Tribal Pakhtuns should be given treatemnt of Red indians: Javed ghamdi (paki scholar)

[afghan]

This is your beloved country why should we care, in bitter times when we were the most in need of help they send us terrorist and sided with Punjabis against their own brothers, and now Punjbies want to do this how surprising, and this Paki Pathas also wanted that Pshtun areas of Afghanistan should also join thme lol.

you must be from mars. lol.
this is the same state playing with pashtun lives on both sides of the durand line. We cannot elect our pashtun as president and rule withouta fair from Panjsher. no one is asking you to go and blow yourself up to save pashtun.
this guy doesn't even use the word pathan as he consider them more civilized. he uses the word afghan for pashtun tribes.

[randolph85]

it seems his sentiments are really no different from that of the state where non urban pashtun's are not considered as citizens but outsiders. its the land that the state covets, not the people that come along with it.

[Shah-i-Kot]

This man is from the same cloth as Fazl of JUI-F, the "religious scholar" who sold himself to American interests (Wikileaks) in a hopeful attempt to get their tacit backing for a PM spot.

Their claims of being pious are interesting.

Fazl opposes peace talks, and raises non-issues in an attempt to derail them. He also has met Karzai, and was proud to.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-29580-Transition-reconciliation-should-precede-troops-withdrawal-Fazl

[Shah-i-Kot]

it seems his sentiments are really no different from that of the state where non urban pashtun's are not considered as citizens but outsiders. its the land that the state covets, not the people that come along with it.

There is a media campaign to support this perception of Pashtuns as backwards. The psychological reason for this is to brush aside the fact that Pakistan has made billions of dollars of the NATO supply routes for the US/NATO war in Afghanistan, and the permitted drone strikes in FATA.

[Shah-i-Kot]

The biggest problem is that Pakistani establishment has misused the tribals areas since the beginning. They have never let the area develop on purpose, this has been their policy. The injunction of war, terrorism in the area has certainly been the fault of Pakistani establishment/ISI, who have used the tribal people for their benefit, whenever there was war. Even in 1948, it was tribal people from Fata who took (Azad Kashmir) from Indians. Pakistani ISI policy has made the whole region turn in to a War zone and they are the only ones too blame.

Pakistan support for the US/NATO war in Afghanistan (with NATO supply routes) is what has brought instability to Afghanistan and the region in general.

Nato supply routes are not coming from Delhi, Tehran, Beijing, or Tel Aviv, but from Islamabad and Rawalpindi.

Supporting a foreign intervention/war in a neighboring country, generally will result in instability. One doesnt need to think this one deeply.

[Smarty]

it seems his sentiments are really no different from that of the state where non urban pashtun's are not considered as citizens but outsiders. its the land that the state covets, not the people that come along with it.

They use term ilaqa e ghair, the land of foriegners, for FATA.

[Khostai]

you must be from mars. lol.
this is the same state playing with pashtun lives on both sides of the durand line. We cannot elect our pashtun as president and rule withouta fair from Panjsher. no one is asking you to go and blow yourself up to save pashtun.
this guy doesn't even use the word pathan as he consider them more civilized. he uses the word afghan for pashtun tribes.

Pansjer days are over, they only had power in the last couple of years due to US and western backing, but they also had enough of them and soon you will see the end.

So what if he uses the word Afghan? We all know who he means by it, Pathan Pakhtun or Afghan its all the same for them, they dont even make a difference between them.

[Badlun]

As I write elsewhere we should learn from our enemies. This is an opportunity that we may reform ourselves so people do not have an excuse to label us in such a horrendous way. Why he does not talk about others in this way why about Pashtuns?

Let us see what are our problems and how can we solve them

A SHORT LIST OF THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES IN PASHTUN AREAS AND SOCIETY

Terrorism ,Religious Extremism, Violence ,Insurgency ,Suicide bombings, Abundance of Madrassas and Tablighis, Male chauvinism, Law and order issues, Absence of security , Ignorance, Intolerance towards others, no Democracy , Radicalization of Pashtuns, Obscurantist trends, No Education, Plight of women, the rule of Mullah and Taliban, No commercial and industrial activities, no Scientific and technological development, no Nobel Prizes, no Advancement of knowledge , Literature , natural/social sciences and philosophy, Almost no Inheritance for women, Almost no women Education, Burqa and veil curse ,Low social status of Pashtun specially in non Pashtun areas like Karachi , Emirates etc, tribal system, health issues, family planning, big families, poverty, no official status of Pashto in practice, no good news papers of Pashto , No reading and writing of Pashto language, some bad customs in Pashtunwali and Pashtun way of life , proverbial innocence, tenacity, war like nature , belligerence, stubbornness etc of Pashtuns , no excellent media, smuggling, drug trafficking, agricultural problems, land distribution system , political distribution in two countries and many provinces within Pakistan and Afghanistan and many other social, economic, political, religious, economic and educational issues.

After identifying some of the main problems and issues of Pashtuns and their society, now I shall very briefly talk about the causes of all these problems.

One can imagine easily that problems are always a vicious circle. One problem generates another and the snowball effect magnifies the volume and size of the predicament. For example lack of modern education causes problems like religious extremism, obscurantism, terrorism etc and these problems cause lack of opportunities for imparting and receiving modern education.

Similarly no official status of Pashto language making its writing and reading difficult and scarce but no reading and writing of Pashto by almost 70 millions of Pashtuns make this language deprived of any official status. Some bad customs in Pashtun society, tribalism, and stubbornness of Pashtuns make them ignorant, uneducated and ignorance and no education make Pashtuns more tribal and stubborn.

Simple conclusion is that one problem become cause of the other and what’s important is breaking this vicious circle on all fronts and making Pashtuns a modern, prosperous, progressive, well educated and developed people.

Now coming to the most important part, how can we solve all these problems and issues?

My solution as always is based on self observation, self critical, self improvement, reformation, education, change, development, renaissance, renovation, reorganization, restructuring, overhaul, and rectification NOT BLAMING OTHERS. Even if Pashtuns are sure that my this very problem is because of Punjabis, USA etc, they should not concentrate on blaming them, but should retrospect their own selves that why Punjabis is doing such and such with us. Why we become prey to their hunting. How can we make ourselves strong enough that they may not dare to harm us?

[Smarty]

Laskar e jangvi of "civilized" punjab also behead shias. Few months ago shias of muharam jaloos in pindi surrounded a deobandi mosque and beheaded madrassa kids inside it
this beheading videos were introduced by uzbeks and they are not tribal people.
This should be eye-opener for paki pakhtuns...when they are in troube ,they would ask you for your sacrifices and cooperation in the name of pakistan and islam but when you are suffering, they would maintain their distance from you.

[afghan]

Pansjer days are over, they only had power in the last couple of years due to US and western backing, but they also had enough of them and soon you will see the end.

So what if he uses the word Afghan? We all know who he means by it, Pathan Pakhtun or Afghan its all the same for them, they dont even make a difference between them.

exactly, then why do we feel different from another pashtun, we are treated equally by our enemies. they don't see any difference. but we want to alienate our bothers.

[gadoonwal]

The tribal pashtuns are not even colonised but in fact a base for terrorism.
In colony people still enjoy some freedom and have rules.
In tribal area pashtuns are used against eachother.
The tribal pashtuns can not vote
have no schools,hospital and you name it.
Pakistan brought terrorists from all over the world and trained them there to destroy afghanistan to colonise afghanistan.
Hamid Gul is the chief of terrorists camps in tribal area and all over pakistan.
I think this suffering of pashtuns and afghanistan will continue untill punjabis free kashmir with pashtuns arms.They can not fight indians and pashtuns can be hired.It is fact.Mr Ghamdi and many others can continue there bs in media cus media in pakistan owned by ,,isi,,.
These are paid ,,isi,,agents promoting their agenda.
Pashtuns are not even the citizens of pakistan but prisoners.
The pakistan media,govt and system hate pashtuns .They think pashtuns are like dogs and can be used.When the mqm wants some influence in the govt pashtuns got killed in karachi.The govt of pakistan also do the same.
When there is some trouble in pakistan the ,,isi,, bomb pashtuns to make fool of the world.
There will be no pakistan if pashtuns wants but the lack of leadership,mullaism,terrorism left us with nothing.
Pashtuns have no support in the region.
Oneday they may force all pashtuns out from pashtunkhwa who knows.
The entire pashtun region on both side of durandline suffering with hands of pakistani ,,isi,,,.
They are using pashtuns against pashtuns.The west also is in deep love with pakistan cus you will not find better slave country then pakistan.
At this stage pakistan is in much more strong position.
They have army,bombs and dollars of saudis and US.
On the other side ex-isi agent karzai refused to support Baluch freedom fighters.
For 35 years or more pakistan ruined afghanistan and pashtuns but when there was chance to do the same the afghan leadership once again fall into ,,isi,,s influence and game.
The entire pashtun leadership in pakistan is under the influence of ,,isi,,whoever cross the red line will be killed.
The mullas is another group cutting the roots of pashtun culture and language.


Pashtun must know that any attempt to distablise afghanistan will only serve the interests of lahore.

[tuomittuelämään]

It's a known fact that in Pakistan, Pashtuns are second class citizens and treated and viewed as chowkidar Jahils. Being called Akharuth, or bring incredibly surprised at your eduction is normal in places like Karachi or Lahore.

Pashtuns are already considered red Indians in Karachi. At one point, if you were speaking Pashto in a MQM district, they would cut off the ears of Pashtuns. To be fair though, Pashtuns would retaliate as well, especially on Sohrab Goth.

Meanwhile, it is commonplace among certain Pashtuns in the diaspora to focus the larger bulk of their time and energy away from realities such as these and place their sights upon various Western societies endlessly accusing their populace of racism and similar notions. This is not to suggest that they do not exist, they very much do but when such barbaric brutality is occurring against people because they were born to a certain ethnic group, speak a certain language, etc. it may be time to reassess one's priorities and take aim at the most vicious enemy. Someone call me when violent assault up to the cutting off of one's ear for speaking a particular language becomes commonplace in any Western society.

[Smarty]

The tribal pashtuns are not even colonised but in fact a base for terrorism.
In colony people still enjoy some freedom and have rules.
In tribal area pashtuns are used against eachother.
The tribal pashtuns can not vote
have no schools,hospital and you name it.
Pakistan brought terrorists from all over the world and trained them there to destroy afghanistan to colonise afghanistan.
Hamid Gul is the chief of terrorists camps in tribal area and all over pakistan.
I think this suffering of pashtuns and afghanistan will continue untill punjabis free kashmir with pashtuns arms.They can not fight indians and pashtuns can be hired.It is fact.Mr Ghamdi and many others can continue there bs in media cus media in pakistan owned by ,,isi,,.
These are paid ,,isi,,agents promoting their agenda.
Pashtuns are not even the citizens of pakistan but prisoners.
The pakistan media,govt and system hate pashtuns .They think pashtuns are like dogs and can be used.When the mqm wants some influence in the govt pashtuns got killed in karachi.The govt of pakistan also do the same.
When there is some trouble in pakistan the ,,isi,, bomb pashtuns to make fool of the world.
There will be no pakistan if pashtuns wants but the lack of leadership,mullaism,terrorism left us with nothing.
Pashtuns have no support in the region.
Oneday they may force all pashtuns out from pashtunkhwa who knows.
The entire pashtun region on both side of durandline suffering with hands of pakistani ,,isi,,,.
They are using pashtuns against pashtuns.The west also is in deep love with pakistan cus you will not find better slave country then pakistan.
At this stage pakistan is in much more strong position.
They have army,bombs and dollars of saudis and US.
On the other side ex-isi agent karzai refused to support Baluch freedom fighters.
For 35 years or more pakistan ruined afghanistan and pashtuns but when there was chance to do the same the afghan leadership once again fall into ,,isi,,s influence and game.
The entire pashtun leadership in pakistan is under the influence of ,,isi,,whoever cross the red line will be killed.
The mullas is another group cutting the roots of pashtun culture and language.


Pashtun must know that any attempt to distablise afghanistan will only serve the interests of lahore.

IS, ISI, ISI.................................the mentality and thinking of a common Punjabi and mohajir is not different from their politicians, bureaucrats, scholars and faujis. Who is a major or colonel in ISI? a common punjabi brought up in Punjabi society who passes ISSB and goes to army.
The real issue is incompatibility between indics/desis and Pashtuns, they were never meant to function as single nation . This country was founded for desi/indic muslims and they have imposed their values, norms, culture, language, literature, history on us. A Pashtuns is "ghair" unless he integrates, assimilates and dissolves into indic/desi identity. Any Pashtun who strongly sticks to his natural identity and traditions, is not a good muslim and paki according to them......
Brainwashed and institionalized pathans are trapped in this mess , islam card is used against them even though most of the napak punjabi and mohajir dont even pray salat. Punajbis/mohajirs/sindhis are certified patriots but pashtuns are asked to prove/show their patriotism and loyalty at every stage and place, brainwashing made them feel guilty and sinful.

[Kushan Prince]

This man and the rest of the pakis want to kill all tribal pashtuns because FATA pashtuns are the least pro pakistan and hate pakistan. They govern themselves, and this is a big headache to the pakis and ISI because the fear these pashtuns will destroy their haram british created nation. If ghamidi and his goons even try to attempt this tactic, they will reveal their evil side and true intentions to the world and we will see what the rest of the muslim world does to them.

I hope Tribal Pasthuns and the baloch resistance army join hands to take down these paki parasites.

[Manzareh]

Mullah or no mullah his words are directing toward a holocaust type genocide against Pashtuns, I say off with his head. Punjabis don't have the heart to fight against Pashtuns, I think it's been a long time since these new generations tasted some tribal ferocity.