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    The Fall of Iraq - What You Aren't Being Told




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    Iraq is descending into chaos, but not for the reasons you're being fed by the politicians and the mainstream media.


    In June of 2014 the world watched in shock as an Islamic militant group operating under the name of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (or ISIS), took control of Mosul, Baiji and Tikrit and began pushing south to Baghdad. Fallujah has been under their control since January.

    [Note they are also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant or ISIL]
    Iraqi military and police put up very little resistance in spite of the fact that they greatly outnumbered the militants. Most fled their posts and left their uniforms and weapons behind, those who didn't were killed.
    ISIS, whose stated goal is to erase the border between Syria and Iraq, to establish an Islamic Caliphate encompassing both countries, and to impose sharia law, already holds vast swaths of territory, and they are rapidly gaining ground.
    How did this happen?
    That's an extremely important question. How you answer it will determine what comes next, and not just in Iraq. That's why the media spin doctors and politicians are out in force attempting to rewrite history, and turning reality completely on its head in the process.
    For example we have people insisting this is happening because the U.S. and NATO failed to intervene in Syria.
    Well that's a convenient answer isn't it?
    The U.S. and NATO have been actively working to topple Assad by arming and funding the Syrian rebels since 2011. This has developed into a bloody civil war which has attracted Jihadists from all over the world. It has also created a vacuum of power which enabled groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Al-Nusra to organize and establish physical strongholds.
    The U.S. claims to only be arming the "moderate" rebels, however, the leadership of the Free Syrian Army (aka the FSA) has stated that they regularly carry out joint operations with Al-Qaeda and its affiliates. Up until recently ISIS was a branch of Al-Qaeda. In February of this year Al-Qaeda's official leadership publicly disavowed ISIS due to their brutal tactics. That's why ISIS is referred to as a splinter group. Furthermore, we know for a fact that the majority of the weapons and funding from the U.S. and its allies are ending up in the hands of Jihadists, and U.S. officials have been aware of this since 2012. But don't take my word for it, go read this article from the New York Timesyourself.
    Do the math folks. ISIS would have never gotten a foothold Syria if the U.S. hadn't weakened the Syrian government, and the weapons they are using right now... were most likely paid for with your tax dollars.
    But wait, this isn't just about Syria is it? It's also about Iraq. Which brings us to the other deranged narrative that is being promoted right now: that this chaos is unfolding because U.S. military withdrew prematurely in 2011.
    You see Iraq is in ruins and unable to defend itself, because the U.S. military left the party too early. It's not because the Bush administration and the mainstream media convinced the public that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was planning to use them. It's not because the U.S. invaded Iraq on these false pretenses, disbanding the Iraqi army and police, and reducing the country to rubble in an attempt to put down the resulting insurgency. No, it's because eight years of military occupation wasn't enough.
    To those who fought there, it's a punch in the gut to see your sacrifice was for nothing, but the occupation of Iraq was never going to end well, and the Bush administration knew that it wouldn't. But don't take my word for it. Let's take a look at this clip of **** Cheney from 1994.

    That was very astute ****. You accurately predicted the mess you were going to help create in 2003. I would even venture to say that your predictions were more accurate than those who warned against this adventure. I'm impressed.
    Now you'll notice that the talking heads of the left and the right are all trying to frame this crisis as the fault of the other side. They're both right.
    Both sides of the aisle have blood on their hands, and this goes way beyond Bush and Obama. The United States has been tinkering in Iraq for a long, long time. In fact it was the CIA that put Saddam Hussein in power in 1963. Don't take my word for it, go read this article from the New York Times.
    The U.S. government also backed Saddam in 1980 when he launched a war of aggression against Iran, even though they knew that he was using chemical weapons. But again don't take my word for it, go read this article by Foreign Policy magazine.
    Fast forward to 1990. Saddam Hussein was embroiled in a dispute with Kuwait over oil prices and borders and he was considering taking action. Given America's support in the war against Iran, Saddam had no reason to believe that Kuwait would be any different, but just to be sure, he decided to consult with Washington first.
    On July 25th of 1990 U.S. ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie met with Saddam Hussein. In the meeting Saddam described his case against Kuwait and told Glaspie that he viewed their activities as an act of military aggression. Glaspie responded by saying “We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait”, and she reinforced this by saying "this issue is not associated with America" Naturally Saddam interpreted this as a green light, and eight days later he invaded.
    Later, when questioned in hearings, Glaspie claimed that though this quote was accurate, she had followed it up by insisting that Iraq settle its dispute non-violently.
    However that's not what shows up in the transcripts of the conversation released by the New York Times. According to the transcript she said "All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly."
    But maybe this was just an innocent diplomatic blunder right? Well not quite.
    As soon as Saddam entered Kuwait the U.S. government launched a very interesting propaganda campaign to build up public support for a war. They claimed that Iraqi troops were slaughtering little babies by throwing them out of their incubators in hospitals, and they brought in teary eyed witnesses who testified to having seen the massacres.


    Just one problem… the entire event was fabricated. It never happened. This woman who presented herself as a witness was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States and her testimony was part of a public relations campaign organized by a company called Hill and Knowlton.


    Once public support for the war was strong, the incubators story was dropped, and never mentioned again.
    The U.S. invaded Iraq in 1991. During that war the U.S. military utilized approximately 640,000 pounds of Depleted Uranium ammunition. The Iraq was decimated, but the U.S. left Saddam in power.
    The war didn't ever really end though. The U.S. kept Iraq under a draconian sanctions regime that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children. Clinton kept those sanctions in place for the entire duration of his presidency, and they knew what was happening.

    You know how they say "those who don't know history are destined to repeat it"? That's really not an exaggeration.
    Fast forward to 2003 and the Kuwaiti incubator story was swapped out for stories of mobile missile silos and yellow cake uranium.
    And when it turned out that those weapons of mass destruction didn't exist, they acted like it was no big deal.
    Then of course came Obama, riding in on promises of hope and change. But we saw how Obama toppled Libya in 2011, leaving that nation in utter chaos. Gaddafi was then killed in a rather gruesome fashion.
    Before NATO brought down Gaddafi Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa. Now it's a perpetual war-zone. And of course we've seen how Obama has funded and armed the Syrian rebels in an attempt to bring down Assad.

    Obama is operating from the same playbook, and yes there is a playbook.

    Fortunately the future is not set in stone. We can influence the outcome, and we already are. We proved that in 2013 when both the left and the right dropped their petty bickering and unified against Obama's proposal to use airstrikes against Assad.
    The pattern of deceit was the same, but this time the people didn't fall for it. The fact that we had the U.N. investigator Carla Del Ponte come out to say that the Syrian rebels were behind the sarin gas attacks helped, the fact that Putin short circuited the U.S. diplomatically helped, but the determining factor was the popular resistance, particularly the signs of discontent from within the military. You see, the ruling class is very hesitant to take a nation to war if the people and the military strongly oppose it. That's why the first casualty of war is always the truth.
    What's going on in Iraq right now is horrific. ISIS is already committing atrocities against civilians on a massive scale. Inexplicably the Obama administration did not provide the Iraqi military with immediate air support even after the fall of Mosul. I say inexplicably, not because I support airstrikes, but because on June 12th, the U.S. Military conducted its second drone strike this month in Pakistan. Why would Obama refuse to act in Iraq when civilians are being massacred, while employing drones in Pakistan without hesitation?
    I'll tell you why. Because the outrage over the atrocities that the ISIS is committing may be enough to provide the U.S. government with a backdoor into Syria.
    You see It turns out that Obama is considering airstrikes, but not just in Iraq. He wants to extend those strikes into Syria as well. Well, that's convenient isn't it? Once the U.S. military is able to freely conduct operations in Syrian territory getting the regime change that they will be much, much easier.
    It's the classic formula Problem, Reaction, Solution.
    They created the problem, they are letting the public react and build up outrage, and then they are going to propose a "solution" that will sow the seeds for another generation of conflicts.
    To short circuit this pattern the public needs to come to terms with the cold hold hard truth.
    No matter what the U.S. does, and no matter how long they stay, there is no happy ending to this story. The chaos that we're seeing in this region is the direct result of half a century of U.S. military interventions and covert operations in the Middle East. It's time to acknowledge that bombing for peace doesn't work, regime change for stability doesn't work, and you can't fix a mistake by repeating it over and over.
    If the U.S. honestly wants to stop the spread of Islamic terrorism, then they should stop funding and arming Jihadists in Syria. That would be a good starting point don't you think?

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  • #2
    Iraq and Syria, in regards to their old colonial names and borders are forever erased. Afghanistan-FATA-NWFP, will also merge into the Islamic State. Under the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan. this could happen in 2 years.

    Jordan and Lebanon will fall, as will Kuwait. 2-3 years from now.

    Iran and Pakistan are the austere ones from the group. but Pakistan can fall in 5 years or so.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by کیش View Post
      Iraq and Syria, in regards to their old colonial names and borders are forever erased. Afghanistan-FATA-NWFP, will also merge into the Islamic State. Under the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan. this could happen in 2 years.

      Jordan and Lebanon will fall, as will Kuwait. 2-3 years from now.

      Iran and Pakistan are the austere ones from the group. but Pakistan can fall in 5 years or so.
      I hope for Pashtuns to unite once again. I agree with you on that!!

      But the rest is just an arabian dream. True Iraq and Syria is colonial projects, just like porkistan. Hope Iraq goes back to Iran and arabs move back to saudi arabia etc. But the Syria is a headache.
      To Paradise, with Pakhto, I will go.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by کیش View Post
        Iraq and Syria, in regards to their old colonial names and borders are forever erased. Afghanistan-FATA-NWFP, will also merge into the Islamic State. Under the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan. this could happen in 2 years.

        Jordan and Lebanon will fall, as will Kuwait. 2-3 years from now.

        Iran and Pakistan are the austere ones from the group. but Pakistan can fall in 5 years or so.
        I rather see the merger of pashtuns regions of Afghanistan into Pakistan though like fata having autonomous status
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        • #5
          Originally posted by کیش View Post
          Iraq and Syria, in regards to their old colonial names and borders are forever erased. Afghanistan-FATA-NWFP, will also merge into the Islamic State. Under the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan. this could happen in 2 years.

          Jordan and Lebanon will fall, as will Kuwait. 2-3 years from now.

          Iran and Pakistan are the austere ones from the group. but Pakistan can fall in 5 years or so.

          LOL Afghanistan will fall apart WAY before Pakistan does, in fact the Tajiks in Northern and Western Afghanistan are fed up already, the Uzbeks and Turkmens are now seeing a future in a pan-Turkic union and the Hazaras never felt Afghan so they might work for a small state of their own backed by Iran, that just leaves southern and eastern Afghanistan with around 10 million Pashtuns and they will be landlocked, so they will have to either depend on Shia Iran or non-Sectarian Pakistan, and at first they might resist Pakistani hegemony but then they'll realize economic prosperity is better than hostility, I don't see FATA or KPK ever merging with Afghanistan under present circumstances.
          Last edited by tripledouble; 07-02-2014, 11:20 AM.
          "I bow to no one, except ALLAH. I dont bow to punjabay, do not bow to kabulay and afghanay, do not bow to faujay and mullay, do not bow to asfandyarwalay and petty khanays...i am traitor to all of them." - Smartay

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tripledouble View Post
            LOL Afghanistan will fall apart WAY before Pakistan does, in fact the Tajiks in Northern and Western Afghanistan are fed up already, the Uzbeks and Turkmens are now seeing a future in a pan-Turkic union and the Hazaras never felt Afghan so they might work for a small state of their own backed by Iran, that just leaves southern and eastern Afghanistan with around 10 million Pashtuns and they will be landlocked, so they will have to either depend on Shia Iran or non-Sectarian Pakistan, and at first they might resist Pakistani hegemony but then they'll realize economic prosperity is better than hostility, I don't see FATA or KPK ever merging with Afghanistan under present circumstances.
            Well said. Afghan Pashtuns are much closer to Pakistanis (Sindhis, Punjabis, Pathans, etc) than to Tajiks for example, because Pashtuns are also from the sub continent.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tripledouble View Post
              LOL Afghanistan will fall apart WAY before Pakistan does, in fact the Tajiks in Northern and Western Afghanistan are fed up already, the Uzbeks and Turkmens are now seeing a future in a pan-Turkic union and the Hazaras never felt Afghan so they might work for a small state of their own backed by Iran, that just leaves southern and eastern Afghanistan with around 10 million Pashtuns and they will be landlocked, so they will have to either depend on Shia Iran or non-Sectarian Pakistan, and at first they might resist Pakistani hegemony but then they'll realize economic prosperity is better than hostility, I don't see FATA or KPK ever merging with Afghanistan under present circumstances.
              Just like Sindhis, Baluchis, Pashtuns, Gilgit Baltis, and Urdu-speaking people of Karachi never felt themselves as strong Pakistanis as Central Punjabis and their cousins in parts of Hazaras and Kashmir. Once the disintegration process triggers, it wouldn't remain limited to Afghanistan keeping in mind the nationalistic aspiration of different people of Pakistan not to mention Baluch who have been engaged for a long time in a militant struggle against the rogue Pakistani state for the liberation of Baluchistan unlike Hazaras of Afghanistan who have yet to decide.

              The Persian Gulf, broader Middle East, Gawadar, and great power rivalry in the Indian Ocean, East Asia, and Central Asia will play into this.

              Establishment of a Pashtun state is an inevitability that cannot be averted. Pashtuns on both sides are closer to each other than they are to Central Central Punjabis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by کیش View Post
                Iraq and Syria, in regards to their old colonial names and borders are forever erased. Afghanistan-FATA-NWFP, will also merge into the Islamic State. Under the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan. this could happen in 2 years.

                Jordan and Lebanon will fall, as will Kuwait. 2-3 years from now.

                Iran and Pakistan are the austere ones from the group. but Pakistan can fall in 5 years or so.
                As I asked that other forum jihadist here, I will ask you: tell me, oh jihadist, how exactly do you intend to contend with the rest of the world? Aside from Allahs magic of course. To clarify what I mean, let me briefly describe to you how world wars are won in the modern world: the Manhattan project. Well actually I don't need to tell you anything about it other than the fact that the minds behind it were not religious fundamentalists but the most eminent Physicists (and other scientists) of the day, as in folk with IQs well above Mensa's entry requirement. That included beings that I call "homo-superior", most prominently the cognitive mutant John Von Neumann (the child prodigy who began his formal study of real analysis at age 15, astonishing his teacher literally to tears in amazement; he went on to become one of the last of the scientific polymaths of the 20th century), for example. Do you think you jihadists will able to get that sort of population to work for you?

                The days where a horde of low IQed fanatics on camels with swords, inspired by the prospects of virgins in heaven, could make a difference in the world are gone forever my deluded jihadist friend. They are now talking about biological weapons like synthetic viruses (the first synthetic virus was created in 2002) and as a last resort, two non-Muslim nations on the planet have enough nuclear power to obliterate the entire Middle East several times over yet you jihadists think you are going to establish a world-wide caliphate that will include parts of Europe. You fools seem to have no idea about the true warfare capability of the technological world that tries to minimize civilian casualty. So tell me again, how exactly is it that you plan on achieving your global caliphate? Remember, Allahs magic is not allowed.
                Last edited by Herat; 07-02-2014, 04:57 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Herat View Post
                  As I asked that other forum jihadist here, I will ask you: tell me, oh jihadist, how exactly do you intend to contend with the rest of the world? Aside from Allahs magic of course. To clarify what I mean, let me briefly describe to you how world wars are won in the modern world: the Manhattan project. Well actually I don't need to tell you anything about it other than the fact that the minds behind it were not religious fundamentalists but the most eminent Physicists (and other scientists) of the day, as in folk with IQs well above Mensa's entry requirement. That included beings that I call "homo-superior", most prominently the cognitive mutant John Von Neumann (the child prodigy who began his formal study of real analysis at age 15, astonishing his teacher literally to tears in amazement; he went on to become one of the last of the scientific polymaths of the 20th century), for example. Do you think you jihadists will able to get that sort of population to work for you?

                  The days where a horde of low IQed fanatics on camels with swords, inspired by the prospects of virgins in heaven, could make a difference in the world are gone forever my deluded jihadist friend. They are now talking about biological weapons like synthetic viruses (the first synthetic virus was created in 2002) and as a last resort, two non-Muslim nations on the planet have enough nuclear power to obliterate the entire Middle East several times over yet you jihadists think you are going to establish a world-wide caliphate that will include parts of Europe. You fools seem to have no idea about the true warfare capability of the technological world that tries to minimize civilian casualty. So tell me again, how exactly is it that you plan on achieving your global caliphate? Remember, Allahs magic is not allowed.
                  It's not magic. It's called miracles.

                  Wars are not that hard to play, if you know how to play.

                  It's not going away. Nothing that happens, re-happens. Like what your complying with.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by کیش View Post
                    It's not magic. It's called miracles.

                    Wars are not that hard to play, if you know how to play.

                    It's not going away. Nothing that happens, re-happens. Like what your complying with.
                    Its all the same to an atheistic man of science such as myself. Ah my dear jihadist friend, as expected, you haven't the slightest clue about modern warfare -as can be inferred from your comment "wars are not that hard to play", that was true for the 7th century and it might be true for jihadist guerrilla warfare but read into either WWI or WWII and you will see how wrong you are jihadist boy.

                    Let us test these two hypotheses, your Islamist one against my interpretation of evolutionary theory. You see according to evolutionary theory, ethnocentrism is a part of human nature (if you want to see the literature that you certainly will be incapable of understanding, simply google "evolution of ethnocentrism"), alternatively for an excellent piece of synthetic literature on the issue within the context of international relations refer to "Darwin and International Relations: On the Evolutionary Origins of War and Ethnic Conflict" by Thayer:
                    http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-Interna...onal+relations

                    So you see, based on evolutionary theory, I hypothesize the following: the Middle East will balkanize along the lines of ethnicity first (the Kurds will not be the first Sunni peoples to reject your jihadism), and sect second (this is more contingent but the Arabs may balkanize along Sunni-Shiism). That "blood is thicker than water" is affirmed by evolutionary theory, its virtually a corollary of group selection and also subtly follows from kin selection, don't worry I won't bother trying to explain what that means to you. In short, I predict that human nature will triumph over Islam again and again as it has always done so throughout history (Islamists are surprisingly illiterate of the schism, ethnic and sectarian conflicts that imbue the history of the Muslim world). You, on the other hand, expect Allahs magic to do its trick like it is said in the magic books.

                    So let us see whether this tragic experiment in living corroborates the evolutionary perspective and therefore falsifies the Islamist worldview or not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                      Just like Sindhis, Baluchis, Pashtuns, Gilgit Baltis, and Urdu-speaking people of Karachi never felt themselves as strong Pakistanis as Central Punjabis and their cousins in parts of Hazaras and Kashmir.
                      Actually Sindhis are largely pro Pakistan like most Indic people, only the Hindus who are minority are part of separatist movements but as long as the Bhutto dynasty is alive, Sindhi separatism will be minimal, most Sindhis I know just identify as Pakistani.

                      Urdu-speaking people left India for Pakistan and they built Pakistan, their entire identity is Pakistan, I have many Muhajri friends in karachi and they all just idenitify as Pakistani, most actually hate MQM now but they support Musharraf(an urdu-speaker).

                      Gilgitis are Ismailis like Jinnah and they were commanded by the Aga Khan to endorse Pakistan, there are many Gilgitis in the Northern Light infantry and one of Gilgiti friends is in the airforce, I haven't met any Baltis yet but they aren't much different from Gilgitis.

                      Pashtuns are ethnocentric and they do have separatist elements but I think it's mixed, most Pashtuns as of right now don't care about Loy Afghanistan or whatever but they're the most likely to identify as Pashtun first.

                      The Baloch are obviously ethnocentric and many want secession but but they have divisions like Makranis and Brohis who would weaken their ranks, but obviously the Baloch rebellion is the biggest threat to Pakistan's survival.

                      I think if Pakistan can extract all the Oil,Gas and minerals from Balochistan quickly make a lot of $$$, seccesion for balochistan will be less desirable, because then they'll just be a barren wasteland like Mauritania.

                      The Persian Gulf, broader Middle East, Gawadar, and great power rivalry in the Indian Ocean, East Asia, and Central Asia will play into this.
                      Actually Gwadar was part of the Omani sultanate and then in 1958 Pakistan bought it from Oman, it was never part of the Kalat state, so even if Balochistan separates, Gwadar will be Punjabi territory, just like how Gibraltar is British territory despite being surrounded by Spain and most people in Gibraltar are Spanish.

                      So Gwadar will never be part of a hypothetical 'free' Balochistan, they gotta build a new port city lol, I don't think Punjab will ever sell it.


                      Establishment of a Pashtun state is an inevitability that cannot be averted. Pashtuns on both sides are closer to each other than they are to Central Central Punjabis.
                      Nobody can predict the future.
                      Last edited by tripledouble; 07-03-2014, 09:04 AM.
                      "I bow to no one, except ALLAH. I dont bow to punjabay, do not bow to kabulay and afghanay, do not bow to faujay and mullay, do not bow to asfandyarwalay and petty khanays...i am traitor to all of them." - Smartay

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Herat View Post
                        Its all the same to an atheistic man of science such as myself. Ah my dear jihadist friend, as expected, you haven't the slightest clue about modern warfare -as can be inferred from your comment "wars are not that hard to play", that was true for the 7th century and it might be true for jihadist guerrilla warfare but read into either WWI or WWII and you will see how wrong you are jihadist boy.

                        Let us test these two hypotheses, your Islamist one against my interpretation of evolutionary theory. You see according to evolutionary theory, ethnocentrism is a part of human nature (if you want to see the literature that you certainly will be incapable of understanding, simply google "evolution of ethnocentrism"), alternatively for an excellent piece of synthetic literature on the issue within the context of international relations refer to "Darwin and International Relations: On the Evolutionary Origins of War and Ethnic Conflict" by Thayer:
                        http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-Interna...onal+relations

                        So you see, based on evolutionary theory, I hypothesize the following: the Middle East will balkanize along the lines of ethnicity first (the Kurds will not be the first Sunni peoples to reject your jihadism), and sect second (this is more contingent but the Arabs may balkanize along Sunni-Shiism). That "blood is thicker than water" is affirmed by evolutionary theory, its virtually a corollary of group selection and also subtly follows from kin selection, don't worry I won't bother trying to explain what that means to you. In short, I predict that human nature will triumph over Islam again and again as it has always done so throughout history (Islamists are surprisingly illiterate of the schism, ethnic and sectarian conflicts that imbue the history of the Muslim world). You, on the other hand, expect Allahs magic to do its trick like it is said in the magic books.

                        So let us see whether this tragic experiment in living corroborates the evolutionary perspective and therefore falsifies the Islamist worldview or not.
                        No, buddy you don't know this topic very well. Where you living in a rock the last 13 years, because NATO clearly lost in Iraq and Afg/Pak. The strategy of Kill/Capture, troops surge, and overall of their COIN strategy has failed them.

                        This isn't even my opinion, it's the realities. You're post is filled with your opinion.

                        How are you a "man of science"? What's your credentials? How many sciences books have you read?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by کیش View Post
                          No, buddy you don't know this topic very well. Where you living in a rock the last 13 years, because NATO clearly lost in Iraq and Afg/Pak. The strategy of Kill/Capture, troops surge, and overall of their COIN strategy has failed them.



                          This isn't even my opinion, it's the realities. You're post is filled with your opinion.



                          How are you a "man of science"? What's your credentials? How many sciences books have you read?

                          Excuse me, but where from NATO suddenly appeared in this topic? What it has to do with the problem? - only that they created a situation to make this ISIS movement possible in here. No need to be a "man of science" to understand that ISIS doesn't have future as rulers of the world or even of the Iraq and Levant, to understand it one need to be just a "man with working brains and logic". And what I can see around is even local Sunnis are not happy with these ISIS and strongly against them. That much against that even supporting Kurdi Peshmerga.



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NiMade Olga View Post
                            Excuse me, but where from NATO suddenly appeared in this topic? What it has to do with the problem? - only that they created a situation to make this ISIS movement possible in here. No need to be a "man of science" to understand that ISIS doesn't have future as rulers of the world or even of the Iraq and Levant, to understand it one need to be just a "man with working brains and logic". And what I can see around is even local Sunnis are not happy with these ISIS and strongly against them. That much against that even supporting Kurdi Peshmerga.



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                            You're excused. But your friend mentioned that the superpowers know how to win wars. And I have politely proofed him wrong. Your friend also randomly said "Man of science" and I will like to see what he meant by that.

                            NATO didn't create IS but it just went with destiny had in store.

                            And once again,

                            If you have read every article related to IS in the last few months,, you would have read that they are getting popular with Muslims throughout the world.

                            Once again not even my opinion, but the realities.
                            Last edited by کیش; 07-03-2014, 03:01 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NiMade Olga View Post
                              Excuse me, but where from NATO suddenly appeared in this topic? What it has to do with the problem? - only that they created a situation to make this ISIS movement possible in here. No need to be a "man of science" to understand that ISIS doesn't have future as rulers of the world or even of the Iraq and Levant, to understand it one need to be just a "man with working brains and logic". And what I can see around is even local Sunnis are not happy with these ISIS and strongly against them. That much against that even supporting Kurdi Peshmerga.



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                              NATO/USA toppled the government and putted a Shia dominated one in its place, which in turn marginalized the sunni population. ISIS way to power was bound to happen thanks to NATO incapability to support a government both for sunni and shia.

                              I am no fan of ISIS, but one thing is for sure, if the international community doesn't interfere, then Syria and Iraq is bound to be under their control. Of course controlling landmass beyond Syria and Iraq would be impossible, unless of course there comes unrest in their neighbors as well.
                              Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.

                              People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.

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