More post ZarbAzb failure

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

You are probably not used to people making you think(since most Pakis students just memorize things), and being to able to critically analyze a situation(hence your childish insults and name-calling), but most of us can see right through the nonsense, and when we do -- we call it out and say it how it is. The aforementioned is just one of the reasons why Pakistan is an element in the world's most backward nations subset.

Best,

Well sir,again same old mantra of cramming and pakistan backward and all this.Well sir i can tell you that even the kids in the west recently turned 21 like me won't be having a basic General knowledge regarding the world and i have the knowledge to shut up a 40+ mature man in geopolitical discussion.

perhaps the last time you to Pakistan were in either 70's or early 80's.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

as i know afg allow double citizenship
lots of refugees in europe from afg have afg citizenship and the country they live in
afg state dont let afghan people out from the afghan citizenship

Thanks for the confirmation,I said so because Pakistan has recently limited the dual citizen status to only 16 countries

[BarakzaiAbdali]

For the Bold part,we are not responsible but rather the elite of your side especially Abdur rehman khan.and if we by any mean are responsible do tell us how?Can you give up your American citizenship for Afghanistan?because as for as i know Afghanistan doesn't allow dual citizenship status if i am not wrong

This is not about citizenship in any of the istan states artificially carved out and created by the imperium - this is about common sense, humanity, and understanding one's own history and faith.

Your responsibility lies in the following misaal:

A white man comes to your house - he takes the chooka to you, your older brother, and your younger brother. He then gives each of you card board boxes and says: This is your house (Pakistan) to you, this is your house (Afghanistan) to your older brother, and so on and so forth.

He pays some local guys in the neighborhood some good money to make sure that you, your old brother, and your younger brother are all living, eating, moving your bowels only inside your cardboard boxes.

At some point, the three of you develop Stockholm Syndrome and you patriotically say: "I love my cardboard box it is the perfect house for me and I will defend it all costs!" And this is sad because deep down you know your rights and your dignity entitle you to freedom and with the unity of the three brothers, much more than the foolish situation you have allowed yourself to be exploited into.

That role of exploitation is: Local mercenary

Moreover, Pakistan does not work in isolation as a noninterventionist world power. It actually has in the past intervened in Saudi, Bengladesh, Bahrain, Afghanistan etc making criticism of its policies very very doable.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

They are already made public by ISPR itself



How?have talibs again got control of swat?otherwsie the ocassional terrorist activities happens throughout Pakistan and even india(Yes india by mere terrorist activities has surpassed even Pakistan in 2011)

Calling these high profile attacks, occasional is exactly what led to the issue in the first place: it is called operating in a state of denial


lol,why should they be allowed into the battlefield unless the area is cleared(Media was allowed when the Mirashah bazor was cleared)

Paul Refsdahl and other great reporters are constantly in the frontlines of battlefields putting their lives at risk and even interviewing the enemy. That is an absurd question when you know full well that the media across the world has clearly said their role would be to confirm that those killed are actually militants and perhaps also to confirm numbers and locations etc. I cannot believe you would slyly ask me such an incredulous question.

Well sir for ISPR/army only the concerns of Pakistanis matter and i can asure you that majority in Pakistan in the pashtun belt support the operation and this is something only concerns the establishment

Because they have been brainwashed by the establishment. As I said I have met NWFP Pashtuns who simultaneously called Benazir a great Muslim lady and Shaheeda and called Musharraf the savior of the nation. How the heck else does one reconcile this empirically except to note that these people are being bombarded with ahistorical garbage day and night. Even here in America, 70% of Americans were led to believe in nonexistent WMDs and that Saddam and UBL were bosom buddies. That does not legitimize the Iraq War 2 morally. You are grasping for even the moral low ground here

Well sir,I have repeatedly told you that i am not a blind patriotic.The part is even your own source's put the army as slightly lesser of the 2 evils(taliban/army).

This will explain everything

http://newsweekpakistan.com/north-waziristan-before-and-after-the-taliban/

Its a good article, but a sample size of 2 hardly is scientific. Additionally, irrespective of what they or others think it goes back to the Islamic jurisprudence issues I discussed clearly with Shahbaz that Pakistan claims to be following. It also goes back to the moral hazard of the operation itself and what bought the Taliban into existence in the first place. THis is exceptionally important because Pakistan has duped its people and yet left the supposed pathological basis of the "disease" purposefully untreated. Meaning it malignantly is destroying and taking life as a mercenary, nothing more and nothing less

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[HalloIsBack]

Haqqani Network terrorists not targeted in Waziristan operations

By Ghanizada - Mon Jul 21, 5:41 pm

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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan said Monday that the Haqqani Terrorist Network is not a target during the North Waziristan operations.
Ahmad Shekib Mostaghni, spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan told reporters that the Pakistani military has not taken any specific action against the Haqqani Terrorist Network militants.
Mostaghni further added that only Pakistani Taliban – Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) insurgents are targeted by Pakistani military during the offensive.
The Haqqani Terrorist Network has been accused of plotting and coordinating major terrorist attacks in Afghanistan.
The network is believed to be involved in nemrous terrorist attacks in Afghanistan, including the deadly Paktika bombing which left nearly 90 people dead.
Haqqani Network has also been accused of plotting a failed terrorist attack on Kabul international aiport last Thursday which ended with the elimination of the assailant militants only.
Afghan officials said the Haqqani Terrorist Network had plotted the attack together with Pakistan’s military intelligence – Inter-services Intelligence (ISI).
However, the Pakistani officials have said that all terrorist networks including the Haqqani Network militants are targeted during the operations.

http://www.khaama.com/haqqani-network-terrorists-not-targeted-in-waziristan-operations-6447

[Admin Khan]

Well sir,again same old mantra of cramming and pakistan backward and all this.Well sir i can tell you that even the kids in the west recently turned 21 like me won't be having a basic General knowledge regarding the world and i have the knowledge to shut up a 40+ mature man in geopolitical discussion.

perhaps the last time you to Pakistan were in either 70's or early 80's.

Conversations are never about shutting one or another up. Grow up, young grasshopper. Stick your head out of the ISPR rear, and learn to think for yourself. You remind me of Israelis with their IDF propaganda.

Best,

[hk1992]

I don't see how anyone can support the Pakistani army particularly if he calls himself a pashtun, all of Pakistan military operations in the last 14 years have bed in the pashtun tribal areas only targeting pashtun despite the myriad of Punjabi "millitant" groups operating in punjab and kashmir and the terrorist acts carried out by the MQM, the Pakistani establishment has never even contemplated carrying out military strikes on there own people, which they definitely don't see as pashtun's as they've resisted aNY pressure exerted on them to act against those groups. If you really are from Bannu I wouldn't be cheering the Pakistani army on so readily what happens after the Pakistani army turns North waziristan into a wasteland just like they'very done in the other agencies. America will never be satisfied they will tell Pakistan that the millitant have know escaped into the NWFP province hidden among the IDPS and when the bombs start falling on your own hometown as the Pakistani army comes along to bring you freedom and clear out the "millitants" it'll be too late then to do anything about it. BTW if you do claim to be pashtun your defending of Pakistans armies activities is the same as if a Palestinian went around supporting the Israeli war on Gaza everyone would consider him a complete traitor to his own kind and neither would anyone respect his opinion there are just some things you don't do as they are anathema to the nature of most normal human beings and you really are contradicting that natural law. The truth is that the Pakistani army are not the lesser of the two evils. How can one force that is financed and equipped by the West that promotes western ideology attack it's fellow Muslims whenever they demand it be a lesser evil then another group that is at least Islamic in its ideology.

[DSM0305]

I am not in the mood to discuss this topic, but I just want to clarify something. Just because somebody stop replying, it doesn't mean you have ''shut him up'', but rather that he is either:
1) tired of explaining something to someone who doesn't understand it
2) the person that is being discussed with, have no grasp of reality and haven't understood the topic
3) he is ignorant and just making things up

[gadoonwal]

This operation was carried out to kill pashtuns and send more ,,isi,,,terrorists to afghanistan.
They are successful in their mission.
Barakzai sb pls try to understand the ground reality .
Now punjabi talibsn are fighting in HELMOND.
rasheed punjabi is their leader.

[HalloIsBack]

Pakistan shifted Haqqani leaders to safe places ahead of Waziristan offensive

By Ghanizada - Wed Jul 23, 3:51 pm

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The Afghan intelligence – National Directorate of Security (NDS) said Tuesday that the Pakistani military offensive did not have any affect on terrorist networks including the Haqqani Network.
Haseeb Sediqi, spokesman for the National Directorate of security (NDS) told reporters that the North Waziristan operation did not have any satisfactory outcome since the offensive did not harm any of the terrorist networks.
Sediqi further added that one of the most important terrorist network – Haqqani Network remained safe from the offensive as the network leaders were taken to safe locations along with several leaders from other terrorist networks.
He said NDS has received information which shows that the Haqqani Network leaders were shifted to Kurram agency, Quetta, Karachi and even Islamabad.
According to Sediqi, the Haqqani Networks leaders, members and their equipments including weapons were taken to Kurram agency two weeks before the offensive was launched.
Sediqi said the Lashkar-e-Taiba and other terrorist networks also remained during the operation.
He said the Haqqani Network carried out a number of attacks with the help of Pakistani military intelligence – Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
Sediqi added that the deadly car bombing in Orgun district of Paktika province was one of the attacks carried out by Haqqani Network.

http://www.khaama.com/pakistan-shifted-haqqani-leaders-to-safe-places-ahead-of-waziristan-offensive-6460