Do you want a united Pashtunistan, Pukhtunistan, Loy Afghanistan?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Allah created pashtu and pashtun and they have every right to keep their own identity and own country with name of pashtunkhwa or pashtunistan.

wrong. Muslims should do all in their power to dissolve any and all ethnic based states. You can be your ethnicity, have your culture and speak your language, but your social and political institutions cannot be based on it.

[Bost Bastan News]

From political point of view a Greater Afghanistan is a dream. It can´t become true because of the following facts:

- Pashtuns are not the only people who want independence

- not all Pashtuns but mainly the educated Pashtuns living in northern Afghanistan or abroad are in favour of Greater Afghanistan

- Pakistani Pashtuns are not in favour of Greater Afghanistan

- Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistani by flesh, blood, culture and identity. Pakistanism is their blood.

- a Pashtun farmer in the south or north or west or east of Afghanistan doesn´t care what Greater Afghanistan is. He never have seen the world outside his own district. He has other problems like starvation and feeding his family than giving attention to kindergarten politics

- Greater Afghanistan is not only a Pashtun issue. Panjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Farsiwans, Uzbeks and even Iranians will influence it (we failed in the past and we will face in future because of this point). Afghan tribes like Farsiwans or Uzbeks and Balochs will take their regions which is full of natural resources and will establish their own Greater-State as well

- Between Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Peshawar the population of FATA will devide
Pashtuns and won´t allow other Pashtuns to enter their region. They form a blockade

- Pashtuns currently are political very weak and shakey

- we lack of leadership and organization

- Pakistan don´t allow it. It is still an owner of A-Bomb and a master of using Islam

- Greater Afghanistan will not be able to feed 50 Mio people, not being able to give them lands, houses, work places, security

- our own regions are lacking of natural resources. Those resources we can find we can´t make use of them since we don´t have the know-how and even if we would have a bit support from the west it would even for the west be very difficult and too expensive and gets by time even more expensive to sweat those resources. Even if we succed it we will destroy our nation by producing many pollution. Rare earth for example is very very dirty and can cause cancer and other illness and contaminate drink-water, fruitable lands. Compare it with radio activity

- Greater Afghanistan would create more chaos and social problems for us than living in two states. It will lead to more and stronger tribe-vs-tribe feuds and civil war, war between secularists, nationalists, Islamists and tribal lashkars and more wars on resources and more migrations toward east or west

Better we keep happy with what we have than risking to lose everything, even the oxygen we breath.

[Bost Bastan News]

Allah created pashtu and pashtun and they have every right to keep their own identity and own country with name of pashtunkhwa or pashtunistan.

Allah did not created Pashtuns. Tribes created themselves. People splitted and moved into different directions and other sub-groups got created until their relationship got lost as their common language, culture and origin. Why do you think there are human-beings all over the world today with different languages, identity, cultures ?

[gadoonwal]

Balochistan historically has been always part of Iran

Ofcourse the present Afghanistan was merged out of many other smaller states such as

*Gwadar from Oman
*Southern pakhtunkhwa or Godar from Afghanistan
*central balochistan(60% of modern Balochistan) from Iran
*Las bela State from Sindh.

Next year in 2015 Balochistan will be divided into 3 provinces.(A total of 14 provinces to be created in Pakistan)

*Central balochistan with no access to sea
*Southern pakhtuknkhwa with quetta as capital
*Gwadar Province with the whole Coastal boundry of Balochistan including the ancient las bela state.

Pashtunistan has always been a insignificant region throughout the history,

Modern Afghanistan has importance only because the Khorosan region got merged with it otherwise the Pashtunistan region never was conquered by any force because of it zero significance.

Whole of the Geography of pashtunistan region is mountainous and extremely less arable land.Even the Afghanistan Ghori and ghaznavi's had their capitals in Punjab(Historic Punjab include Pakistani punjab,indian punjab,Haryana,Modern delhi and parts of Utharkand such as shimla)

Punjab was conquered always because it was a important land since agriculture favourable land was considered equal to Gold.Punjab still is one of the world best agriculture land.

The pashtunistan region be it on Pakistan side or Afghanistan side has zero resouces and no Arable land.

In Pakistan all the resources such as Gas and coal are in Sindh,Other minerals are in balochistan.KPK apart from river suited for Hydropower dam has nothing else to offer.while punjab is agriculture

In Afghanistan the pashtunistan region has noting at all and all the resources are in The ancient khorosan region of Afghanistan

Pashtunistan map in pakistan and Afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunistan

you seems to be real pashtun hater.
pashtunistan is the richest land in sources.
we got rivers,fertile land,gas,mines,forests,stratigic routs and you name it.
If we got no indsitries then there is reason,,,,,,,discrimination,,,,,,,,,,,.
punjos not building industries in our land and pashtun like you still support them.
what your poor punjab got?
just wheat?
we are the largest producer of sugar and tobaco in the whole of aisa so wake first before make comments.
we have gas in karak and hangu area.
if we get control over our rivers the pashtunkhwa will export wheat etc to other countries.

[gadoonwal]

From political point of view a Greater Afghanistan is a dream. It can´t become true because of the following facts:

- Pashtuns are not the only people who want independence

- not all Pashtuns but mainly the educated Pashtuns living in northern Afghanistan or abroad are in favour of Greater Afghanistan

- Pakistani Pashtuns are not in favour of Greater Afghanistan

- Pakistani Pashtuns are Pakistani by flesh, blood, culture and identity. Pakistanism is their blood.

- a Pashtun farmer in the south or north or west or east of Afghanistan doesn´t care what Greater Afghanistan is. He never have seen the world outside his own district. He has other problems like starvation and feeding his family than giving attention to kindergarten politics

- Greater Afghanistan is not only a Pashtun issue. Panjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Farsiwans, Uzbeks and even Iranians will influence it (we failed in the past and we will face in future because of this point). Afghan tribes like Farsiwans or Uzbeks and Balochs will take their regions which is full of natural resources and will establish their own Greater-State as well

- Between Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Peshawar the population of FATA will devide
Pashtuns and won´t allow other Pashtuns to enter their region. They form a blockade

- Pashtuns currently are political very weak and shakey

- we lack of leadership and organization

- Pakistan don´t allow it. It is still an owner of A-Bomb and a master of using Islam

- Greater Afghanistan will not be able to feed 50 Mio people, not being able to give them lands, houses, work places, security

- our own regions are lacking of natural resources. Those resources we can find we can´t make use of them since we don´t have the know-how and even if we would have a bit support from the west it would even for the west be very difficult and too expensive and gets by time even more expensive to sweat those resources. Even if we succed it we will destroy our nation by producing many pollution. Rare earth for example is very very dirty and can cause cancer and other illness and contaminate drink-water, fruitable lands. Compare it with radio activity

- Greater Afghanistan would create more chaos and social problems for us than living in two states. It will lead to more and stronger tribe-vs-tribe feuds and civil war, war between secularists, nationalists, Islamists and tribal lashkars and more wars on resources and more migrations toward east or west

Better we keep happy with what we have than risking to lose everything, even the oxygen we breath.

If we follow your wrong claim then this suffering will continue.
afghanistan will always be pupet state.islam abad will control your polcies and trade.
How will you reach to the outside world?
The reason you want afghanistan to remain in the currant position to keep persainising the pashtuns like you did in millions already.
You will spread your persain civilization to the last pashtu speaking village of kunar province in the east.
you will left our brothers with no choice but to learn and adopt dari to trade and get job.
Once you reach to that level then you will say pashtu is not good language so as pashtunwali to live in the modren world ,right.
Finally you will name this country with your khorasan wich your leaders talking day and night.
But remember as long as one pashtun alive and speak pashtu ahmad shah baba ,s pashtunkhwa/afghniatsan will be there.
you will have no choice but to live as a afghan/pashtun.
you will be known by this name in the outside world.


You seems to be the real pashtun hater.
pashtuns by blood are pashtuns and nothing more.
Allah separated them from punjabis by creating great indus river.
pashtunistan can servive side by side with azad baluchistan.
we got sources and rivers and stratigic routs.
One of our great dream is to creat greater pashtunistan from amu to abaseen to push these iranian thugs out of holy land but lets wait and see how we get stablity in afghanistan.

[gadoonwal]

The problem with your line of argument is that it lacks PREDICTIVE power. If what you were saying is true then we'd at least find SOME SORT of evidence that Pashto was spoken for thousands of years. Even if Pashto is a tribal language Pashtuns would have had to been interactive with the surrounding cultures and thereby other cultures who were LITERARY (meaning could write) would have chronicled the Pashtuns. Yet we only find chronicles of OTHER regional languages EXCEPT Pashto. All the regions currently inhabited by Pashtuns were inhabited by Non-Pashtuns at one time, whether Gandharans, Bactrians, Soghdians, Kushans, Khotanese, Khwarzemis and so on. YET WE FIND NO reference until about the 10th-11th century.

It would be absurd that the Historians would ignore such a prominent nation of people and then SUDDENLY at around the 10th century decided to make references to them.

Also I didn't say Pashto is a blended language. I said that Pashtuns are a mixture of people who DEVELOPED Pashto. Not that they took bits of this language and that language and made Pashto. .Although I wouldn't reject that hypothesis either.

However, your hypothesis is falsified because blended languages exist.very widely. For example English, is a hybrid of Romance and Teutonic Languages. Creole is a mixture of languages. Swahili is a mixture of languages. Egyptian Arabic is a mixture of languages. North African Arabic is also a mixture. I can think of numerous examples.

One's conclusions should be based on evidence; One cannot conclude that Pashtuns existed for thousands of years with the evidence we have.


The idea that Pashtuns existed 5000 years ago is just a desperate fantasy of people who have an inferiority complex.

my dear proffesor sahib is this you?
kindly help the members and use your real name.
I guss this is you sir,

what els you do?
kindly read bellow what our dear proffesor writing day and night about pashtun origin and politics
pashtuns came from pakistan.
They are minority in afghanistan.
Duranis are tajiks by language and culture so as many other pashtuns.Duranis are tajikified.
Ghilzais are not real pashtuns.
Wardags are arabs by origin and pashtunized.
Kandakhar was known as gandara.
Pashtuns are not native to afghanistan.
All pashtuns are talibans and extremists.
Pashtu is backward so as pakhtuns.
Pashtuns are pakis.
Ahmad shah abdali was the servant of nadir afshar.
Ahmad shah abdali was multani.
pashtuns are khalakani/bacha baz.
Pashtuns always need master to rule afghanistan.
They are all wahabis.

The above words are few examples of proffesor saib ,s contribution to pashtun nation.


pls waste your energy for something positive sir.
you can write something good for afghanistan and its people.

[gadoonwal]

pashtuns are over 55 millions and have great sources and mines.
In pashtunkhwa we have gas,oil in karak,the largest sugar -cane we produce in asia.
Mardan,s sugar mill is the beggest one in asia.
World,s best tobaco produced in swabi.
Pakistan every year making billions of dollars from pashtun products and crops.
The forestry,rivers,lush green fertile land and stratigic location will make pakhtunistan/pakhtunkhwa an ideal country.
This is what abdali baba and khushal baba dream for.

I do,nt understand why people are scared of pakhtun unity?

[Talal]

I believe I have made a post in the wrong thread.

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[Vodkazai]

I want a Loy Khorasan where all Iranic people can live to together and practice our ancient customs and religion that is 5000 years old!Not some Arab/Paki culture or ideology.

Marg bar Pashtoonistan, zindabad Khorasan!

[Shahidulla]

Loy Pakistan no doubt about it.

loy kotak sta de sar ta

[Sarbani]

Of course. Ethnicity always comes before any artificial nationality.

[Sarbani]

What I really fail to understand is how even the Sindhis have founded their own liberation army in Pakistan whereas we Pashtuns haven't...

[gadoonwal]

I want a Loy Khorasan where all Iranic people can live to together and practice our ancient customs and religion that is 5000 years old!Not some Arab/Paki culture or ideology.

Marg bar Pashtoonistan, zindabad Khorasan!

keep dreaming son.
If you realy want loy kharasan (mean in pashtu ,donkey and horses) then unite two province of iran north and south khar-asan and declare it khar-asan.
We have claim on sestan and north kharasan.These two provinces are belong to pashtuns.Even today pashtuns live there in small numbers.
We will move as far as bandar-abas to get access to sea.

death to the enemy of pashtuns.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

you seems to be real pashtun hater.
pashtunistan is the richest land in sources.
we got rivers,fertile land,gas,mines,forests,stratigic routs and you name it.
If we got no indsitries then there is reason,,,,,,,discrimination,,,,,,,,,,,.
punjos not building industries in our land and pashtun like you still support them.
what your poor punjab got?
just wheat?
we are the largest producer of sugar and tobaco in the whole of aisa so wake first before make comments.
we have gas in karak and hangu area.
if we get control over our rivers the pashtunkhwa will export wheat etc to other countries.

Lol,

I want my pashtun people to accept their mistakes.Unless we will remain so forever.

Sorry But Pashtun land on Pakistan hardly has any significant reserves neither has a fertile land similar to Punjab or Southern Sindh.

The only Region in KPK with complete fertile lands are bannu,DIK,(Originally saraiki people),haripur(HIndowan region)

I talk on facts not from my brain.

1-Karak Gas field has Total risked reserves of 1.1TCF while recoverable stands at 0.95tcf to last for only the next 16 years or 14 years.Initially it was not considered to even extract them since anything below 1tcf is not commercially viable to extract for poor countries like Pakistan which rely on foriegn imported technology to extract them But after the discovery of Oil in ghoriwal and surdag the MOL also considered extracting them

Now compare this with balochistan 12tcf sui reserves or Zin block 23-24Tcf reserves.

COmpare this with Punjab toot gas field reserves of 9tcf and Sindh recoverable TCF reserves stand at 64tcf.

Gas reserves in KPK are hardly 2-3% of Total Pakistan Gas reserves discovered in Non pashtun regions.

Punjab Agri culture output is 68% of Total Pakistan and Agriculture accounts for more than 40% of Pakistan GDP or more than 100Billion dollars.

Sindh has 184Billion tons of Coal reserves and Only 2nd to USA and India in the world.

Mianwali was extremely rich in Gas and oil reserves but KPK ******* ANP didnt even cared to bring it back under the umbrella of Bannu district.

The mari gas field reserves are upgraded to 3tcf recently and 7k Barrel oil is extracted per day of total 41k extract through Pakistan.

The only Pashtun Dominated region rich with resources is FATA

Those claims of Marble and all such small reserves indeed exist but they don't even contribute in total 1billion dollars.

KPK revenue is hell alot of small.In near future Balochsitan with 3time less population will leave us behind in revenue.

For the best of KPK is to merge FATA withitself Which is rich in Oil/Gas aswell as rich in very high quality coal reserves(Comparable or even better coal reserves than chakwal)

The Coal quality of Chakwal is comparable to indonesian but the reserves are small.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Agriculture in Pakistan which accounts half of Pakistan GDP