Hamid Gul says Abdullah best hope for Afghan peace

[TajikNationalistGER]

so your saying ghani lacks education. the guy has a phd.

it seems like you are the one who lacks education.

Phd is a big issue for you and your people?

[khushal]

a good education is knowing your people, not force shoving your own ideology down their throats. live and let live.

[TajikNationalistGER]

a good education is knowing your people, not force shoving your own ideology down their throats. live and let live.

True, but now you moves away from the message. Today, everyone can have a PhD. It doesn not mean you have a good education. Ashraf Ghani has PhD but talks like some kids from the 6th grade. Ghani´s current ''political career'' can be traced back to the Pashtun lobbies built by former ruling houses in UK, USA, Pakistan, India, Russia, Australia, Israel, Germany, France, Poland, Canada and New Zealand. Ghani is not the son of an ordinary Kuchi. His family came to Afghanistan with Nader Ghadar under the protection of the Brits, serving as a sub-commander for the Brits and the chief of battlefield of tribal Jaji, Mangal, Zadran and Shinwari army. Without those lobbies and the statue of his family Ghani would be today an ordinary Afghan with a standard Afghani education from any university of the country. Someone who has a sharp mind is Spanta, Bonyad, Shahrani, Tayyeb or Rahimi. Karzai has also his education from abroad and could be considered as ''educated'' but he no less speak like a 6th grade student. Maybe it´s only when they talk in Tajiki?

[25tajik75pashtun]

True, but now you moves away from the message. Today, everyone can have a PhD. It doesn not mean you have a good education. Ashraf Ghani has PhD but talks like some kids from the 6th grade. Ghani´s current ''political career'' can be traced back to the Pashtun lobbies built by former ruling houses in UK, USA, Pakistan, India, Russia, Australia, Israel, Germany, France, Poland, Canada and New Zealand. Ghani is not the son of an ordinary Kuchi. His family came to Afghanistan with Nader Ghadar under the protection of the Brits, serving as a sub-commander for the Brits and the chief of battlefield of tribal Jaji, Mangal, Zadran and Shinwari army. Without those lobbies and the statue of his family Ghani would be today an ordinary Afghan with a standard Afghani education from any university of the country. Someone who has a sharp mind is Spanta, Bonyad, Shahrani, Tayyeb or Rahimi. Karzai has also his education from abroad and could be considered as ''educated'' but he no less speak like a 6th grade student. Maybe it´s only when they talk in Tajiki?

lol you're full of crap, between ghani and abdullah, ghani is objectively the better choice for the stability and prosperity of afghanistan - abdullah will divide the country even further, cause more internal strife and once again we'll become the slaves of russians, iranians or pakis - take your pick. Let's not even get into the fact that ghani is an esteemed lecturer at western universities and has good economic reforms and policies, abdullah has what? A history of being the messenger of death, a warlord, a man who drinks wine with western officials and overall quite a dishonest man who lies about his heritage.

[TajikNationalistGER]

lol you're full of crap, between ghani and abdullah, ghani is objectively the better choice for the stability and prosperity of afghanistan - abdullah will divide the country even further, cause more internal strife and once again we'll become the slaves of russians, iranians or pakis - take your pick. Let's not even get into the fact that ghani is an esteemed lecturer at western universities and has good economic reforms and policies, abdullah has what? A history of being the messenger of death, a warlord, a man who drinks wine with western officials and overall quite a dishonest man who lies about his heritage.

According to you (but who are you?). But if Ghani wins (A BIG LOL), Hazaras, Tajiks, Balochis and Nuristanis will f** him and his government and send him back to Kandahar or to Paktika where Pashtuns can have their new capital. If Abdullah wins, Pashtuns will start to mess with us and the results will be the same and partition as the finale focus of this game. The poopy Uzbeks are in need of Pashtuns because of Atta, Ismail Khan, Mir Alam, Gulzar, Salangi and other Tajik power-men getting day by day stronger and expanding to more provinces.

There are also other players - Pakistan and Iran. If this case becomes reality, neither Iran nor Pakistan will allow a Talib or Ghani-led government. The Pakis just have started to unroot every tribal terrorist and Al-Qaida infiltrants and they won´t risk a fascist government in Kabul. They now prefere a government that doesn´t claim on any part of India. A government that will even back their existence. You remember what happened with Dawood in 1977? His own Pashtun loyalists with some Tajik Generals killed him and his families. Tajiks killed that pumpkin because he was a fascist and Pashtuns killed him because he wasn´t enough fascistic to non-Pashtuns and gave up to reclaim on west-India´s territory. Pakis learned alot. The war in Afghanistan has not started in 1977 but in the 20s. Just for the last 40years it is bloodier than ever.

[25tajik75pashtun]

According to you (but who are you?). But if Ghani wins (A BIG LOL), Hazaras, Tajiks, Balochis and Nuristanis will f** him and his government and send him back to Kandahar or to Paktika where Pashtuns can have their new capital. If Abdullah wins, Pashtuns will start to mess with us and the results will be the same and partition as the finale focus of this game. The poopy Uzbeks are in need of Pashtuns because of Atta, Ismail Khan, Mir Alam, Gulzar, Salangi and other Tajik power-men getting day by day stronger and expanding to more provinces.

There are also other players - Pakistan and Iran. If this case becomes reality, neither Iran nor Pakistan will allow a Talib or Ghani-led government. The Pakis just have started to unroot every tribal terrorist and Al-Qaida infiltrants and they won´t risk a fascist government in Kabul. They now prefere a government that doesn´t claim on any part of India. A government that will even back their existence. You remember what happened with Dawood in 1977? His own Pashtun loyalists with some Tajik Generals killed him and his families. Tajiks killed that pumpkin because he was a fascist and Pashtuns killed him because he wasn´t enough fascistic to non-Pashtuns and gave up to reclaim on west-India´s territory. Pakis learned alot. The war in Afghanistan has not started in 1977 but in the 20s. Just for the last 40years it is bloodier than ever.

Your understanding of history and the current political situation is very poor. The fact is that both contenders have multi-ethnic parties, with endorsements by figureheads from other ethnic groups. People supporting ghani or abdullah simply because of their ethnicity are complete hypocrites (meaning most of the voters are more or less uneducated hypocrites) seeing how ghani is supported by dostum (pashtun killer) as well as ahmad zia massoud - the same applies for abdullah who is supported by zalmay rassoul.

In my opinion though ghani is the better choice when it comes to keeping the country stable as well as improving the economy.

[Toramana]

According to you (but who are you?). But if Ghani wins (A BIG LOL), Hazaras, Tajiks, Balochis and Nuristanis will f** him and his government and send him back to Kandahar or to Paktika where Pashtuns can have their new capital. If Abdullah wins, Pashtuns will start to mess with us and the results will be the same and partition as the finale focus of this game. The poopy Uzbeks are in need of Pashtuns because of Atta, Ismail Khan, Mir Alam, Gulzar, Salangi and other Tajik power-men getting day by day stronger and expanding to more provinces.

There are also other players - Pakistan and Iran. If this case becomes reality, neither Iran nor Pakistan will allow a Talib or Ghani-led government. The Pakis just have started to unroot every tribal terrorist and Al-Qaida infiltrants and they won´t risk a fascist government in Kabul. They now prefere a government that doesn´t claim on any part of India. A government that will even back their existence. You remember what happened with Dawood in 1977? His own Pashtun loyalists with some Tajik Generals killed him and his families. Tajiks killed that pumpkin because he was a fascist and Pashtuns killed him because he wasn´t enough fascistic to non-Pashtuns and gave up to reclaim on west-India´s territory. Pakis learned alot. The war in Afghanistan has not started in 1977 but in the 20s. Just for the last 40years it is bloodier than ever.

Tajaks and Hazaras may be but not Baluchis and Nuristanis. Baluchis are a little minority in Pashtun majority south and the cooperation and contact between the two communities go farther south to Quetta and Baluchistan. Nuristanis are very much involved with Pashtun-inhabited areas and are even hosting some militant groups. Kabul cannot be a Tajak city. It will be heavily contested between Pashtuns, Tajaks, and Hazaras. May be in the end it becomes a city-state type with UN forces stationed.

[Loy Afghanistan]

@TajikNationalistGER

Listen brother! I hate those who divide our regions! I love all Iranian speaking people, those from ancient Persian provinces, to Parthian, Gedrosia and Pashtun soil Ariana.

Remember your ancestors fled from the barbarian savage Hellenise bacha baz and arab slave masters to settle and get shelter in Pashtun soil! Just ask any high scholar language expert or historian farsiwand you want, from Iran, Tajikistan or Afghanistan, even in Europe you can find these professors, Ph.D expert usually native Farsiwands, their own words and research will provide with the evidence you need. With internet you only need one email letter and wait for answer.

After their answer If you are still not happy on Pashtun land, you can pack your stuff and move back to the Iranian plateau, because brother, Pashtun land is not for sale nor can be taken until a single Pashtun can breath on this universe.

Just like I want former Hindus in the british project porkistan to unite with their motherland Hindustan to unite families and 99 % peaceful people who don't give a damn about ethnicities, politics, but want food, shelter, justice, and education because 99 % of Hindustan people have similar culture traditions same with majority of the native Iranian speaking people.

It is the 1-2 % elites that use majority as pawns in these divide and rule games.


PS! About abdullah and ghani, both of them are 100% thugs, the frog eyed one is a low life thug the other a world bank thug. World bank most disgusted organisation who wants privatising water to use it more against the weak and the poor. Grana wroor, you will find all of my facts on major trustworthy sources, if you are open minded and intelligent, you will find the logical way as I do.

[25tajik75pashtun]

@TajikNationalistGER

Listen brother! I hate those who divide our regions! I love all Iranian speaking people, those from ancient Persian provinces, to Parthian, Gedrosia and Pashtun soil Ariana.

Remember your ancestors fled from the barbarian savage Hellenise bacha baz and arab slave masters to settle and get shelter in Pashtun soil! Just ask any high scholar language expert or historian farsiwand you want, from Iran, Tajikistan or Afghanistan, even in Europe you can find these professors, Ph.D expert usually native Farsiwands, their own words and research will provide with the evidence you need. With internet you only need one email letter and wait for answer.

After their answer If you are still not happy on Pashtun land, you can pack your stuff and move back to the Iranian plateau, because brother, Pashtun land is not for sale nor can be taken until a single Pashtun can breath on this universe.

Just like I want former Hindus in the british project porkistan to unite with their motherland Hindustan to unite families and 99 % peaceful people who don't give a damn about ethnicities, politics, but want food, shelter, justice, and education because 99 % of Hindustan people have similar culture traditions same with majority of the native Iranian speaking people.

It is the 1-2 % elites that use majority as pawns in these divide and rule games.


PS! About abdullah and ghani, both of them are 100% thugs, the frog eyed one is a low life thug the other a world bank thug. World bank most disgusted organisation who wants privatising water to use it more against the weak and the poor. Grana wroor, you will find all of my facts on major trustworthy sources, if you are open minded and intelligent, you will find the logical way as I do.

It's quite the opposite actually, pashtuns used to inhabit FATA, KPK and the suleiman mountains and over time (recent time actually) spread into places like kandahar, farah, and the center-north east of afghanistan via migrations.

Pashtuns used to be former hindus as well remember that well not to mention that pashtun lands (i.e. along the border) are host to tons of old hindu and buddhist relics, a lot of which have yet to be dug up.

The most explicit mentioning of the Afghans appears in Al- Baruni’s Tarikh Al-Hind (eleventh century AD). Here it is said that various tribes of Afghans lived in the mountains in the west of India. Al Baruni adds that they were savage people and he describes them as Hindus

[Loy Afghanistan]

@TajikNationalistGER

Seems, you don't want research or dialoge but have blindly accepted Pashtuns as Hindus or buddisht even tho Avesta, Zoroaster skripts, and most of Sanskrit is written in Ancient Pashtun langauge. Funny guy you are.

Go back to school and learn history from a educated person.

[25tajik75pashtun]

@TajikNationalistGER

Seems, you don't want research or dialoge but have blindly accepted Pashtuns as Hindus or buddisht even tho Avesta, Zoroaster skripts, and most of Sanskrit is written in Ancient Pashtun langauge. Funny guy you are.

Go back to school and learn history from a educated person.

Perhaps you were referring to me?

Why do you deny our history? We were most definitely either hindus or buddhist before islam.

Sanskrit is not an ancient pashtun language, sanskrit is the language from which many other languages came from - including pashto. Avestan is also more closely related to farsi than it is to pashto.

The earliest written records of pashto in writing appeared in the 16th century.

[TajikNationalistGER]

Your understanding of history and the current political situation is very poor. The fact is that both contenders have multi-ethnic parties, with endorsements by figureheads from other ethnic groups. People supporting ghani or abdullah simply because of their ethnicity are complete hypocrites (meaning most of the voters are more or less uneducated hypocrites) seeing how ghani is supported by dostum (pashtun killer) as well as ahmad zia massoud - the same applies for abdullah who is supported by zalmay rassoul.

In my opinion though ghani is the better choice when it comes to keeping the country stable as well as improving the economy.

All these multi-ethnic parties have no meaning. It´s just external politics of the different parties who were engaged in the past to kill eachother and still do in the rural areas (Kapisa, Baghlan, Kunduz, Parwan, Adraskan and Shindand (Herat), Paghman and Sorobi (Kabul), Baraki Barak (Logar) and so on.
As you mention, Dostum is a Pashtun killer, so Mohaqeq, Sarwar Danesh, Ismail Khan, Alam Mir, Gulzar, Hazrat Ali of Jalalabad and many more. Once these election is over things will turn back to their old paths. Do you think that the Dostum fraction will allow you to undermine their interests? Their choice to join Ghani was because of Atta and Mohaqeq. Both backstabbed them. But as history teached us, a common enemy always put different thinks into the melting pot.
Ordinary Uzbek, to be honest and talk about my experiences I have had with Uzbeks in Germany and Netherland, do stricly dislike Pashtuns. For them, Pashtuns are like Paryas of India. Not welcomed or accepted. Have you asked yourself why Dostum could not bring 3 mio votes to Ghani also he many times promised this on many occasions? Because majority of Uzbeks are Jamiatis or anti-Dostum. Many of them just haven´t voted.
Among Uzbeks, there are alot of devision and most of the times it is old Junbesh cadre vs sub-groups or the young Junbish cadre or Islamists vs socialists/nationalists.
Afghanistan is an ethnic-structured country with very and many different identities and people. Tribal people and un-tribal people. Backward oriented people and moderate people. Islamists and Muslims. Socialists, democrats and tribalists. 85% of Pashtuns voted for Ghani, 90% of Tajiks voted for Abdullah, 60% of Uzbeks voted for Ghani, 80% of Hazaras voted for Abdullah, 60% or even more of Nuristanis voted for Abdullah.

Who is Zia? Zia has not even in his own village enough supporters. Zia is neither a political figure-head of Tajiks nor does anyone sees in him such a person. He is a clown. He was used by Mohaqeq and Dostum to propagate a North vs South ideology. He is the son-in-law of Rabbani and yet he is ousted from Jamiati or Tajik parties. Even his family members dislike him. You can have him.

Who is Mohammd Khan? He could not even bring Abdullah 5% of supporters. Jamiatis of Pashtun background did all the good job in the south. That´s why Abdullah has ca. 700k less votes than Ghani, compared to the first round when he had only 25% of the votes. A huge improvement.

[TajikNationalistGER]

Tajaks and Hazaras may be but not Baluchis and Nuristanis. Baluchis are a little minority in Pashtun majority south and the cooperation and contact between the two communities go farther south to Quetta and Baluchistan. Nuristanis are very much involved with Pashtun-inhabited areas and are even hosting some militant groups. Kabul cannot be a Tajak city. It will be heavily contested between Pashtuns, Tajaks, and Hazaras. May be in the end it becomes a city-state type with UN forces stationed.

Do you have ever asked a Baloch politician or a ordinary Baloch what he thinks about his lands in southern Afghanistan? Balochis are a minority in southern Afghanistan, but so Pashtuns in south-western Afghanistan and you can bet your cat that Balochis are very tough fighters. They already want to make Nimruz as part of their country. The Pashtun population there will either become Balochis or will leave.
Balochis and Pashtuns may be neighbours but they are also bloody rivals. In Pakistan, ''Pashtuns'' under the command of Islamabad slaughter their civilians and you think the Afghanistani Balochis don´t know this or that their province is filled with insurgents who are Pashtuns?
It is not about being a minority or majority. The question is if it comes to a battle, how fast you are able to mobilize the people. 15 000 Hazaras in the 90s were powerful enough to kill, loot and rob Pashtuns in Kabul and eastern parts. They were even more powerful than Gulbuddinis.
It was never a question of being majority or minority. Otherwise savage and mobile people could never conquer civilisations with millions of population (Mongols - China, northern and central India, Central Asia; Turks - Byzantine Empire, Central Asia, India; Yusufzai savage-men from mountains - Swat valley etc). Another reason is that there is yet not a defined battlefield, a war zone, that people could focus on. But this will become reality in the next years, when Balochis start their defensive operations in Nimruz and beyond this region. Being organized and prepared for the worst case is everything.

In my family we have one Nuristani aunty. Believe me if I tell you that Nuristanis are just poor un-armed civilians. Their opinion about Pashtuns are not that dfferent than what Hazaras, Uzbeks, Balochis or the neo-Tajik generation has. They are tired of a tribal government led by Pakistan-friendly pro-Talib government. To know what Nuristanis think about you just visit their forums, their Jirgas and read their comments on Facebook.

Kabul was and is a Tajik city and a Tajik province. We dominate in this region everything. Televisions, radios, supply routes, the market, the ministries, the army, the police. We make up the bulk (62%) of this region. If it should come to a war, it will be a very easy game to end it. We are not stupid to believe post-2001 Afghanistan will be different than 90s once NATO leaves. We have prepared everything and are ready for any danger coming from Pakistanis. If you visit Kabul, you will clearly see how Pashtuns have moved from western and northern parts to the eastern parts just to be able to leave the province as fast as possible if war should break out. We don´t see Hazaras as aliens in Kabul. They are our Hamzaban and to 50% as our Hamtabar, Hamfarhang. Don´t worry about this, this will be our business, my friend. We are not that stupid as you imagine. For the case Hazaras betray us we have still some Gulbuddinis and Itehadis as allies. Alot of crazy Shamali commanders and radical new troops. Hazaras are in Kabul because in their own homelands there they live under bad coditions. Once the new government improve them there, they will leave it. Free space for Formulis, Sayyids, Qizilbashs, Kandahari Tajiks, Urguni Tajiks, Khosti and Kunari Tajiks to move to western Kabul.
Of course, Tajikfied ''Pashtuns'' are welcomed to stay in Kabul and help us to protect it. Becoming part of us. Becoming Tajiks, Hazaras or Uzbeks.

[Toramana]

Do you have ever asked a Baloch politician or a ordinary Baloch what he thinks about his lands in southern Afghanistan? Balochis are a minority in southern Afghanistan, but so Pashtuns in south-western Afghanistan and you can bet your cat that Balochis are very tough fighters. They already want to make Nimruz as part of their country. The Pashtun population there will either become Balochis or will leave.
Balochis and Pashtuns may be neighbours but they are also bloody rivals. In Pakistan, ''Pashtuns'' under the command of Islamabad slaughter their civilians and you think the Afghanistani Balochis don´t know this or that their province is filled with insurgents who are Pashtuns?

My friend, I have no issue with your being a Tajak nationalist; the only issue I have is when you blow it out of proportion due to your excessive Pashtun-targeted Tajak nationalism. Although, Baluch nationalists may be making claims to some of the lands in the Pashtun South and those claims should be accepted if genuine but to say that there is active rivalry/conflict going on between the two communities is just exaggeration.

Rest, as for some FC as the foot-soldiers of the central govt of Pakistan working against Baluchis, Baluch know who the real enemies are. On a general level, Baluch and Pashtun sentiment match.

It is not about being a minority or majority. The question is if it comes to a battle, how fast you are able to mobilize the people. 15 000 Hazaras in the 90s were powerful enough to kill, loot and rob Pashtuns in Kabul and eastern parts. They were even more powerful than Gulbuddinis.
It was never a question of being majority or minority. Otherwise savage and mobile people could never conquer civilisations with millions of population (Mongols - China, northern and central India, Central Asia; Turks - Byzantine Empire, Central Asia, India; Yusufzai savage-men from mountains - Swat valley etc). Another reason is that there is yet not a defined battlefield, a war zone, that people could focus on. But this will become reality in the next years, when Balochis start their defensive operations in Nimruz and beyond this region. Being organized and prepared for the worst case is everything.

Again I say it is just exaggeration, an effort to foment a broad alliance against the perceived foe/enemy. I don't think it is a healthy thinking or even a realistic assessment of the situation and prognosis of the possible scenarios.

In my family we have one Nuristani aunty. Believe me if I tell you that Nuristanis are just poor un-armed civilians. Their opinion about Pashtuns are not that dfferent than what Hazaras, Uzbeks, Balochis or the neo-Tajik generation has. They are tired of a tribal government led by Pakistan-friendly pro-Talib government. To know what Nuristanis think about you just visit their forums, their Jirgas and read their comments on Facebook.

Again misrepresentation or misinterpretation of the situation. The local Nuristanis have extensive Ahli-Hadith/ Wahabi influences and that is the reason Nuristan is where there has been the strongest resistance to central govt control and support for militant leaders. Of course there may also be sophisticated Nuristanis interested in Kabul Urban environment and having the tendency to say such things for political reasons. By the way, I also know a few Nuristani very religious families of whom some have married into Arabs due to the Ahli-Hadith connection.

Kabul was and is a Tajik city and a Tajik province. We dominate in this region everything. Televisions, radios, supply routes, the market, the ministries, the army, the police. We make up the bulk (62%) of this region. If it should come to a war, it will be a very easy game to end it. We are not stupid to believe post-2001 Afghanistan will be different than 90s once NATO leaves. We have prepared everything and are ready for any danger coming from Pakistanis. If you visit Kabul, you will clearly see how Pashtuns have moved from western and northern parts to the eastern parts just to be able to leave the province as fast as possible if war should break out. We don´t see Hazaras as aliens in Kabul. They are our Hamzaban and to 50% as our Hamtabar, Hamfarhang. Don´t worry about this, this will be our business, my friend. We are not that stupid as you imagine. For the case Hazaras betray us we have still some Gulbuddinis and Itehadis as allies. Alot of crazy Shamali commanders and radical new troops. Hazaras are in Kabul because in their own homelands there they live under bad coditions. Once the new government improve them there, they will leave it. Free space for Formulis, Sayyids, Qizilbashs, Kandahari Tajiks, Urguni Tajiks, Khosti and Kunari Tajiks to move to western Kabul.
Of course, Tajikfied ''Pashtuns'' are welcomed to stay in Kabul and help us to protect it. Becoming part of us. Becoming Tajiks, Hazaras or Uzbeks.

Once the war breaks out, it has its own dynamics. Let us see what alliances build and which break-up. When there is war for turf, I am sure it wouldn't be that nice and brotherly as you are expecting and painting it to be.

By the way I have no issue with your claims over the provinces up-north but Kabul is a shared city for all and should stay as that. But let us hope things don't boil to that degree and all Afghans live in peace.

[TajikNationalistGER]

If tomorrow Pakistan fall apart, do you want Quetta being part of Balochistan or ''Pashtunistan'' or an urbane center for all sides? ...Your Pashtun brothers have a reason to claim Quetta as a Pashtun district. So we Tajiks have our reasons. Once new states are on the merge, people don´t care who lives in. Majority make the law. The Kurds are owning Kirkut in Irak because they form 65% of the population, also relatively new-comers to the city. Let´s stay straight to eachother