to progress.. Id venture that you are at some level far below retarded... such as mentally stunted and mule like impotent.

Useless commentary and drivel again. We have had a thousand iterations of you here with the same approach to discussions. At the end of the day, experience, logic, and evidence has won out every time. Besides looool, whats hilarious is you are depicting yourself in the confines of Afghanistan yet what percentage of the average rural Afghans (the masses) have access to a 24 hour a day internet link? No no, 'effendi' what is hypocritical is you sitting there acting like you know what is best for the Afghan people and how it is so very pertinent that the current plutocracy of dog washers (karzai, Taj Wardak,) and murdering thugs (Dostum/Abdullah) are somehow legitimate despite the fact that they can barely maintain a hold on the countryside next door to kabul

Exactly, experience, logic have won every time. Which is something you lack obviously. In capital Kabul 70 % percent have access to electricity and throughout the country it is 33 %. Some far superior number compared to 0 % under Taliban.

My Lord... LOOOL... you make this so easy. Finally, one of you Kabul Government CENTCOM equivalents to knock around a little. I am going to really get a kick out showing just how backwards and inept you are. Let's dig into the specifics of that a bit shall we??? As we said, lets source it.

The percentage of the population with access to electricity in Afghanistan is among the lowest in the world. The Ministry of Energy and Water estimates that about 30% of Afghans have access to electricity from grid-based power, micro-hydro, or solar panel stations. The situation has improved significantly in the major urban population centers along the critical North East corridor between Mazar-e-Sharif and Kabul, following the import of power from Uzbekistan and the rehabilitation of three hydro plants (Mahipar and Sarobi completed, and Naghlu ongoing). Increasing parts of some urban centers, for example Kabul, Herat, Mazar-e-Sharif, and Pul-e-Khumri, now have a 24-hour power supply for the first time in decades.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/...istan/overview

Greeeeeat, so your commentary emanates from which end source? The Ministry of Energy and Water which goes on to note the great benefit has fallen to the Shamali folks and involves imported electricity from Uzbekistan? Who did Dostum the criminal have to give a tug-job to get that accomplished? See how laughable your attempts to propagandize are? They show the repeated deprivations that the Karzai government has dealt to Pashtuns across the years, from introducing ISAF into their areas and igniting a vicious insurgency to making sure that they are the most deprived in the country (I guess he really is mirroring his bosom buddy Pakistan).

And why lets go deeper shall we?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8080C920120109

Some choice quotes:

Abdul Razique Samadi, the chief executive officer at DaAfghanistan Breshna Sherkat (DABS), said the situation in the capital, Kabul, is far better than the rest of the country, with around 70 percent of households connected.
"Instead of having electricity for two hours, we have power for 24 hours and it is quite reliable," he told Reuters.

So you want to brag about the fact that everyone outside of Kabul has 2 hours of electricity (and mind you its concentrated in the North) ... in case you try, like the Kabul based Snake you are, to wriggle out of that, we can go to the next section:

Power cuts are still a regular feature of life, especially at peak times, with more Afghans wanting to watch TV, use electric radiators or cook on electric stoves.

Oh and lets not forget this little tid-bit:

To meet its shortfall, the country has to rely on expensive, noisy and polluting diesel generators.

Quit while you are only a little behind, otherwise, this looks like a grown man (me) kicking around a 3 year old (you).

Once again, you are repeating your pattern of non evidence based argument. I have never said that others have not responded to the Taliban's own stupid actions or that they existed in an ethical vacuum. Find me a quote where I say that and then you can make that point, otherwise, as I said before keep your peace since you have little to offer except emotional jingoism

Every single comment regarding Taliban high civilian casualty attack; you have spewed your nonsense regarding Taliban being part 'circumstances', while you have pin pointed the far inferior civilian casualty rate of the coalition forces and the Afghan government. One can clearly see, when you're out of argumentation, you start with your usual rhetoric of me 'repeating my pattern'.

What kind of retard talk is that? As I said, you seem to live in some 1 dimensional reality that involves ignoring the 5000 years of history of warfare and especially recent warfare between powers and poorly armed guerillas. Your comment ethically equates to: Doctors should not be held to a higher standard than midwives because well... because I (DSM0305) says so! Of course those with high resolution, laser guided weaponry and with an ideology of educated warfare have a greater obligation.

Uh, those that call themselves "Khans" like Karzai and those who go to my home village and have a royal ceremony done to pertend they are Ahmad Shah Abdali incarnate (once again that clown karzai) automatically assume the mantle of responsibility since these effeminate, soft handed, irresponsible, watan ferosh types are the ones that refer to themselves as above "barbarism" and as "educated." Seems like Hamida Bibi needs to return his Simla degree because the degree is hardly evidence of his skill as an honest political scientist.

Yeah, keep up with your nonsense of emotional outburst. Funny fact that it is you who accuse me of emotional responding, while there is literally zero factual facts from your side.

Weak sauce response. Try harder next time. The comment clearly denotes that Karzai chased the Takhth and now that he is sitting on it (albeit weakly) he assumes responsibility for his actions and cannot sit there and off load his responsibility onto the coalition forces simply for making show for the Afghan people that realize he is a farcical clown character.

Wrong again. Governments are there to deliver justice by and for the people. Regarding political relations, what a joke of a statement since autonomous governance would mean that these "relations" would be dictated by said government.

Where is your Taliban justice, when inncocent women and children dies in their cowardly suicide bombs, or the justice where civilian get limbless thanks to Taliban IED.
This is the Taliban justice. Torturing and then shooting a woman from point blank 9 times, while his fellows cheers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHpGmQbfck

Oh you want to go here don't you? LOOOOL, lets go somewhere with a little higher impact than Youtube. Lets go to the famous A-Team? Here is how superb reporter Matthiew Aikins notes you dogwashers treat your fellow man:

That November day, a roadside bomb had hit the American Special Forces team as it patrolled nearby, lightly injuring an American soldier and a translator. Soon afterward, a convoy of Americans mounted on ATVs, followed by Afghan soldiers, came rumbling down the road. Fearful, Omar and Gul Rahim put down their tools and went inside. As they sat in the back room, surrounded by Omar’s young children, a burly, bearded American burst through the front door, accompanied by two Afghan translators who started searching the rooms. They found the two men and yelled at them to get up; when Omar protested, one of the translators, Hamza, started kicking him, and his blows sent Omar crashing through his window into the garden.

Oh and it doesn't stop here when this civilian is being abused:

As Omar lay stunned on the ground, his wife and kids rushed over, hysterical, and clutched at him to protect him, but Hamza fired several shots over their heads, killing a cow and scattering the woman and children. He then dragged Omar into a small, walled apple orchard, where the other translator – a tall, sunken-eyed man who had taken the nom de guerre Zikria Kandahari, after his southern birthplace – was beating Gul Rahim in front of several Americans. In the neighbor’s orchard, Americans had found the trigger wire for the bomb that had exploded earlier in the day. As the two pleaded their innocence, one of the Americans came over and shoved Omar up against the wall, punching him. Omar says he watched as Kandahari marched Gul Rahim about a dozen yards away, and as the Americans looked on, the translator raised his pistol to the back of Gul Rahim’s head and fired three shots.

Reeeeeeeal manly and dignified huh? What can you expect from people who operate at Hamida Bibi's discretion??

What does Hamida Bibi Clownzai turn around and do??? And what do the dog washers named Ghani and Abdullah turn around and do? Instead of listening to the pleas and voices of Afghan villagers like this man who never lifted a hand against the government but whose sons were killed for no reason other than being Afghan men, these dog washer clowns and watan feroshee types are offering "immunity" from prosecution of any and ALL crimes on Afghan soil. That is not a government, that is a satrapy my friend... learn your definitions so that you use the right words.

So you claim this is justice. Unlike the accident that you posted, this one isn't an uncommon accident. This is what Taliban is doing on daily basis.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ro...anistan-533786

The victims were travelling in Giro district of Ghazni province after a wedding ceremony when the bomb ripped through their vehicle, district governor Abdullah Khairkhwah told AFP.

"Twelve civilians were killed, seven of them were women, and the rest were men, as their minivan vehicles hit a roadside bomb," Khairkhwah said.

Are you that mentally slow that you cannot read? It was not a projectile that was dropped on them... it was a RAID on the house and shooting into it from helicopter view. That's with high resolution, focused weaponry and even still thanks to Karzai's inept inability to reign in the corrupt and barbaric ANP and ANA (comprised of local thugs and many Shamali folks) and their handlers killed these people point-blank. Do you get that? That means there was no hair trigger, no weight sensor, nothing like that.

Learn the word Justice is something I should tell you, but a hypocrite savage like you, wont exactly moan for the victims of thousands, just because they were killed by Taliban.

LOOOOOL... yeah and the guys who Zik Kandahari and Raziq murder with their own hands and their own henchmen somehow but degrees of separation between soft handed Hamida Bibi and your types... Savage is too good a word for you guys, I far prefer tar baby slugs since you hold back the whole world from progressing and are probably the best thieves seen since Ali Baba stole his loot.

Wrong. No other country cedes the right to prosecute kharijaan of any origin for crimes on their soil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement

A status of forces agreement (SOFA) is an agreement between a host country and a foreign nation stationing military forces in that country. SOFAs are often included, along with other types of military agreements, as part of a comprehensive security arrangement. A SOFA does not constitute a security arrangement; it establishes the rights and privileges of foreign personnel present in a host country in support of the larger security arrangement.[1] Under international law a status of forces agreement differs from military occupation.

While the United States military has the largest foreign presence and therefore accounts for most SOFAs, the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Germany, Italy, Russia, South Korea, and many other nations also station military forces abroad and negotiate SOFAs with their host countries. In the past, the Soviet Union had SOFAs with most of its satellite states. While most of the United States' SOFAs are public, some remain classified

Every country in the entire world does this. Only brain dead savages thinks Afghanistan is special occasion.

And your cut and paste shows me what? Do you need to go back to third grade so that you can actually read what you just posted? It in no way negates the fact that in this "negotiation" which is said in your own cut and paste is the basis for many SOFAs, immunity for troops who have committed crimes on Afghan soil, and have had a precedent for doing so (e.g. Robert Bales) cannot be prosecuted by Afghanistan.

Lets go into the big boy articles and see what that means:

he sticking point has been the U.S.’s demand for continued legal immunity for its troops, which Karzai is reluctant to grant.

LOOOOL... see child, even your Prophet of retardedness, Hamida Bibi, claims to see the problem with your idiot logic. Yet ironically he got raw dogged enough by his Shamali handlers and threatened with a coup so he pretty much relented like the b-itch he is.


Niiiiiiice. You think we are all naive? You know clearly the atrocities committed by these ANP and ALP and ANA folks where human rights groups have documented many many many atrocities initiated by them. Remember the name Zak Kandahari? That embedded piece of trash that murdered many innocent Afghans?
http://feature.rollingstone.com/feat...special-forces

Nice try... classic Kabul mouthpiece move... an attempt to think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes and make it seem as if Karzai is running a ShangRiLa government and that nothing wrong is going on


You're not naive; you're plain stupid. Taking individual cases and trying to represent it as the whole military. Even in this case there aren't enough evidence to support any factual conclusion.

Wow, if they gave out gold stars for the most challenged and handicapped you'd have enough to fill a night sky my dear friend. LOOOOL. Lets see how Amnesty International and the nation interprets the data:

T

he judicial authorities, the police and the Afghan National Army routinely committed serious human rights violations. Arbitrary arrests and detentions continued, with systematic use of torture and other ill-treatment by the intelligence services.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/172505...kill-civilians#

Lets see what sort of absurd response you offer us to overlook their investigations.



Now draw a conclusion of your 'holy' Taliban who slaughtered 6000 + hazaras in-front of their family. Did I mention that kids had their hands amputated.



http://www.rawa.org/times.htm


Oh really, what next? Are you going to give birth to Hezbe Wahdat's love child while forgetting their excesses and crimes and instigations? Please, you are a PASHTUN forums where we know exactly what those *******s did as well and know our history.

A typical classic terrorist sympathetic argument you're doing.

Hardly, how am I sympathizing with Zik Kandahari, Hamid Karzai, and Abdurraziq, some of the biggest rapists, murders, and criminals in recent Afghan history? Oooooh, I forgot, in your world Dostum can clean the blood of off his hands very easily - it just takes some Karzai love juice (on a side note I hear you enjoy a lot of that product).

Yet its Raziq and his piece of crap men and Zik Kandhari that are gouging people's eyes out with spoons and then shooting them in the head. You are officially deluded or on some psychotropic medications that make it appear to you as if reality is non reality and vice versa.



Firstly there is no proof of Raziq doing anything of that sort. Secondly Taliban are cutting peoples head of and play football with it, yeah they film it as well. I would have posted this here, but it may be to graphic for younger viewers.

Man, Kabul CENTCOM, if you are this out of the loop, no wonder you have built the biggest tar baby government the world has ever seen! LOOOOL, lets get some of the details of Semple's exquisite investigation from this high impact factor solidly investigated (the reporter was on the ground level) source where in a badi, Abdur Raziq MURDERED a child in Badi.

But whether the elders believed Razik to be honest or merely naive, they were wrong. Razik would quickly move to expand the force’s involvement in the enormous opium traffic pouring through the region, and in the process would grow powerful enough to defy even his own tribal elders.

Drug dealer (CHECK, LOL)

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...ndahar/308653/

Here are the details of a UN affiliate, Mike Semple's investigation into Abdur Raziq's personal hand in killing Shin Noorzai:

Raziq and his men loaded their captives into a convoy of Land Cruisers and headed out to a parched, desolate stretch of the Afghan-Pakistani border. About 10 kilometers outside of town, they came to a halt. Shin and the others were hauled out of the trucks and into a dry river gully. There, at close range, Raziq’s forces let loose with automatic weapons, their bullets tearing through the helpless men, smashing their faces apart and soaking their robes with blood. After finishing the job, they unbound the corpses and left them there.
Arriving back in Spin Boldak, Raziq reported to his superiors and to the press that he had intercepted “at least 15” Taliban fighters infiltrating from Pakistan, led by the “mid-level Taliban commander Mullah Shin,” and had killed them in a gun battle. “We got a tip-off about them coming across the border. We went down there and fought them,” Raziq told the Associated Press the next day. It was the beginning of a cover-up that would go all the way up to President Karzai in Kabul.

Gotta hand it to the man, loooool, when he wants to kill someone he just puts the word "mullah" in front of their name.

There was an outcry across the border in Pakistan, however, where many of the victims’ families lived. On March 23, two days after the murders, the Pakistani Foreign Office lodged a protest with the Afghan ambassador in Islamabad. Yet it is likely that Raziq and Lalai would have kept the truth hidden, were it not for an Afghan official working for the European Union who had happened to be in Spin Boldak at the time of the murders.

When he heard of the suspicious killings, this official called his boss, Michael Semple, who was then the deputy to Francesc Vendrell, the European Union’s special representative to Afghanistan. “He had real-time information and alerted me,” said Semple, who noticed the discrepancy between word-of-mouth reports in Spin Boldak and the official line. “It was being sold as a heroic defense of Afghanistan against the Taliban.”

Thank God people like Semple and Sopko keep the retarded people like you on their toes, having to hatch new lies to cover old tricks. LOOOOOL.

Oh and who is Semple, you fanatical retard?:

A tall Irishman with a flaming-red beard, fluent in Dari and Pashto, Semple was known as a foreigner who didn’t hesitate to get directly involved in Afghan politics. That hands-on attitude would later get Semple in trouble, when he was caught up in a 2007 dispute over a local cease-fire with the Taliban and was kicked out of the country by Karzai. He’s now a fellow at Harvard University’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy and a widely respected expert on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But I digress, lets return to what the criminal investigators found!:

The CID team found the 16 corpses lying a meter or two apart in a ravine near the Pakistani border. Mohammad told me that it was immediately obvious that Raziq’s story of a fierce battle with Taliban fighters could not have been true. The men had clearly been killed at close range. They were clumped together at the bottom of a steep-walled gully, an improbable place for a gun battle. Their wrists bore bind marks, and their clothes were clean and new, more suitable for a party than for a Taliban incursion.

Oh and lets examine how Abdurraziq killed a 16 year old boy:

As an investigative officer in one of the most violent provinces in Afghanistan, Mohammad had seen hundreds of dead bodies. But this time, he was overcome with emotion by the corpse of a boy who could not have been more than 16—the same boy whose picture I had looked at with Waheed. “He was a lovely boy. I wept for him as I lifted his body,” Mohammed said, his voice thickening. “For one person, Raziq killed 15 innocents.”

Child murderer (CHECK!)

And here is the hook line and sinker:

Semple, who was later shown the contents of the report, said that it was an open-and-shut case. “They documented the killings in such a way that would leave no reasonable person in doubt that these were summary executions carried out by the Border Police,” he said.

And not only are you a mental half wit, but you are also a sneaky little Kabul CENTCOM mouthpiece, so lets point out Raziq's personal involvement in these murders:

Raziq and his men loaded their captives into a convoy of Land Cruisers and headed out to a parched, desolate stretch of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Going on, lets point out another case where Raziq murdered some people:

Nor was that the only time Raziq’s force was featured in the human-rights report. Last year’s report referred to an incident in February 2010, noting that “Afghan Border Police mistakenly killed seven civilians who were collecting firewood near a checkpoint in the border town of Spin Boldak.” As reported in the press, the seven victims were from the remote village of Sortano, near the border. In an exchange remarkably similar to that which followed the Shin Noorzai killings, Raziq claimed they had been mistaken for Taliban infiltrators, while the Pakistani press reported simply that they were “Pakistani drivers” who had been killed over “old differences.”

Looks like he is an equal opportunity murderer (CHECK!)

The reality is that you have some mental issue and suppo
rt savage people. Taliban is stoning women to death, throw accid on women for going to school, amputating peoples hand, cutting noses and ears. And god knows what more.

Maaaan, you are angrrrrry LOL. I love it... I really enjoy going for the jugular when you are in one of your shill propaganda frenzies! Here is a nice tid bit about Hamida's personal involvement:

“We informed Karzai that we were aware of the incident in Spin Boldak and we considered that the evidence pointed to summary executions by [Raziq’s] forces, and that they had sufficient evidence of it to mount a prosecution,” Semple told me. “And he said something to the effect of ‘Abdul Raziq is a special case.’ The implication that I understood from that was that he was saying that Abdul Raziq was an essential ally against whom he was not prepared to take action, irrespective of the nature of the allegations or the evidence.”

For Semple, it felt like a watershed moment for impunity under the Karzai regime. “It wasn’t a case of ‘Everybody’s up to it, and only poor Abdul Raziq got caught,’” he said. “Whatever may be the sins of post-2001 security forces in Afghanistan, a propensity to indulge in multiple summary executions is not among them.”

Like that? Like how I cleverly showed the well documented evidence against Raziq and then pulled the finishing move on you by showing Hamida Bibi's complicity? I thought it was a nice way to finally CHECK mate!

No, he lost money hungry **** relatives who enriched themselves at the cost of the Afghan people. The only forsaken here are his dirty thieves Ahmad Wali karzai, former car salesman Hashmat Karzai and the whole lot of that sick minded clan.


May his noble family rest in peace. They sacrificed their life for the country. They dedicated their for the country. This is what I call true heroes.

Yeeeeah, one of them was a piss poor Car Salesman from Virginia who couldn't cut and decided he was the Afghan Scarface and had to own a lion (Hashmat the B-itch) and the other was a real opium lord and criminal (Ahmad Wali). Im sure they are roasting like hot dogs in Dosaagh since they really just sacrificed their lives for Mamon/Shaitan.


Quit singing your ridiculous swan song. Any discernign reader knows full well that the concept of criticizing murderous occupation that is extended by the likes of you is hardly condoning "war and famine" especially since all the anti war and famine measures find their ways into the pockets of drug lords and Rateb Popal and all your bosom corrupt scandalous moronic illegitimate unable to govern goons.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26747712


All facts says otherwise. Maybe you should pay less attention to your singing career and start educate yourself regarding Afghanistan.


You got the grammer wrong "genius" I said your swan song. You are like an Opera singer with this propaganda stuff... except loads of feces emanate from your mouth (i.e. bull-shi-t) instead of melodious music from the likes of Pavarotti

Are you really this dyslexic or are you playing coy? Its about as legitimate Dhiem or Maliki's government, barely able to sustain itself without sucking off the t-it of 70+ nations all the while lining bank accounts in Dubai


I've seen people like you, but I had to pay admission. If you haven't realized it yet. Afghanistan got 45 billion economy and it is growing. Everything in Afghanistan is basically heading the right direction.

Ahhhh, if only repeating a mistruth or fabrication made it true! Why then, you'd really be a success and not have built a failing government on life support. Karzai would really be a man and a leader and not a liar and a bas-tard and a killer twice removed.

LOOOOL. Riiiiiiight. Another swang song fabrication. You think this line of reasoning works with any discerning and educated reader who demands the burden of proof for any and all assertions instead of your idiotic "you live in the West" comment? Keep droning on Mr. 24 Hour Internet who thinks he somehow has the right to comment on the will and aspirations of the Afghan people and their right to be autonomous based on some hypocritical charge of being "Western."



http://worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/a...t=155&nid=&id=


90 % of Afghans have an unfavorable view of Taliban. Now stop your retardation and stop repeating 'don't impose your view on us' rhetoric.


Oh yeah, because public opinion surveys in a war region have really been shown to accurately reflect the populace's ideologies (sarcasm). On a practical level we can see how even "official" polling like that farcical election over there run by your pot-bellied corrupt as all get out moronic Kabul emigres has cost the worlds leading nations an extra multi million dollars just to recount, and you are bringing me some nonsense like this thinking we can take you seriously? You know that saying in school? "reach for the stars?" Based on your intellectual prowess man I think you need to redefine some realistic goals. I would say "reach for the low ceiling" is your best bet. But that ceiling has to be in a midget's house in a hobbit village.

Wrong again LOOOOOOL. Read Jon Sopko of CIGAR's detailed report for the US government regarding how stupid these Kabul government officials are and how insanely corrupt and inefficient their building projects are. Nice try to pin the tail on the Taliban, but the only donkey this tail gets pinned to is straight onto Karzai's ghetto a-ss:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...82d_story.html

And true to you and your dog washer colleagues, suddenly you guys decided that lying or trying to claim that someone of impeccable character like Sopko was lying???? LOOOL. Read the idiot Afghan government's attempts to deny Sopko's claims:
http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2013/05/11...money-rejected

Man, you should really give up the day time propagandist job and turn to comedy because I am laughing my a-ss off at your ludicrous "24 hour internet" boy commentary trying to defend this clown bas-tard Hamida Bibi.


http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2012/08/22...jwai-ring-road


Taliban destroy roads, bridges and other constructions. When the Afghan government or the coalition decide to build something, they have to take the entire battalion to secure the workers.

Ibid as per above. Once again, nice try but no other discerning reader here is ignoring Sopko's commentary linking it straight back to your inept governance. Great way to try and shift the blame.. classic move emulating Islamabad tactics.


Wrong again. Read about low resolution and high resolution weaponry. Assymetric war breeds these sorts of responses. In Vietnam, the Vietcong's approaches were also grounded in a massive assymetry and many innocent Vietnemese died. The real criminals are neither the taliban nor the Americans but people like yourself that cry foul and cry crocadile tears knowing full well that it is at your instigation and your own policies that such actions result in the fighting of a major assymetric guerilla war on Afghan soil.



The problem is, the guerrilla war don't need to be fought. It is the Taliban who is power hungry, who wants to gain power in expense of innocent civilian life.

Yet Karzai has to employ thugs to brutalize random people in Kandahar Raziq doesn't like... suuuuuuure. And yet we have the military A-Team leader himself clearly saying here:

“They’re venomously anti-American there,” one U.S. official says. “It’s always been that way. Sometimes our adversaries are the men and women of a community.”

http://feature.rollingstone.com/feat...special-forces

Yet somehow you and Haimda Bibi know better right Kabul CENTCOM?



Yeeeeeah LOOOOOL. The Washington Post and the NY Times and Rolling Stone and the Atlantic Monthly and Anand Gopal are all "liars" and bad reporters while you are somehow grounded in all knowledge and truth. Boy you are way out of your league and need to call in backup so that one of these other wataan foroshee types who works for Pajhwok or wherever combines a brain cell with your one existing one to somehow get you out of this rut because I can tell you right now that you are embarassing yourself.

You really think simply saying "They are not" is going to validate your obviously wrong arguments based on being a Kabul mouthpiece?



Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion.

Man, if in your limited (and boy do I mean limited) world I am stupid, then since intelligence delta between the two of us like 1000 IQ points with the gradient being higher in my direction, I would venture to say that you operate on the level of a Thalidomide Baby. The only special occasion here is the fact that I get to show everyone how Kabul CENTCOM is even more retarded than Tampa CENTCOM.

I am a Little girl, why are you so mean to me?

No, I have man parts, you have breasts and a vaginal vault.... so you are a grown woman. This means that since I treat all people equally, I wont let you off the hook that equally. Nice try to take the weaker gender vantage point. And why didn't you let all of us know you are a female beforehand? I mean what are you doing here? Trying to find a husband?

You're cherry picking news and give it a 180 degree turn so it fits your agenda. Maybe you can go around and fool the likes of 10 year old khushal boy, but facts will remain facts.

Yeeeeeeeah, says the guy that is fuming at the sources and called them propaganda before realizing it made his Kabul CENTCOM post look like a retard hut. Try again "genius" and go read the sources, otherwise, you are a waste of internet space.

Nice try genius. The article links are all there and youcan access them easily. What this amounts to is that you are unable to answer the arguments, or even answer the evidence, leading to your utter failure to even make a single valid point in this discussion.


I know you have problems with reading comprehension, but right now you're beyond stupid. Let me try to explain again. When you write inside a quote, one cannot quote you back. Which means I have to scroll down and up, and copy and past, than after I done that hundred of time, I can finally write the reply.

Dumb ass, its called reading the primary articles for yourself! That's what all educated people do when presented with a source. My lord, how handicapped are you?


Wrong again my deviant friend. Refer to the prior assessment we posted by the World Bank that shows the overwhelming abundance of the Afghan economy, oh some 90+% is based off the foreign largesse and not intrinsically or indigenously generated capital.

Here is again since you are playing propaganda games that no one here is even entertaining except perhaps as a good stand up comedy routine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/op...hallenges.html

Quote:
The numbers are staggering. According to the World Bank, an estimated 97 percent of Afghanistan’s roughly $15.7 billion gross domestic product comes from international military and development aid and spending in the country by foreign troops. The economy is already contracting as troops leave, and future growth will be slower, especially in urban areas and areas of conflict.
And even more hilariously, they cannot even pay their own government officials as the aid spigot dries up:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...dget-shortfall

Yeah, nice try to tell a bald-face lie.



lol, posting from 2012 news regarding the economy.

Its only gotten worse j-ackass LOOOOL. Here is a nice 2014 piece:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...9bd_story.html

Tssk Tssk Kabul CENTCOM, how will they ever give you your paltry paycheck with this state of affairs?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/af.html


Afghanistan got 45 billion PPP and will exceed 50 billion mark by the end of this year. The GDP is not only about export. It is rather about the circulation of the money. Which means the aid money add up to the GDP growth rate, but not the GDP it self. Which means with 50 billion PPP, Afghanistan will still be able stand even without the foreign forces. The departure of foreign forces will simply mean that the incredible around 7 % average growth rate that have been happening in the last few years will halt.

Yeeeeeeah, the donkey brays on and on, yet his own handlers tell the truth in the Washington Post:

If we do not receive extra funds in the next two months, we will face a problem with the operating budget, which is mostly salaries,” said Alhaj Muhammad Aqa, director general of the treasury at the Finance Ministry.

And the world bank according to the Post says, in 2014 terms:

Afghanistan will need more than $7 billion annually for the next decade to sustain a functional government, maintain infrastructure and fund the Afghan army and police, according to the World Bank.

I do hope that they take your assessment seriously and leave your a-sses high and dry to see who you sell out to next to generate that revenue. LOOOOOL. I mean since Karzai, Kabul has the best technocrat prostitutes foreign money can buy! High end escort services right buddy?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...9bd_story.html

LOOOOOOL. Child, you think you can fool all the people all the time? Man you need to go tell these jokes on Hollywood Blvd. Here is the reality:

Its people like government official Sadat's daughter and other clowns are getting sent abroad which is not at all a meritocracy. Its a Plutocracy.


And you forget that discerning minds look into the details. And what do the details show... well they show losses as opposed to gains. For instance, in the sector of going to school, karzai touts more women in school but never mentions the abysmal attrition rate that has nothing to do with Taliban:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/...6510U420100602




So you post a source from 2010...

Maybe should see what causes that. And guess what, Taliban mentality. The reason women cant get higher education is due to child marriage. You can thank Taliban for that mentality.

http://www.trustineducation.org/reso...-afghan-woman/


I am doing you a favor Hizbe Wahdat Fan, the 2014 assessments are even worse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...647_story.html


What causes such difficulties for Afghan women?

- Child marriage: More than 50% of Afghan girls are married or engaged by 12.
Almost 60% of girls are married by 16. Women activists say up to 80 percent of marriages in poor rural areas are either forced or arranged.
Most girls marry far older men — some in their 60s — whom they meet for the first time at their wedding.
A lack of security from three decades of war, and the risk of kidnapping and rape, has also prompted many families to force their young daughters into marriage.


Lemme guess... another "biased" source? That may work in Kabul my friend but in the real outside world you better suit up and put on your big boy britches and show your cards and evidence when making important arguments. Otherwise, you are, as I said, nothing more than the CENTCOM equivalent of a comedian.


If I am the comedian, you’ll be the joke

The joke is the intellectual output... but with the intelligence level mismatch between you and I, I would say you are operating on the level of "Knock knock who is there?" i.e. the Kindergarten level making it far less likely.

Nice try. The only person wasting time is me... but its mainly because I am enjoying showing observers how you technocrats have to rely on the typical charges of "Westernized and Propaganda" when you are backed into a corner and cannot answer for your inept leadership qualities and utter failures despite the support of 70 nations across a decade and a half.

Sh-it man, the Taliban had the support of 2 or 3 third world countries and even despite this you guys with 70 of the world's leading nations have produced a clown show in Kabul led by Hamida Bibi that has barely secured the countryside near Kabul and has had tenuous transient gains at best.



Your arguments are very easy to debunk, even a child would find no problem with that. That why I find this discussion waste of time. The only reason I am replying is because you want me to. I can’t disappoint a woman, can I?

LOOOOL, says the guy who calls Rollingstone, The Wash PO, and the NY TImes, and CIGAR, and Semple, and Harpers, and pretty much anyone that has written truth to power about Karzai as "propaganda" And from the likes of it, I would wager you have disappointed many, many, many plastic blow-up doll women and perhaps some men


Pakistan is also a farcical joke of a country defying the unity of our collective Pashtun people and also built on a foundation of a feudal system. It is a perpetually failed state that limps long as a the tar baby of developed nations. Only losers shoot to emulate failed states, and quiet frankly that is what Karzai is and that is where he spent quiet a number of years.


Pakistan is 700 billion dollars economy. With 600000+ military personal. Pashtuns would have long time ago departed from Pakistan if they wished. The thing is, they do not want to. Can one really blame them? I mean who heck want to join a population of 15 million ilitrate backward Afghan Pashtuns. So Pakistan have nothing to do with Pashtun disunity. The main problem is Taliban, who have kept Pashtuns in Afghanistan completely backward. In Pakistan, Pashtuns will soon even surpass Punjabis in literacy.

I think you just lost about 90+% of forum participants right there Khala. In what bizarro realm is Pakistan the way, the light, and truth? I especially like the green hi-lighted part since it sort of shows your rather distasteful view of our people. But what would one expect form a female Hazara Shamali hybrid?


Oh no, to the contrary, people are recognizing what a freak show he created and how much life, treasure, and blood he stole from the Afghan people to nourish his own ego. He bought all of this around on his own self. Like the zoot suited gopher he was, he burrowed deep into Mojadedi's rectal cavity inthe 1980s and then in the 90s he cemented his role as a back bench second string recruit for the Americans (its interesting since his own brother laughs about Hamida's being unable to tolerate working hard and washing dishes in their restaurant- so his character was already obvious from the get go). No no my comedian friend, Hamida has, by his own hand, bought about his own historical and reputation-wise destruction. He will forever go in the annals of Afghan history as the man that sold the land to the kharij for a paltry price.


He will forever be remembered as someone who brought Afghanistan back from stone age.

If you are product of his rule, I would venture to say we would need to edit that statement and note that he somehow took it back to even pre-primate age.

The important evidence based images from the articles are below regarding Raziq and Zik Kandahar's murders.