Ahmad Shah Masood's Racial Views

[IvNoName]

ivnoname needs to translate this ...i don't understand most of it

Here you go:

... The people who are called Tajik are the original inhabitants of this region [Afghanistan] by historical accounts... Wherever you find Tajiks they're in the cities, and they control the commerce... [Names some cities] if you go there you see they control the businesses... And later on other people like Uzbeks settled in the region and finally people from the south, the Pashtuns.

These people [Pashtuns] three hundred years ago had no culture... No civilization... No mechanical technology... And they're still like that... These people [Pashtuns] started from the south and finally took over the government [of Afghanistan]... And this government has continued until today... I explained of all this because in my later talks I'll be touching on these issues...

This is a touchy issue ... that Pashtuns, slowly came from the south and took over the government... And they established a Tribal and family run government in Afghanistan.



What he was talking about is the Ahmadzai clan, but then either by malice or ignorance he lumps all Pashtuns with the Ahmadzai. I mean, Ahmadzai were more hated by other Pashtuns than even Tajiks.

[khushal]

He spoke the truth.

Most of pashtun leaders of afghanistan were or are puppets: shah shujah, ahmad shah durrani, dost muhammad, amir abdul rahman khan, nadir khan, gulbudin, taraki, amin, najeeb, karzai,.. all of them country sellers. Bacha Saqaw was dethroned by a brit puppet, nadir khan. Thats also true. And basically pashtunism is main reason why our country is so backward. After all pashtuns ruled our land for more than two century and we gained no progress.

Facts are facts. As a pashtun I would like to ask you to stop with your BS´s.

Well its how you perceive it. Shah Shuja was a puppet but if one asks shah shuja if he was a puppet, he would say, "nope, I paid the brits for their service with the koh e nur, the brits were my puppets." Besides the brits were kicked out by a Pashtun Dost Mohammad's son.

Whos puppet was Ahmed shah of?

Abdur Rahman, nadir khan, gulbadin, taraki, amin and bacha saqow cant be called puppets since they fought their own battles, they can be criticized for their policies but not labeled puppets. The ones who are puppets are the people that have been directly installed by foreign militaries like the people who are in power today and others like Karmel and Najib.

The thing is its very easy to see through your BS. Pashtun puppets were dethroned by Pashtuns, not Tajiks and Tajiks were russified in Tajikistan. They could not defend themselves because it is not in your culture to resist, it is in your culture to bend over. You should be thinking those Pashtuns who have defended your arse in Afghanistan from being Russified.
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[vinyard80]

Well its how you perceive it. Shah Shuja was a puppet but if one asks shah shuja if he was a puppet, he would say, "nope, I paid the brits for their service with the koh e nur, the brits were my puppets." Besides the brits were kicked out by a Pashtun named Dost Mohammad's son.

Whos puppet was Ahmed shah of?

Abdur Rahman, nadir khan, gulbadin, taraki, amin and bacha saqow cant be called puppets since they fought their own battles, they can be criticized for their policies but not labeled puppets. The ones who are puppets are the people that have been directly installed by foreign militaries like the people who are in power today and others like Karmel and Najib.

The thing is its very easy to see through your BS. Pashtun puppets were dethroned by Pashtuns, not Tajiks and Tajiks were russified in Tajikistan. They could not defend themselves because it is not in your culture to resist, it is in your culture to bend over. You should be thinking those Pashtuns who have defended your arse in Afghanistan from being Russified.
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Massoud was not installed by foreign militaries.. but you still call him iranian and tajik puppet. I owned you with your own words LOL

All of them were a bunch of sold out country sellers. Ahmad Shah Durrani was a sexual slave of Nadir Shah of Iran. He killed more pashtuns than Massoud after all he used the non pashtuns to drive out his own ghilzai-hotak brothers from Kandahar and you now call him "baba" lmao.

Since most of soviet operations took place in north and west afghanistan and some place of east afghanistan under jamiati control your point makes no sense. Its hilarious how proud you are of pashtun wars but you haven't ever been in one. You look down on tajikistan and uzbekistan but I bet they enjoy a better life than most of pashtuns.

Internet warriors.. xD

[vinyard80]

Here you go:

... The people who are called Tajik are the original inhabitants of this region [Afghanistan] by historical accounts... Wherever you find Tajiks they're in the cities, and they control the commerce... [Names some cities] if you go there you see they control the businesses... And later on other people like Uzbeks settled in the region and finally people from the south, the Pashtuns.

These people [Pashtuns] three hundred years ago had no culture... No civilization... No mechanical technology... And they're still like that... These people [Pashtuns] started from the south and finally took over the government [of Afghanistan]... And this government has continued until today... I explained of all this because in my later talks I'll be touching on these issues...

This is a touchy issue ... that Pashtuns, slowly came from the south and took over the government... And they established a Tribal and family run government in Afghanistan.



What he was talking about is the Ahmadzai clan, but then either by malice or ignorance he lumps all Pashtuns with the Ahmadzai. I mean, Ahmadzai were more hated by other Pashtuns than even Tajiks.

So what? Thats true. There are enough proofs on tajik presence in what is know as afghanistan. But prior hotakis you can no name one single pashtun empire in khorasan or aryana. Its all fairy tales created thanks to patta khazzana a fake book rejected by most of scholars in the world. Just check tarikh al hind of al biruni where he call to us "indian tribe". And that was like one thousand years ago during mahmud ghaznawi raids against india.

[IvNoName]

So what? Thats true. There are enough proofs on tajik presence in what is know as afghanistan. But prior hotakis you can no name one single pashtun empire in khorasan or aryana. Its all fairy tales created thanks to patta khazzana a fake book rejected by most of scholars in the world. Just check tarikh al hind of al biruni where he call to us "indian tribe". And that was like one thousand years ago during mahmud ghaznawi raids against india.

I'm a Pashtun. Only my grandfather on the mother side is Tajik.

[vinyard80]

I'm a Pashtun. Only my grandfather on the mother side is Tajik.

So.. what? And I am half pashtun half tajik. So what? Whats your point?

[Reactants]

Here you go:

... The people who are called Tajik are the original inhabitants of this region [Afghanistan] by historical accounts... Wherever you find Tajiks they're in the cities, and they control the commerce... [Names some cities] if you go there you see they control the businesses... And later on other people like Uzbeks settled in the region and finally people from the south, the Pashtuns.

These people [Pashtuns] three hundred years ago had no culture... No civilization... No mechanical technology... And they're still like that... These people [Pashtuns] started from the south and finally took over the government [of Afghanistan]... And this government has continued until today... I explained of all this because in my later talks I'll be touching on these issues...

This is a touchy issue ... that Pashtuns, slowly came from the south and took over the government... And they established a Tribal and family run government in Afghanistan.



What he was talking about is the Ahmadzai clan, but then either by malice or ignorance he lumps all Pashtuns with the Ahmadzai. I mean, Ahmadzai were more hated by other Pashtuns than even Tajiks.

good one

he sounds racist me

[IvNoName]

So.. what? And I am half pashtun half tajik. So what? Whats your point?

The point is that race has no meaning in Afghanistan, its all about where you from and how far back you go where you have lived.

I'm a Kabuli, and that is how I will be received by other Afghans and that is how I'm conditioned. And so were my forefathers and present next of kin.

[IvNoName]

good one

he sounds racist me

I think so too. I have lost respect for him after listening to this clip. He sounds unintelligent and ignorant.

[khushal]

Massoud was not installed by foreign militaries.. but you still call him iranian and tajik puppet. I owned you with your own words LOL

All of them were a bunch of sold out country sellers. Ahmad Shah Durrani was a sexual slave of Nadir Shah of Ir-an. He killed more pashtuns than Massoud after all he used the non pashtuns to drive out his own ghilzai-hotak brothers from Kandahar and you now call him "baba" lmao.

Since most of soviet operations took place in north and west afghanistan and some place of east afghanistan under jamiati control your point makes no sense. Its hilarious how proud you are of pashtun wars but you haven't ever been in one. You look down on tajikistan and uzbekistan but I bet they enjoy a better life than most of pashtuns.

Internet warriors.. xD

Ghula,
I didn't call masoud a puppet. I called him a fascist.
Masouds grandfather ran away and left his fellow tajiks behind in Tajikistan so they can be raped by the Russians and be russified and now the only pure tajiks left are the ones that were protected by Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

The Russian operations were strictly in Pashtun areas. Masoud never fought.
http://www.rawa.org/massoud_ussr.htm

Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are no longer Tajiks and Uzbeks. They are now Russkies and their biggest export are mail order brides. Those mail order brides are enjoying their life in America at the expense of selling their arse though.

[Reactants]

Ghula,
I didn't call masoud a puppet. I called him a fascist.
Masouds grandfather ran away and left his fellow tajiks behind in Tajikistan so they can be raped by the Russians and be russified and now the only pure tajiks left are the ones that were protected by Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

The Russian operations were strictly in Pashtun areas. Masoud never fought.
http://www.rawa.org/massoud_ussr.htm

Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are no longer Tajiks and Uzbeks. They are now Russkies and their biggest export are mail order brides. Those mail order brides are enjoying their life in America at the expense of selling their arse though.

false kiddo

he fought russians in the beginning but later signed a truce with them

[khushal]

false kiddo

he fought russians in the beginning but later signed a truce with them

Nah, they were all fake. WE have a thread about it.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk/15841.htm

[IvNoName]

Nah, they were all fake. WE have a thread about it.
http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk/15841.htm

He did fight, and the people of Panjsheer suffered a lot. There is no questioning that. In fact it was the Russians who made peace with him so he woul keep the Salang pass open.

But in 1987 he did block the Salang pass and that cut all essential supplies to Kabul. The Russians had to fly everything. There was food shortage, fuel shortage and it was like a siege.

[khushal]

He did fight, and the people of Panjsheer suffered a lot. There is no questioning that. In fact it was the Russians who made peace with him so he woul keep the Salang pass open.

But in 1987 he did block the Salang pass and that cut all essential supplies to Kabul. The Russians had to fly everything. There was food shortage, fuel shortage and it was like a siege.

not according to the soviet general, the skirmishes were all faked. He was obedient from the beginning. Kabul was even given to him by the Russians after najib fell.

And it wasn't the russians who approached, it was najib that approached him when he was the head of Khad.

[Reactants]

not according to the soviet general, the skirmishes were all faked. He was obedient from the beginning. Kabul was even given to him by the Russians after najib fell.

troll much

kiddo?