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    In January 2014, ''General'' Dostum was visiting various Turkic-speaking countries, including Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kasakhstan for no appearent reasons. Now the American polit-agency ''The Jamestown Foundation'' revealed that Dostum visited those countries to seek help for creating a new state in northern Afghanistan exclusively for ethnic Uzbeks. He is cited saying that he doesn´t believe that he will play a political role anymore after 2014 presidential elections. If the new state would be established he would rule it and make sure that ''Taliban'' won´t swept to other neighbouring -stans.

    In January 2014, the chairman of the National Islamic Movement of Afghanistan party, General Abdul Rashid Dostum, a well-known politician and leader of ethnic Uzbeks in Afghanistan, made unofficial visits to Uzbekistan’s capital of Tashkent, the Kazakhstani capital of Astana, and Almaty—Kazakhstan’s largest city. According to most analysts, General Dostum was visiting these Central Asian countries in order to negotiate potential military and technical assistance. According to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Dostum was also planning to visit the Kyrgyz Republic’s capital of Bishkek and Turkmenistan’s capital of Ashgabat, but his plans changed for unknown reasons and he quickly left Central Asia for India (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, on January 31).

    General Dostum’s career reaches back to the period of the former Soviet Union. He studied in the Soviet military academy in 1988 and then served as the commander of the 53rd Afghan Infantry Division. Dostum and his division reported directly to then-president of Afghanistan, Mohammad Najibullah, but after the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the country, Dostum took up arms against Najibullah (Rossia newspaper, August 21, 2009).

    After Taliban forces captured Kabul in September 1996, Dostum aligned himself with the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. He stationed his troops—around 50,000 men, supported by both aircraft and tanks—in the city of Mazar-i-Sharif. With this force, the area under his control became a de-facto independent country inside the Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. He even set up his own ministry of foreign affairs and started issuing Afghan visas. The embassies of Russia, Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and the consulate of Pakistan were then all located in Mazar-i-Sharif. Additionally, Dostum ran a small airline named Balkh Air. Central Asian and Russian journalists jokingly called this area “Dostumistan” (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, January 31; Rossia, August 21, 2009).

    This author visited Mazar-i-Sharif in 1996, and witnessed that, unlike in the Taliban-controlled territories, people living in “Dostumistan” were able to watch television and play music. Many women did not wear the full burka and were able to attend classes at school and at the University of Mazar-i-Sharif. Furthermore, the author visited General Dostum’s army base in Mazar-i-Sharif. Interestingly, most of Dostum’s officers fluently spoke Russian as they had studied in Soviet military academies. Despite the Ramadan fast, the officers invited the author to have dinner in the day time and even to drink vodka with them.

    At this point, during the mid- to late-1990s, Tashkent maintained close relations with Dostumistan. Uzbekistan’s President Islam Karimov even provided generous military and economic assistance to the leader of the Afghan Uzbeks, General Dustum. Moreover, Dostum’s soldiers would periodically withdraw across the border to the Uzbekistani town of Termez to recuperate after intense fighting in Afghanistan against Taliban forces. Indeed, the existence of Dostumistan was considered quite advantageous to authorities in Tashkent because this effective buffer state bordering on Uzbekistan protected the Central Asian republic from any encroaches by the Afghan Taliban. Illustrative of the close relationship between him and the authorities in Uzbekistan, Dostum has for many years owned a private residence in Tashkent, where all his family lives (Rossia, August 21, 2009).

    According to Aleksei Malashenko, an expert at the Carnegie Center in Moscow, Abdul Rashid Dostum’s January 2014 visit to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan was to remind these countries about himself. “Nobody knows how the events will unfold following the withdrawal of the US troops from Afghanistan [by late 2014],” Malashenko said, adding, “Apparently, Dostum wants to remain in politics [in Afghanistan] and to play an important role using the Central Asia factor [that is, his links in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and beyond]. He does not want to be written-off; his activism stems from this” (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, on January 31).

    Alexander Knyazev, an Almaty-based coordinator of the Central Asia and Caucasus program at the Russian Institute of Oriental Studies, argues that General Dostum wants to establish close relations with the Kazakhstani authorities, starting with the security ministries, while also maintaining his ties to the authorities in Tashkent. Knyazev believes that during Dostum’s January visit to Astana, the Afghan general may have met with the chairman of Kazakhstan’s committee on national security, Nurtai Abikaev (Author’s interview, February 10).

    Much as they did in the 1990s, the Uzbekistani authorities recognize the possible value a buffer state in the ethnically Uzbek region of Afghanistan—should one again be established there. “Dostum is one of the most secular politicians in Afghanistan and his policy is convenient for the Central Asia authorities. Nobody wants to see the Taliban near their borders,” said pro-government Uzbek political scientist Rafik Saifulin (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, on January 31).

    “After the withdrawal of US troops, the probability of Afghanistan disintegrating into a few ethnic-based states is high,” the Russian Oriental Studies Institute’s Knyazev told Jamestown. “It is possible that Dostum discussed with Uzbek and Kazakh authorities the option of recreating a de-facto independent state in the Uzbek part of Afghanistan,” Knyazev posited (Author’s interview, February 10).

    For now there appears to be no compelling evidence that either Tashkent or Astana are actively promoting recreating Dostumistan on Afghanistan’s borders with Central Asia. Nevertheless, Dostum’s trip is a clear indication that he is looking to expand his own political influence by seeking support from the other Central Asian governments. Moreover, his apparent meetings with top Uzbekistani and Kazakhstani security officials suggest that Tashkent and Astana are at least open to building ties with promising political figures in Afghanistan in preparation for the new situation on the ground after the Western forces’ withdrawal from the country. And Dostum’s growing influence is advantageous not only for Central Asian authorities, but also possibly for the Kremlin. Considering his roots in the Soviet military establishment, Dostum could serve as a useful tool for Moscow to reinforce its own political position in Afghanistan. However, the feasibility of all these sides’ strategies will likely not become fully apparent until after the Afghan presidential elections of April 2014 and the West’s complete military exit from the country.
    http://www.jamestown.org/regions/cen...5#.UzLW_vl5P5N

  • #2
    Wake Up, Supporters of Ashraf Ghani!!! DOSTUM WILL FIRST KILL ASHRAF GHANI AND THAN DEVIDE AFGHANISTAN. NO ONE CAN CONTROL DOSTUM ONCE HE HAS POWER AGAIN.

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    • #3
      Yeah right, like the wife of Ashraf Ghani who want to spread christianity in Afghanistan lol.
      Please give me a break an don't spam this forum with your farsiban propaganda.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
        Yeah right, like the wife of Ashraf Ghani who want to spread christianity in Afghanistan lol.
        Please give me a break an don't spam this forum with your farsiban propaganda.
        Please tell this Igor Satar, the publisher of one of the leading central asian political news agencies

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        • #5
          Just give the uzbeks sheberghan its their land anyways.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #6
            A better solution would be to send these turko mongols back to kazakhastan and mongolia where they originally come from.

            This is a issue between tajiks and uzbeks, pashtuns couldn't care less about northern afghanistan.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
              A better solution would be to send these turko mongols back to kazakhastan and mongolia where they originally come from.

              This is a issue between tajiks and uzbeks, pashtuns couldn't care less about northern afghanistan.
              You may not care about Northern Afghanistan but I and many Pashtuns who hail from N. Afghanistan sure do! And of course, any Afghan with an ounce of intelligence does as well.

              Birlik Turkistan is an impossible endeavour. Afghanistan's Uzbeks and Turkmen are in the low millions population wise, so I'm not sure a how a state with such an extremely low population would be able to sustain itself and survive. My uzbek uncle and his family haven't even heard of this movement or the term 'Birlik Turkistan'.

              I call this bull. It's probably just propaganda. Why do you guys like to spread paranoia, especially you Bost Bastan News?
              Last edited by pashtanajan; 04-02-2014, 03:27 PM.
              True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us. - Socrates

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pashtanajan View Post
                You may not care about Northern Afghanistan but I and many Pashtuns who hail from N. Afghanistan sure do! And of course, any Afghan with an ounce of intelligence does as well.

                Birlik Turkistan is an impossible endeavour. Afghanistan's Uzbeks and Turkmen are in the low millions population wise, so I'm not sure a how a state with such an extremely low population would be able to sustain itself and survive. My uzbek uncle and his family haven't even heard of this movement or the term 'Birlik Turkistan'.

                I call this bull. It's probably just propaganda. Why do you guys like to spread paranoia, especially you Bost Bastan News?
                Becuase he is afraid of Ghani, Ghani rejects all major warlords and corrupt mujhahids and doesn't want them in his goverment he knows that if he comes to power theire lawish life style and corruption will come to and end.

                Plus Ghani want more Pashtu to be recognised and used in the goverment, what most of Tajiks can't handle....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pashtanajan View Post
                  You may not care about Northern Afghanistan but I and many Pashtuns who hail from N. Afghanistan sure do! And of course, any Afghan with an ounce of intelligence does as well.
                  I didn't mean it in that sense since I am from the north as well.

                  To be honest I care more about the pashtun heartland like waziristan and kandahar than sheberghan and other northern provinces where small pockets of pashtuns live.

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                  • #10
                    with all due respect..
                    you all want yourselves loy pakhtunkhuwa or pakhtunistan but they can't have themselves a mini turkistan in their corner of the country??
                    if you are going to rip the ****ing map and have yourselves tiny little states, be ****ing fair about it.

                    "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                    • #11
                      I don't want to play any ethnic rivalry as I think that stuff is nonsense, but there's no doubt in my mind for a second that Bostan is a Tajik Nationalist and not a Pashtun.

                      With that said, Pashtuns annoy me on the fact they feel entitled everyone else's land but cry injustice when anyone else invade their land.
                      Last edited by RevolutionThroughReason; 04-02-2014, 06:34 PM.
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                      • #12
                        I don't know how true this is but here are my two cents (for someone who knows very little about Afghanistan).

                        1. If this is true, then the Turkic states of Central Asia are not at all interested in pan-Turkism and are interested in developing their own nation states, Kazakhstan for example is around 1/3 ethnic Russian and as the Ukraine crisis just reinforces cannot afford to anger its giant neighbour to the north. Trying to "Kazakhify" Kazakhstan is a struggle let alone wider dreams of pan-Turkism.

                        2. The only state in the "Turkic world" which is interested in pan-Turkism is Turkey but they have no border with Afghanistan, cannot send troops there and have been humiliated in Syria and Iraq (where there are big Turkmen populations).

                        Turkey itself might be heading for an economic crisis soon.

                        3. In my experience with Afghans most of them place their allegiance to the state of Afghanistan before their particular ethnicity. However I have never met a Uzbek from Afghanistan but I have met Pashtuns (a former friend was a Mahmudzai from Kabul and related to Zahir Shah) and Farsiwan/Tajiks.

                        I doubt Uzbeks from ex-Soviet Uzbekistan and Afghanistan have that much in common anyway, probably less in common than Pashtuns from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                          Just give the uzbeks sheberghan its their land anyways.
                          Why is Sheberghan now Uzbeks property? 90years ago, 90% of them were given asylum by our people to settle there and flee from Soviets and now you want Afghan lands to give to original Tashkentis, Bukharians and Samarqandis? Hey, why don´t we give Herat to Iranians, Nimruz to Balochis, Kandahar to Pakistanis and Balkh to Tajikistanis??? What kind of logic is that?
                          [MENTION=5349]Hallo[/MENTION]
                          Birlik Turkistan is an impossible endeavour. Afghanistan's Uzbeks and Turkmen are in the low millions population wise, so I'm not sure a how a state with such an extremely low population would be able to sustain itself and survive. My uzbek uncle and his family haven't even heard of this movement or the term 'Birlik Turkistan'.
                          Do you know that all those Turkistanis and Dostumis have sent their children to Turkey where they get tought Pan-Turkism or that many private turkish schools and private universities spreak Turkish nationalism in Afghanistan? Do you know that right now Batur Dostum and his fellows are promoting among Turks and even among Hazara nationalists Pan-Turkism? Just read the article again what the author has written and you will understand the reality. Just some simple questions

                          - Hadn´t Dostum in the 90s established an independent Uzbek state with Balkh as his capital where his men looted and raped our people just for fun or being non-Uzbeks?

                          - Hadn´t Dostum own embassies in Middle East and Central Asia in the 90s not owned by Kabul???

                          - Hadn´t he close ties to Uzbekistan who supported him financially and political to promote Uzbekism in the region?

                          - What is right now Turkey´s role in Afghanistan among Uzbeks and Hazara factions?

                          - Do you know that the so called Fetullah Gulen movement is right now very active in Afghanistan private sectors? An nationalist organization using Islam for political Turkism?

                          - Have you visited ever on Facebook Dostumis pages and that of Hazara nationalists? Do you actually realize that all Uzbek and Hazara nationalist parties like Junbish Mili and Hizb-i-Wahdat are secularist-nationalist parties who work for independence?

                          - Jabeh Mili, do you remember this party? Wasn´t this party demanding for system change from current government system to federalism? Jabhe Mili was and still is a Uzbek-Hazara nationalist party that even uses jerks like Ahmad Zia Massoud to fullfill their own political agenda of partition of Afghanistan. That´s why Zia Massoud´s own Tajik fellows just laughed about them. Just because Dostum is now on Ghani´s ticket it does not mean that he is still not running for Bilik Turkistan since Uzbekistan still regards Afghanistan´s Uzbeks as fundamentalists and very backward and savage. The article proves it. His son´s political organisations he presents on his own facebook profil as he shows this on General Rashid Dostum page

                          - Do you remember that three months ago the same Uzbeks (Dostumis) were demanding even by using profanity their ethnicity stating on the electronic ID cards?

                          - Dostum knows Pakistan and Pakistan´s slave is real. He knows Taliban are everywhere and they will go after him. Things won´t change so easily. Dostum always changed sides and he will do this again. Shortly after the election he will be again a different man

                          - Do you know that right now Dostum is busy in finishing his 30 000 men strong militia which regularely are attacking Pashtun villages? Right now they are looting our villages while at the same time he is a presidential candidate of Mr. Ghani.

                          - If this Dostumis (not ordinary Uzbek people who are nice and beautiful people) would believe in humanity or democracy we had already witness of it. In Afgahnistan we say the most savage (zalim) people are Uzbeks (meaning Ghlim Jamis).

                          You forget that 2.5-3 millon ethnic Turks is more than enough to establish a powerful state. You don´t even need 100 000 soldiers. As Dostum proved it in the past it is able to rule over a region beyond their own ethnic with only 50 000 men. Important is the transit points for supplies. Right now it seems many things is going to be repeated again. But people living in the west don´t know what is happening in Afghanistan.

                          Back in 1997 - the Dostumis/Turkistani nationalists around Dostum whom were in charge of Mazar and several northern provinces had in effect created a separate state. In Iran the official consulate of Afghanistan for Mashhad was ignored in favour of the JUNBESH (Uzbek/Turkistani Nationalist) CONSULATE.

                          In Mazar the Dostumis and the Wahdatis were enslaving the Pashtuns and Tajik oppositions and persecuting and abusing them. It was so bad that the resident were happy when the Taliban came and smashed up the Dostumis and Wahdatis. Instead of helping to fight the Taliban - these traitors were more motivated by Turkistanism - and they still are. Mazar has been promised to Dostum by Ashraf Ghani - in order to get votes of Uzbeks
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                            Becuase he is afraid of Ghani, Ghani rejects all major warlords and corrupt mujhahids and doesn't want them in his goverment he knows that if he comes to power theire lawish life style and corruption will come to and end.

                            Plus Ghani want more Pashtu to be recognised and used in the goverment, what most of Tajiks can't handle....
                            Then who are Dostumis and Dostum? Who are those Khalqi Generals supporting him? Aren´t these people still Warlords? Just be serious and stop contradicting yourself, brother. v

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                              I don't know how true this is but here are my two cents (for someone who knows very little about Afghanistan).

                              1. If this is true, then the Turkic states of Central Asia are not at all interested in pan-Turkism and are interested in developing their own nation states, Kazakhstan for example is around 1/3 ethnic Russian and as the Ukraine crisis just reinforces cannot afford to anger its giant neighbour to the north. Trying to "Kazakhify" Kazakhstan is a struggle let alone wider dreams of pan-Turkism.

                              2. The only state in the "Turkic world" which is interested in pan-Turkism is Turkey but they have no border with Afghanistan, cannot send troops there and have been humiliated in Syria and Iraq (where there are big Turkmen populations).

                              Turkey itself might be heading for an economic crisis soon.

                              3. In my experience with Afghans most of them place their allegiance to the state of Afghanistan before their particular ethnicity. However I have never met a Uzbek from Afghanistan but I have met Pashtuns (a former friend was a Mahmudzai from Kabul and related to Zahir Shah) and Farsiwan/Tajiks.

                              I doubt Uzbeks from ex-Soviet Uzbekistan and Afghanistan have that much in common anyway, probably less in common than Pashtuns from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
                              The neo-Uzbek elite is educated in Turkey or within Afghanistan by Turkish organizations in private Turkish schools and universities. You are right that other Turkish countries in central asia don´t care about Pan-Turkism but they take adventage of it in Afghanistan because the Uzbek and Turkmen, along some Hazara elites are believing in this crap and they diehard support it. The Russians also used their slavic brothers like Ukrainian people under the masque of Pan-Slavism. The same can be said about Pakistan. Panjabis use Pakistanism to milk non-Panjabis.

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