The Fall of Iraq - What You Aren't Being Told

[کیش]

NATO/USA toppled the government and putted a Shia dominated one in its place, which in turn marginalized the sunni population. ISIS way to power was bound to happen thanks to NATO incapability to support a government both for sunni and shia.

I am no fan of ISIS, but one thing is for sure, if the international community doesn't interfere, then Syria and Iraq is bound to be under their control. Of course controlling landmass beyond Syria and Iraq would be impossible, unless of course there comes unrest in their neighbors as well.

What is NATO's special strategy to once again "beat" a "terrorist" organization? This way of thinking only leads to a lot of deaths, destruction, and poverty. There is no "right" way, or even a reality of a victory in the Levant.

[DSM0305]

What is NATO's special strategy to once again "beat" a "terrorist" organization? This way of thinking only leads to a lot of deaths, destruction, and poverty. There is no "right" way, or even a reality of a victory in the Levant.

Currently NATO cant do anything that could be considered humane or supported by the people. They missed their chance to change the country, when they first toppled the government. Now to be honest it kinda late.

Right now the only choice they got is to support formations of countries within Iraq/syria, to decrease the land ISIS can possible control.

[NiMade Olga]

You're excused. But your friend mentioned that the superpowers know how to win wars. And I have politely proofed him wrong. Your friend also randomly said "Man of science" and I will like to see what he meant by that.

NATO didn't create IS but it just went with destiny had in store.

And once again,

If you have read every article related to IS in the last few months,, you would have read that they are getting popular with Muslims throughout the world.

Once again not even my opinion, but the realities.

Actually he is not my friend, I noticed his posts just yesterday on this forum and liked the way he talks.

Then, I didn't say that they created IS but I told they created conditions which made this situation possible.

And one more thing. For me no need to know how other countries far-far away supporting the idea. Currently I live in Iraq and I'm writing what I see around and what I hear from Sunnis around (as I'm Sunni myself). I will see what foreign supporters would say being at this situation and how they will be happy with a Khalif who brings same rules for local habitants and who wants Muslim girls to become *****s for the khalifat army.


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[کیش]

Actually he is not my friend, I noticed his posts just yesterday on this forum and liked the way he talks.

Then, I didn't say that they created IS but I told they created conditions which made this situation possible.

And one more thing. For me no need to know how other countries far-far away supporting the idea. Currently I live in Iraq and I'm writing what I see around and what I hear from Sunnis around (as I'm Sunni myself). I will see what foreign supporters would say being at this situation and how they will be happy with a Khalif who brings same rules for local habitants and who wants Muslim girls to become *****s for the khalifat army.


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It doesn't matter for me where your from. You hold the opinion of mostly Sunni youth who were born Muslim, and have the basic knowledge of Islam. But needs to learn more about God, the Prophet's, the message. As does everybody has that responsibility

I don't give an opinion. Be safe

[کیش]

Currently NATO cant do anything that could be considered humane or supported by the people. They missed their chance to change the country, when they first toppled the government. Now to be honest it kinda late.

Right now the only choice they got is to support formations of countries within Iraq/syria, to decrease the land ISIS can possible control.

So what your saying is to recolonize those borders again? That's been beaten.

[NiMade Olga]

It doesn't matter for me where your from. You hold the opinion of mostly Sunni youth who were born Muslim, and have the basic knowledge of Islam. But needs to learn more about God, the Prophet's, the message. As does everybody has that responsibility

I don't give an opinion. Be safe

Dear brother, thank you for good wishes.
I'm not talking for all Muslim or all Sunni people, I'm just saying what exactly LOCAL people feel - those who are currently under ISIS control.
Besides that, Allah and The Prophet never told to give girls for sexual fun to soldiers even if they are fighting for Islam. What kind of Islam is this? Just only this is quite enough for me to say that these people are from shaytan. - Would you give your sister or mother or daughter to any stranger just like tis for use and abuse? No need to answer this, just try to imagine such a situation.


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[کیش]

US, Russia, And Iran are all in the country working towards a common cause. I thought they were real enemies? They're putting all that aside because they're real worried about this IS group with their bold statements and activities.

Men lie, women lie, realities are true.

[کیش]

Dear brother, thank you for good wishes.
I'm not talking for all Muslim or all Sunni people, I'm just saying what exactly LOCAL people feel - those who are currently under ISIS control.
Besides that, Allah and The Prophet never told to give girls for sexual fun to soldiers even if they are fighting for Islam. What kind of Islam is this? Just only this is quite enough for me to say that these people are from shaytan. - Would you give your sister or mother or daughter to any stranger just like tis for use and abuse? No need to answer this, just try to imagine such a situation.


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That's a legitimate concern. But those accounts are coming from bias sources from press owned and operated by the same countries who are fighting them. Of course theyll say stuff like that to curb support.

[NiMade Olga]

US, Russia, And Iran are all in the country working towards a common cause. I thought they were real enemies? They're putting all that aside because they're real worried about this IS group with their bold statements and activities.

Men lie, women lie, realities are true.

Russia was never enemy with Iraq. We are always partners in many ways, no matter what is the government.


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[DSM0305]

So what your saying is to recolonize those borders again? That's been beaten.

Do you know what colonize means?

[NiMade Olga]

That's a legitimate concern. But those accounts are coming from bias sources from press owned and operated by the same countries who are fighting them. Of course theyll say stuff like that to curb support.

Again I'm saying that this is what I heard from those who are from ISIS captured territories, not from media.


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[کیش]

Do you know what colonize means?

Do you know what I meant about colonizing, as in being in-charge of drawing borders for their (colonizer) favors?

C'mon man, read up on the early 20th century MidEast

[کیش]

Again I'm saying that this is what I heard from those who are from ISIS captured territories, not from media.


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I only believe something if I have seen it in person, or I've been there in a dream. I have been to Iraq-Syria front in a dream and accessed the situation, I know what's going on.

I don't have motive, alterior motives. All I'm saying is from my knowledge. I don't wanna see anymore killing/Deaths from this situation, but what has to be done, shall be done.

[Herat]

No, buddy you don't know this topic very well. Where you living in a rock the last 13 years, because NATO clearly lost in Iraq and Afg/Pak. The strategy of Kill/Capture, troops surge, and overall of their COIN strategy has failed them.

This isn't even my opinion, it's the realities. You're post is filled with your opinion.

How are you a "man of science"? What's your credentials? How many sciences books have you read?

No, you failed to understand my point, jihadist. There is a difference between fighting a guerrilla war against a half-hearted enemy, which according to many political analysts was never and is not really dedicated in the first place, and that is profoundly limiting its true warfare potential, predicated on the principle of keeping civilian casualty to a compromise minimum, and fighting an all out conventional war much less a world war, like you idiotic jihadists think you will be able to do. If NATO wanted to, all it would take is a few nuclear fusion bombs to turn every single breathing thing in Afghanistan to dust (this is actually what the Abrahamic God ordered the Israelites to do to some of their enemies). Or it could utilize a more sadistic approach and use chemical and biological warfare to turn the country into a living hell. They are not doing that because unlike you heart eating, low IQed jihadists, NATO is at least partly accountable to the civilized world. On second thought, Im not sure why you are bringing Afghanistan into this, I have no qualms with the average Pashtun resistance fighter fighting for his land and people; the Taliban are not international jihadists (as far as Im aware, they have no intention of going to war with anyone other than an occupying force nor are they trying to establish a global caliphate).

My credentials? Oh, I'm just a mildly gifted (I am a member of Mensa but I won't say any more) high school (sixth form) graduate about to enter medical school, who spends all his free time studying everything important. If I say any more, I'd be violating my precept of humility more than is necessary and besides, given the fact that you literally have been unable to grasp even the tenor of my previous posts, Ive now realized that discussion with you, as is usually the case with jihadists, is hopeless, and I think Ive had enough fun putting garbage in its place.

[DSM0305]

Do you know what I meant about colonizing, as in being in-charge of drawing borders for their (colonizer) favors?

C'mon man, read up on the early 20th century MidEast

How does it 'favors' them?