last thread for a while but how did arabs spread islam in afghanistan

[DSM0305]

many say that
Pashtuns who oppose the Taliban claim that the Taliban is trying to destroy Pashtun
culture and make them more like arabs

many Persians are the same that use to support the shah of iran
claim islam is trying to destroy the Persian culture

Afghanistan was a bhuddhist and hindu country before the arabs invaded according to google

isn't the conversion to islam a huge change for Pashtuns from bhuddism and Hinduism

According to evolution humans evolved from apes. So lets stay and act like apes to make sure we don't destroy our ''culture''? Lets say you don't buy the ape theory, then according to historical facts, all humans were hunters and gatherers. So lets all remain hunters and gatherers to make sure we don't destroy our ''culture'' and maintain our forefathers culture?

[Loy Afghanistan]

you are a moron and lack knowledge of Afghan and Islamic history.

You argument is invalid. You go to personal attack. Just STFU little man. Give some accurate knowledge about the topic or don't comment ****!!

[Khostai]

Pashtuns need more Pashtun historians

what was Pashtun culture and religion before invasion of the arabs

is it Buddhism and Hinduism

and aren't those two religions very different from islam

hence wouldn't Pashtun culture under Buddhism be very different then Pashtun culture under islam

Before Islam, main religion if Pashtuns was Budhism some were zaroastrian, Pashtuns were no hindu, if we were than our culture would look like that of Punjabis.....

But to be honest there are no records of how Pashtun culture was before Islam. But probably just some nomadic culture.

[Khostai]

The proverb has two versions which might have been heard by many Pashtuns.
Pashto neem kufar dey or Pashto neema musalmani da(Pashto is half Islam/Islamism)
This proverb has a sense if you consider Islam and Islamism the same. How can you tolerate Pashto music, dance, customs, marriage and other ceremonies, Pashtuns kochis with no purdah, deciding matters by Jerga not by Quran/hadith, Pashtun nationalism, no inheritance for women, traditions like swara, selling of daughters, murdering for honor and property etc .

If you do not accept my version of conversion of Pashtuns, then please enlighten us how Pashtuns were converted to Islam?

He is one of those who belive in the stories that Pashtuns are Bani Israel and were muslim since the creation of the world :P.

[gadoonwal]

Pashtun leader of that time Qais Abdurasheed was invited to arabia along with 70 pashtun eldrs where him and others, converted to islam.
Later the entire pashtun nation converted to islam.
The meeting was arranged by khalid bin waleed.
Qais was not his real name.His name was changed after conversion to islam.
Qais baba was from the mountain of zjob in southren pashtunkhwa where pashtun originated from.
However according to others historain Qais baba was from Ghor.
The Ghurids were pashtuns not persains.
Nowdays persain can claim on anything.

[Kushan Prince]

Pashtun leader of that time Qais Abdurasheed was invited to arabia along with 70 pashtun eldrs where him and others, converted to islam.
Later the entire pashtun nation converted to islam.
The meeting was arranged by khalid bin waleed.
Qais was not his real name.His name was changed after conversion to islam.
Qais baba was from the mountain of zjob in southren pashtunkhwa where pashtun originated from.
However according to others historain Qais baba was from Ghor.
The Ghurids were pashtuns not persains.
Nowdays persain can claim on anything.

But how can "pashtun elders" been have with him if all pashtuns originate from his sons? You see, this is why this theory is completely wrong and makes no sense.

And Qais was believed to have been buried in Zhob, he wasn't from there. Pashtuns originally come from Central Afg not balochistan.

[pashtun2121]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Temples_of_Kabul

apparently Hinduism was in Afghanistan and if you research on google their were hindu temples and Buddhist temples still around before the Taliban destroyed them

it would be weird if Buddhism spread from india skipped Punjab and went straight into Afghanistan

google shows Punjab was also a hindu Buddhist

their is a theory that arabs had slaughtered many of the elder Pashtuns at the time as Pashtuns didn't have much of a martial culture and took many of the kids and orphans and raised them Islamic mercenary's

hence why so many Pashtuns fought under turks Persians and arabs afterwards

that Pashtuns were peaceful hindu Buddhist that the arabs eliminated huge chunk of the elders and destroyed the culture and rebuilt it to use Pashtuns as Islamic soldiers

[Khostai]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Temples_of_Kabul

apparently Hinduism was in Afghanistan and if you research on google their were hindu temples and Buddhist temples still around before the Taliban destroyed them

it would be weird if Buddhism spread from india skipped Punjab and went straight into Afghanistan

google shows Punjab was also a hindu Buddhist

their is a theory that arabs had slaughtered many of the elder Pashtuns at the time as Pashtuns didn't have much of a martial culture and took many of the kids and orphans and raised them Islamic mercenary's

hence why so many Pashtuns fought under turks Persians and arabs afterwards

that Pashtuns were peaceful hindu Buddhist that the arabs eliminated huge chunk of the elders and destroyed the culture and rebuilt it to use Pashtuns as Islamic soldiers

Those were the tempels of the Hindus that are still around in Kabul, you can also find jewish synagoge in Herat that doesn't mean Herat was complete jewish city. majority was Budhist only some were zaroastrian and a chunk of Hindus roamed around.....That is how Afghanistan was before Islam up to north Zaroastrianism was more dominant.

And I repeat if Afghanistan was majority hindu than our culture and way of live would be the same like that of Punjab.

[Loy Afghanistan]

WHY DOES PEOPLE ALWAYS GO OFF-TOPIC talking ABOUT SHHIITT and not about the topic HOW DID SAVAGE ARABS bring their version of our monolithic religion to Pashtuns?

And I can answer that to you, how they did it to our neighbouring cousins throw mass enslavement, mass rape, mass murderer, burn down the schools, universities, did you know the "Mosque and minaret" was there centuries years before Islam, it was a school specific for teaching of astronomy.

They did the same with Pashtuns, but they could not break Pashtun spirit, so they did what was the only thing that can destroy Pashtuns. They made a civil war, so Pashtuns tribes divided can destroy each other easiest way. Like many of my intelligent brothers speak here, how did majority of laws written in Islam is followed in 5000-8000 years old Pashtunwali or for that matter the Avesta oldest book in human history and accepted by the scientific world?

We Pashtuns has always stayed together against outside enemy and WON, never have we lost united, remember that.

Pashtuns has always lived in the area since the proof of Avesta and Sanskrit whom is written on a very old Pashtun dialect. First of all in the past maps of Ariana, all people spoke Pashto in our province. And hence of our monolithic religion that was so popular by the time and influenced all other religions like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc.

All of these ideologies, and religions have 90 % similarity and you trace back to the oldest origin of books and that is Avesta-Sanskrit book.

I give you proof and source, if you don't believe, start reading and compare these things, I don't want nothing more from you guys, just be open minded and stop with these personal attacks when you get destroyed in a argument provided proof/source and logical thinking.

I understand you, if you read and afterwards says I don't believe in the source, fine, you choice your way, and I choice my way and Insallah, we can be friends and might meet some way in the middle.


Right now we are talking pre-arabization of Pashtunistan. And no majority of Pashtuns were not Buddhism, the first religion who was dominated in the area were Zoroastrian. Why they were other religion in the area is simply because of business merchants, the mighty and famous silk road did go trough Pashtunlands and are the central and heart of Asia were West meets East etc.

Later of course Pashtuns did many things for Islam, we made those cow worshipping Punjabis civilized, but yet they remain cowards (bowing down for all super power and their racist class system). One peoples unity I admired are the Sikh, nobody could break those Sikh and their faith for many millenniums, that is what I call a strong unity and identity.

[ډګروال]

WHY DOES PEOPLE ALWAYS GO OFF-TOPIC talking ABOUT SHHIITT and not about the topic HOW DID SAVAGE ARABS bring their version of our monolithic religion to Pashtuns?

And I can answer that to you, how they did it to our neighbouring cousins throw mass enslavement, mass rape, mass murderer, burn down the schools, universities, did you know the "Mosque and minaret" was there centuries years before Islam, it was a school specific for teaching of astronomy.

They did the same with Pashtuns, but they could not break Pashtun spirit, so they did what was the only thing that can destroy Pashtuns. They made a civil war, so Pashtuns tribes divided can destroy each other easiest way. Like many of my intelligent brothers speak here, how did majority of laws written in Islam is followed in 5000-8000 years old Pashtunwali or for that matter the Avesta oldest book in human history and accepted by the scientific world?

We Pashtuns has always stayed together against outside enemy and WON, never have we lost united, remember that.

Pashtuns has always lived in the area since the proof of Avesta and Sanskrit whom is written on a very old Pashtun dialect. First of all in the past maps of Ariana, all people spoke Pashto in our province. And hence of our monolithic religion that was so popular by the time and influenced all other religions like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc.

All of these ideologies, and religions have 90 % similarity and you trace back to the oldest origin of books and that is Avesta-Sanskrit book.

I give you proof and source, if you don't believe, start reading and compare these things, I don't want nothing more from you guys, just be open minded and stop with these personal attacks when you get destroyed in a argument provided proof/source and logical thinking.

I understand you, if you read and afterwards says I don't believe in the source, fine, you choice your way, and I choice my way and Insallah, we can be friends and might meet some way in the middle.


Right now we are talking pre-arabization of Pashtunistan. And no majority of Pashtuns were not Buddhism, the first religion who was dominated in the area were Zoroastrian. Why they were other religion in the area is simply because of business merchants, the mighty and famous silk road did go trough Pashtunlands and are the central and heart of Asia were West meets East etc.

Later of course Pashtuns did many things for Islam, we made those cow worshipping Punjabis civilized, but yet they remain cowards (bowing down for all super power and their racist class system). One peoples unity I admired are the Sikh, nobody could break those Sikh and their faith for many millenniums, that is what I call a strong unity and identity.

you and your identity crisis.

people such as you who have nothing in common with Pashtuns will jump around like monkies.

Islam is superior to Pashtuns and Pashtun culture and if there is something in my culutre that is against Islam we shall reform.

as for people such as you , you cant venture around in Pashtun lands whn you have so much hatred for Pashtuns ,our Religion and culture.

for people such as you and "pashtun"2121 i feel sorry and you guys will have to do more than just following a strict reintegration process.

thats why people such as you guys are always into race and blood because you guys dont have anything to do with Pashtuns culturally.

thats why you guys are looking to find an identity somewhere before Islam while Pashtuns are 100% muslim.

[ډګروال]

But how can "pashtun elders" been have with him if all pashtuns originate from his sons? You see, this is why this theory is completely wrong and makes no sense.

And Qais was believed to have been buried in Zhob, he wasn't from there. Pashtuns originally come from Central Afg not balochistan.

Qais was not the first Pashtun.
why are you guys so ignorant?

so far the most credible and unbiased sources show that Pashtuns are from Bani Israel ,which makes them followers of the Prophets and believers of Allah(swt).

thats why Pashtun culture is close to Islam.

[Loy Afghanistan]

you and your identity crisis.

people such as you who have nothing in common with Pashtuns will jump around like monkies.

Islam is superior to Pashtuns and Pashtun culture and if there is something in my culutre that is against Islam we shall reform.

as for people such as you , you cant venture around in Pashtun lands whn you have so much hatred for Pashtuns ,our Religion and culture.

for people such as you and "pashtun"2121 i feel sorry and you guys will have to do more than just following a strict reintegration process.

thats why people such as you guys are always into race and blood because you guys dont have anything to do with Pashtuns culturally.

thats why you guys are looking to find an identity somewhere before Islam while Pashtuns are 100% muslim.

Again with personal attacks. Listen you little man. I am talking about history, not the present time. I am muslim, nothing in this planet or universe can change that. But you have deeply barbarian mindset, you have no civilized manners in arguments. SO STFU. I TOLD YOU!, don't comment on personal attacks. ARGUE with facts and some logical THINKING!!

This is why, you will always be a little man and loose arguments. Brothers I show you proof, why you can't argue with animal savages behind computer, who lack logical thinking. Delusional people calls me identity crises. funny guy you are little man. If you are from educated family, ask them about these thoughts I present to you, if you are from a peasant family and got your education in western or Arabic modern time, well, you need a lot of experience to talk about such things as pre Islam history.

[ډګروال]

Again with personal attacks. Listen you little man. I am talking about history, not the present time. I am muslim, nothing in this planet or universe can change that. But you have deeply barbarian mindset, you have no civilized manners in arguments. SO STFU. I TOLD YOU!, don't comment on personal attacks. ARGUE with facts and some logical THINKING!!

This is why, you will always be a little man and loose arguments. Brothers I show you proof, why you can't argue with animal savages behind computer, who lack logical thinking. Delusional people calls me identity crises. funny guy you are little man. If you are from educated family, ask them about these thoughts I present to you, if you are from a peasant family and got your education in western or Arabic modern time, well, you need a lot of experience to talk about such things as pre Islam history.

Its not my fault that you cant identify with pashtuns culturally or religiously.

atleast be honest about your intentions and dont pretend like you are a muslim,anti muslim , pashtun ,anti pashtun at the same time.

argue what? you are the one who has an identity crisis and has the need to get attention.

people such as you rely on pre Islamic period because you are lacking what constitutes a Pashtun.

You call the Islamic warriors and sahaba savages , which means to you Pashtuns are savages as well because they are Muslims as well.

also you say "Pashtun were peaceful budhist before the savage arabs brought Islam".

you sound like Khalilzads wife.

[Kushan Prince]

Qais was not the first Pashtun.
why are you guys so ignorant?

so far the most credible and unbiased sources show that Pashtuns are from Bani Israel ,which makes them followers of the Prophets and believers of Allah(swt).

thats why Pashtun culture is close to Islam.

Try telling Gadoonwal that. He's deliberately trying to put a law bar rhetoric on pashtuns and saying how they originate from across the durand. I'll admit i use to believe in this theory but not anymore since it tries to link pashtuns with bani Israel.

[Loy Afghanistan]

Its not my fault that you cant identify with pashtuns culturally or religiously.

atleast be honest about your intentions and dont pretend like you are a muslim,anti muslim , pashtun ,anti pashtun at the same time.

argue what? you are the one who has an identity crisis and has the need to get attention.

people such as you rely on pre Islamic period because you are lacking what constitutes a Pashtun.

You call the Islamic warriors and sahaba savages , which means to you Pashtuns are savages as well because they are Muslims as well.

also you say "Pashtun were peaceful budhist before the savage arabs brought Islam".

you sound like Khalilzads wife.

My god, you are funny guy little guy. Nice to put your own words into my text, what next, you will accuse me to say Pashtuns were peaceful jews from Israel to?

Well so should I LIE Instead? OK Arabic civilized desert nomads saviours brought Islam to Savages kafir Pashtuns who had wrong faith according to Arabs, they had the right to be beheaded. Pashtuns who believed in one God 1000 years before Arab were nr 1 bacha baz in the world and should die. The Arabs saved us from hell and humiliation. They brought us the light, the showed us the future and the right path, and we all should respect their conquest over Pashtun lands and Pashtun women/children, to bad they didn't destroy our language and Pashtunwali so we all speak Arabic today instead of Pashto like in Iraq and we would have not this PASHTU FORUM it is haram I think. Same with former cow worshippers the panjabis etc who arabic Islam saved from hell fire. They saved us all from hell fire.

I hope you are happy, and when judgement day comes, we will see who will be punishment and who will be saved. I am just a man, I can't say judge other peoples faith, only Allah can do that, remember that little man. You are just a little man, nothing more. You can say what ever you want, but in real life, lets see if you can judge others peoples faith.

But Pashtuns will rise over all, one way or another. Just let us have some peace from foreign influences, and you will see true power of some future Pashtuns leaders.