Do you want a united Pashtunistan, Pukhtunistan, Loy Afghanistan?

[Happy Khan]

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[Adam]

You wont find many Pashtuns living in Pakistan on this forum

[randolph85]

Awal za Pakistani yam aw za khpal watan (Pakistan) ke nor "partition" na ghwarram.

If Pashtuns separatists form their own country they will undoubtedly and inevitably fail due to a lack of education, resources and access to the sea.

Pashtuns' (and all other ethnicities') best interest is to remain in Pakistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Loy Afghanistan=Never since the concept of merger already fail if tajik is to remain in the country.Because than what is the cause of seperating from Pakistan

pashtunsitan,May be.Not sure though yet

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Even pashtunistan is a failed concept if it doesnt has access to warm waters

[vinyard80]

Loy Awghanistan died with Daud Khan and parchamis-khalqis. Most of pakistani pashtuns are proud pakistani citizens and in afghanistan right now most of non pashtuns (Actually even many pashtuns) are against this dream.

There is no Durrand Line. Its an international border recognized by the whole international community. I won't chase like a dog after those who don't wanna belong to my country. If pakistan pashtuns wanna become afghans then they should take the first step.

[vinyard80]

Even pashtunistan is a failed concept if it doesnt has access to warm waters

According afghan pashtun nationalist baluchistan is pashtunistan lol. Poor guys. Never seen any pakistani baluch standing for loy awghanistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

According afghan pashtun nationalist baluchistan is pashtunistan lol. Poor guys. Never seen any pakistani baluch standing for loy awghanistan.

Balochistan historically has been always part of Iran

Ofcourse the present Afghanistan was merged out of many other smaller states such as

*Gwadar from Oman
*Southern pakhtunkhwa or Godar from Afghanistan
*central balochistan(60% of modern Balochistan) from Iran
*Las bela State from Sindh.

Next year in 2015 Balochistan will be divided into 3 provinces.(A total of 14 provinces to be created in Pakistan)

*Central balochistan with no access to sea
*Southern pakhtuknkhwa with quetta as capital
*Gwadar Province with the whole Coastal boundry of Balochistan including the ancient las bela state.

Pashtunistan has always been a insignificant region throughout the history,

Modern Afghanistan has importance only because the Khorosan region got merged with it otherwise the Pashtunistan region never was conquered by any force because of it zero significance.

Whole of the Geography of pashtunistan region is mountainous and extremely less arable land.Even the Afghanistan Ghori and ghaznavi's had their capitals in Punjab(Historic Punjab include Pakistani punjab,indian punjab,Haryana,Modern delhi and parts of Utharkand such as shimla)

Punjab was conquered always because it was a important land since agriculture favourable land was considered equal to Gold.Punjab still is one of the world best agriculture land.

The pashtunistan region be it on Pakistan side or Afghanistan side has zero resouces and no Arable land.

In Pakistan all the resources such as Gas and coal are in Sindh,Other minerals are in balochistan.KPK apart from river suited for Hydropower dam has nothing else to offer.while punjab is agriculture

In Afghanistan the pashtunistan region has noting at all and all the resources are in The ancient khorosan region of Afghanistan

Pashtunistan map in pakistan and Afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunistan

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

So what your saying is that Pashtunistan isnt good since a to the economics of Pashtun people?

Aslo ur Paxtun (by birth) right?

Pashtunsitan is good only if we had industries and all other resources in pashtunistan including access to sea

Now if Pashtunistan got formed what will we do?

*Literacy rate less than 50%
*No industry at all
*Again begging to Pakistan or iran for sea access
*Extremely less per capita
*Pakistan has given access to Afghanistan only because of pakistani pashtusn while iran because of persian speaking tajik and uzbek.Now if a united pashtunistan is formed neither pakistan nor Iran will offer us access to sea or atleast not as cheap as afghanistan is getting now.Hence more mess
*We can never get Balochistan since Both Pakistan and iran will not want this to happen and we even combined by 3014 won't be as much powerful to defeat any of the both state
*because of poverty and illeteracy,We will be busy killing each other for Badal and all this stuff as we are doing now in tribal region's.

what the hell will we gain from This?

This is the reason i want Pakistani pashtuns to remain with Pakistan and get developed

Afghanistan pashtuns witht he help of west and america are already growing with 10% and after 3-4 decades.The situation will have changed alot.

[Smarty]

Balochistan historically has been always part of Iran

Ofcourse the present Afghanistan was merged out of many other smaller states such as

*Gwadar from Oman
*Southern pakhtunkhwa or Godar from Afghanistan
*central balochistan(60% of modern Balochistan) from Iran
*Las bela State from Sindh.

Next year in 2015 Balochistan will be divided into 3 provinces.(A total of 14 provinces to be created in Pakistan)

*Central balochistan with no access to sea
*Southern pakhtuknkhwa with quetta as capital
*Gwadar Province with the whole Coastal boundry of Balochistan including the ancient las bela state.

Pashtunistan has always been a insignificant region throughout the history,

Modern Afghanistan has importance only because the Khorosan region got merged with it otherwise the Pashtunistan region never was conquered by any force because of it zero significance.

Whole of the Geography of pashtunistan region is mountainous and extremely less arable land.Even the Afghanistan Ghori and ghaznavi's had their capitals in Punjab(Historic Punjab include Pakistani punjab,indian punjab,Haryana,Modern delhi and parts of Utharkand such as shimla)

Punjab was conquered always because it was a important land since agriculture favourable land was considered equal to Gold.Punjab still is one of the world best agriculture land.

The pashtunistan region be it on Pakistan side or Afghanistan side has zero resouces and no Arable land.

In Pakistan all the resources such as Gas and coal are in Sindh,Other minerals are in balochistan.KPK apart from river suited for Hydropower dam has nothing else to offer.while punjab is agriculture

In Afghanistan the pashtunistan region has noting at all and all the resources are in The ancient khorosan region of Afghanistan

Pashtunistan map in pakistan and Afghanistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunistan

Your punjabi lords have misinformed you that kpk has nothing to offer...largest natural gas reservoir of pakistan is in the karak, khyber pakhtunkhwa.
Moreover KPK is self sufficient in wheat but some times faces shortage due to smuggling to afghanistan. Largest production of maize and tobacco is in the kpk.
Dont try to fool members here in my presence

[gadoonwal]

Greater pashtunistan is reality and it will happen.
All pashtun supporting punjabi state must cross indus river and live there.
A gerati pakhtun will never follow the idealogy of jinah and his punjabi establishment.

Those supporting pakistan need to know that in democratic pakistan they will always be ruled by punjabis.
Punjabis will steal your sources and will treat you like 3rd class citezens.
I wonder how can a pure blood pakhtun still support pakistan when the paki army daily bombing pashtuns .
The entire waziristani people moved to di khan and tank.
They are killing our brothers in waziristan and we will support them ,come on.
where is gerat here?
where is pashtunwali and so called slogan of namos here.

I want freedon and identity for pashutns.
we want our own pashtu language to be eyerywhere in my beloved country.
Let us not fool ourself in the name of islam.
All geratmand pashtuns wake up and destroy and burn down every sign of pakistanyath in pashtunkhwa.
Burn down the dirty flag of munefqath of britishistan.
pakistan da pakhtun lapara kanzal aw paigor day.
We will be finished on both side of durandline.
From one side punjabis will farther divide our land into pieces and will take everything from us cus pashtuns are good in killing eachother but they act like cows in front of paki army.
On the westren side our brothers will suffer the sameway.Our holy pashtu will be replaced by farsi in pashtun dominated areas.Pashtun will lose their culture to iranian culture etc.The pure pashtuns will always be disadvantage.They have to learn farsi to servive.
From amu to abaseen be united and push these hindostanis and persain out of our land.
Those who want to live among us must respect pashtu and learn it or they can go back to where they come from.

Supporting pakistan is like supporting your killer.
This is kafir state founded by britishes to serve their interests.

[Loy Afghanistan]

hHAHAHAHAHAH BANU DANU KUNI, the guy who gets orgasm feel towards other men, are coming with his Panj baboonian research on natural resourcers.

And then there is ZALIM a ******* mix raced, who doesn't even know his ethnicity. Toobaa toobaa. I see only peasants here talking the big talk. Why did we loose so much power that we must argue with bunch of low life sub humans, who comes to Pashtunforum and doesn't even know what Pashtun stands for.

Real Pashtuns don't mix outside race, trust me on this one. Real hardcore PASHTUNS DON'T MIX outside ethnicity, never do since 8000 years back.

[vinyard80]

hHAHAHAHAHAH BANU DANU KUNI, the guy who gets orgasm feel towards other men, are coming with his Panj baboonian research on natural resourcers.

And then there is ZALIM a ******* mix raced, who doesn't even know his ethnicity. Toobaa toobaa. I see only peasants here talking the big talk. Why did we loose so much power that we must argue with bunch of low life sub humans, who comes to Pashtunforum and doesn't even know what Pashtun stands for.

Real Pashtuns don't mix outside race, trust me on this one. Real hardcore PASHTUNS DON'T MIX outside ethnicity, never do since 8000 years back.

I know many pashtuns girls and boys married to non pashtun girls/boys.

One of the largest pashtun tribe, ghilzay, are originally a turkic tribe known as "khilij". Yusufzais claim to be originally persians. Ahmad Shah Durrani brought to kandahar thousand of indian slaves after his raids in india thats why so many kandaharis have indian features. Many pashtuns from pakistan specially in lahore and karachi have married punjabi and sindhis just look at ustad awal mir or hameed gul and so on.

You live in a candy world with no real contact with ground reality. Pashtuns are as mixed as any other ethnic group in the world.

[DSM0305]

People stop fooling yourself. Pashtun land is full of resources, literally worth many trillions $. I haven't researched Pakistani side of Pashtun land, but in the Afghan side there is copper, iron, ordinary metal, rare metal, gas and many other resources. There is minimum 3 trillion $ worth of resources, but if further investigation regarding resources in Afghanistan is made, there can be found even beyond that.

[Smarty]

Guys this forum is not intended to promote hate. If your going to be racist, homophobic and just plain ignorant. Please dont comment.

Just want Pros and Cons of Pukhtunistan so we have a good debate

Baluchis are also calling for independence
Baluch activists march on Pakistan capital - YouTube

I am just curious whether KPK and North Baluchistan will be next.

You are insulting balochs by comparing them with pashtuns, there is no independence movement among us.
1- Balochs have history of armed struggles against pakistan, pakhtuns have none. Paki Pakhtuns have served the interests of pakistan in 1948 war, 1965 war, afghan jihad , taliban movement of 90s and kashmir jihad.
2- Balochs despite being a warrior have avoided joining army on the other hand pashtuns have heavy presence in paramilitary and military forces.
3- Military operations in FATA and KPK were supposed to arouse separatist sentiments in pakhtuns but instead it produced taliban who just want to bring sharia in islamabad. On the other hand military actions againsa balochs have intensified their struggle for azad balochistan.
4- The pashtun nationalists of pakistan have accepted pakistan a reality, ANP erected largest paki flag in peshawer, they wave paki flags in their ceremonies.