Dostum asks Turkic neighbours to establish Birlik Turkistan in northern Afghanistan

[ComradePashtun]

^^^ Yeah but Bostan is the biggest undercover (Tajik in disguise) idiot. Like his preposterous propaganda is now really going to affect Ashraf Ghani who is now said to be the leading candidate and the millions who will vote for him. I had told him that a while back that it was a specious move by Karzai to back Zalmay Rassoul who is convincingly a loser.

He is crapping himself and the thought of man like Ashraf Ghani the president and Dostum who is now spiteful of his ex NA friends like Atta etc. haunts people like him which one may argue is understandable. But Ghani is too intelligent who will not allow order of the day and stability of the country be affected by what he says is a chapter closed of the past adversarial rivalries and he is probably utmost going to try to leave a very different legacy as the first man in Afghanistan. He is probably going to give chance to more intelligent people to be working in Arg than this Bostan idiot which is another concern for him and his likes what is sight of their end and demise.

[ComradePashtun]

This is all a big nonsense propaganda!!!!

[ComradePashtun]

Afghanistan needs a change and only a good leader can bring that. Enough with the second most corrupt government in the world.

[HalloIsBack]

Afghanistan needs a change and only a good leader can bring that. Enough with the second most corrupt government in the world.

which is the first most corrupt government in the world?

[pashtanajan]

which is the first most corrupt government in the world?

Right now, Egypt imo

[Admin Khan]

^^^ Yeah but Bostan is the biggest undercover (Tajik in disguise) idiot. Like his preposterous propaganda is now really going to affect Ashraf Ghani who is now said to be the leading candidate and the millions who will vote for him. I had told him that a while back that it was a specious move by Karzai to back Zalmay Rassoul who is convincingly a loser.

He is crapping himself and the thought of man like Ashraf Ghani the president and Dostum who is now spiteful of his ex NA friends like Atta etc. haunts people like him which one may argue is understandable. But Ghani is too intelligent who will not allow order of the day and stability of the country be affected by what he says is a chapter closed of the past adversarial rivalries and he is probably utmost going to try to leave a very different legacy as the first man in Afghanistan. He is probably going to give chance to more intelligent people to be working in Arg than this Bostan idiot which is another concern for him and his likes what is sight of their end and demise.

Why would such an intelligent man, an alum of Columbia, sign up with Dostum?

[vinyard80]

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Sheberghan and faryab used to be part of the khanate of bukhara young simpleton. The uzbeks have long inhabited that land and it only became part of Afghanistan when Ahmad Shah Durrani was given the province as a gift.

And don't majority of tajiks in afg trace their ancestry to samarkand and other tajik cites north of the amu darya?

You are talking BS lmao. I am half tajik and I have spent most of my life among them. Never heard any kabuli, mazari or herati tracing back their roots to samarqand or bukhara.

Tajiks are as native as pashtun. Actually even more because before Hotakis no pashtun empire has ruled this land..

[Kushan Prince]

You are talking BS lmao. I am half tajik and I have spent most of my life among them. Never heard any kabuli, mazari or herati tracing back their roots to samarqand or bukhara.

Tajiks are as native as pashtun. Actually even more because before Hotakis no pashtun empire has ruled this land..

Your not half tajik, you are FULL tajik. I personally know some tajiks that can trace their ancestry to Samarkand and Bukhara because of the Samanid empire. This whole idea that two ethnic groups can be native to one area is just preposterous. I believe someone said this out of sheer pressure to strengthen ethnic ties among Afghans.

[Bost Bastan News]

Why would such an intelligent man, an alum of Columbia, sign up with Dostum?

Actually, it wasn´t Mr. Ghani himself who asked Dostum to join him. Mr. Sarwar Danesh came to the Arg and asked Mr. Khalili to form a group where Hazaras play a role. So he said join Mr. Ashraf Ghani. Dostum himself came to the Arg and asked our Mayesty to help him making an alliance with one of the remaining candidates. Since majority of the candidates did not want to have Dostum on their tickets, he was directed to Mr. Ghani. Of course we also thought it from our perspective. How to play it well that our strategy works for the election.

@ Rest

You people act like you have never lived before the team-making days. You have forgotten that one 3 weeks before Dostum joined Mr. Ashraf Ghani what he and his loyalists were demanding, which parties they have created, what their militias are still doing in the north? After election you can bet your pants on it that all those Dostumis will take their old anti-Pashtun and anti-Afghanistan positions. For those who don´t know it. I haven´t wrote that article. A Kasakhstani political observer wrote it.

[Tjanaparh]

And in Uzbekistan the Karakalpak Turkic ethnic group wants an independent Karkalpakstan.

Bostan thinks Pan-Turkism can become a reality lol.

Karakalpaks are actually from a tribe included after unification in the Kazakh nation, so more likely the'd join Kazakhstan. Same tribe members live across the border in Kazakhstan.
The borders of the Soviet republics were created by Lenin, Stalin...
So they actually are completely artificial, that is why there are so many "durrand-lines" among various ex-Soviet countries and so many conflicts for the US or Europe, to use for their interests.
And that is also why the SU-division was a crime, not because of division but because of how it was done.
Kazakhstan president Nazarbayev was perhaps the only SU republic leader to oppose this division.

What we have at the end are:
a) Artificial states
b) Populations divided among to states, that have bad relations, but the populations on both sides are not only related but relatives.
c) Huge war potential.


On the Pan-Turkism theme.
It may be possible amon Oghuz Turks and in some extant also Karluk Turkic nations, but Qipchaq Turkic people from central Asia have too many differences with the Oghuz.

What happens are things that happened in Tengiz, Kazakhstan, in the conflict between Turks and Kazakhs.

[vinyard80]

Your not half tajik, you are FULL tajik. I personally know some tajiks that can trace their ancestry to Samarkand and Bukhara because of the Samanid empire. This whole idea that two ethnic groups can be native to one area is just preposterous. I believe someone said this out of sheer pressure to strengthen ethnic ties among Afghans.

My identity is not the subject here. You just wanna portray me as a full tajik just because I don't agree with you. Who gives a sh*t? lmao

Samanids were originally from "modern iran". Read something about Bahram Chobin. Never heard any tajik tracing back his roots to samarqand. Indeed according many scholars tajik identity was created during samanian period but ordinary tajik people don't care about it.

Well tajik history is closer to our land than pashtun one. Its a fact. Now please call me again tajik.

[vinyard80]

I find damn hilarious how some pashtun nationalist here think that after election ghani will "fool" Dostum. You losers. Dostum is an uneducated person but still one million time smarter than Ghani. Dostum is a political prostitute who has betrayed all his allies: najeeb, massoud, ismael khan, taliban, national front,.. and now he will also betray ghani. Don't underestimate Dostum. He is smarter than you think

[Kushan Prince]

My identity is not the subject here. You just wanna portray me as a full tajik just because I don't agree with you. Who gives a sh*t? lmao

Samanids were originally from "modern iran". Read something about Bahram Chobin. Never heard any tajik tracing back his roots to samarqand. Indeed according many scholars tajik identity was created during samanian period but ordinary tajik people don't care about it.

Well tajik history is closer to our land than pashtun one. Its a fact. Now please call me again tajik.

so your basically saying that modern tajiks came into being when islam was introduced? So you agree they are a by product of islam?

Well then i agree!

[Bost Bastan News]

Russia, Uzbekistan Floating Plans To Create "Buffer State" In Afghanistan

As Russia, China and Central Asian countries plan for post-2014 Afghanistan, they are floating plans to create "mini buffer states" in northern Afghanistan in order to stanch the potential flow of Islamism and violence into the post-Soviet space.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the China-led security organization that also includes Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan, held a meeting of member state defense ministers this week in Khujand, Tajikistan. The participants made the usual vague public statements about how the SCO was playing a key role in regional stability. “We do not share the West’s optimism about the chances of stabilising the situation in Afghanistan following continued actions by international terrorist and Islamic extremist organisations,” said Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu. “The SCO is turning into one of most important structures, to our mind, not only in Central Asia, but also in the East,” he added. The defense ministers also discussed the upcoming iteration of the annual Peace Mission joint military exercises, to be held this year in August in China's Inner Mongolia.
The most intriguing suggestion to come out of the meeting, though, is that regional countries are apparently discussing plans to strengthen regional power brokers in northern Afghanistan as a means of combating the spread of instability into Central Asia and Russia. "Russia and its allies in the SCO and the Collective Security Treaty Organization, after the withdrawal of international forces from Afghanistan, will create on its borders with the [post-Soviet states] several buffer territorial formations, which will prevent the infiltration of instability from that country into other governments," Russian newspaper Nezavisimaya Gazeta reported, citing "military-diplomatic sources," saying that plan was discussed in the closed session of the Khujand meeting. "Similar mini-governments existed in Afghanistan in the 1990s."
Interestingly, an analysis published this week in UzMetronom, a Tashkent-based site relatively well informed as to the thinking of the Uzbekistani government, referred approvingly to the idea of "mini buffer states" in northern Afghanistan.
"First, as structures with a great degree of political and international authority, the SCO could take on the burden of dialog of Afghanistan's problems with NATO and the U.S., including discussions on the creation of a buffer zone in northern Afghanistan using the capacity of SCO member states," the piece's author, Oleg Stolpovskiy, wrote, proposing a "constructive division of responsibility among the SCO member states and the current participants in the resolution of the Afghanistan conflict."
Stolpovskiy also, interestingly, endorsed the potential of the CSTO, an organization which Uzbekistan abandoned two years ago in an effort to reduce Russian influence in the country. "The capacity of the CSTO as a military-political organization of regional cooperation could be used in the conditions of the growth of Afghan narcotrafficking to the north, and the spread of crossborder crime and international terrorists from Afghanistan. This could entail the strengthening of border control mechanisms in the Central Asian countries bordering Afghanistan up to the joint guarding of the borders of the most problematic areas, particularly in Tajikistan."
Nezavisimaya Gazeta also referred to a visit by Abdul Rashid Dostum, a leader of the ethnic Uzbeks in Afghanistan, to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan earlier this year, saying that its aim was discussing these sorts of plans. And a recent analysis by Igor Rotar in Jamestown echoed that conclusion:

Much as they did in the 1990s, the Uzbekistani authorities recognize the possible value a buffer state in the ethnically Uzbek region of Afghanistan-should one again be established there. "Dostum is one of the most secular politicians in Afghanistan and his policy is convenient for the Central Asia authorities. Nobody wants to see the Taliban near their borders," said pro-government Uzbek political scientist Rafik Saifulin.
"After the withdrawal of US troops, the probability of Afghanistan disintegrating into a few ethnic-based states is high," the Russian Oriental Studies Institute's [Alexander] Knyazev told Jamestown. "It is possible that Dostum discussed with Uzbek and Kazakh authorities the option of recreating a de-facto independent state in the Uzbek part of Afghanistan," Knyazev posited.


All of this is still obviously just in the discussion stage, but all of this -- the potential deliberate fragmentation of Afghanistan, and the concomitant rapprochement between Uzbekistan and Russia that it suggests -- would be a big deal.

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/68232

[Bengal_Tiger]

Russia, Uzbekistan Floating Plans To Create "Buffer State" In Afghanistan



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http://www.eurasianet.org/node/68232

This article is from today (I checked). This is definitely not a good sign and is ominous.

I definitely now think even more so that Dr Ghani seeking to co-opt Dostum is a wise and prudent decision to preserve the continued integrity and stability of the Afghan state.