Protests over NWFP/Pakhtoonkhwa name change

[tor_khan]

Just the headlines from the BBC - read more by following the link:

Security has been tightened in parts of northern Pakistan after violent protests over moves to rename North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

At least five people have been killed since trouble broke out in the Hazara region on Monday.

Hazaras in NWFP are part of a different ethnic group from majority Pashtuns and oppose calling it Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa.

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad says that all except Kohistan district have majorities from the Hindko-speaking population, which is distinct from the Pashto-speaking population elsewhere in NWFP.

From the BBC.


I'm sorry for the dead, and in particular I find this highly ironic of course because don't many Hindkowans claim Pashtoon ancestry? Goes to prove that the road to Pashoon emanicipation is not going to be easy.

[khyaal]

Just the headlines from the BBC - read more by following the link:

Security has been tightened in parts of northern Pakistan after violent protests over moves to rename North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

At least five people have been killed since trouble broke out in the Hazara region on Monday.

Hazaras in NWFP are part of a different ethnic group from majority Pashtuns and oppose calling it Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa.

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad says that all except Kohistan district have majorities from the Hindko-speaking population, which is distinct from the Pashto-speaking population elsewhere in NWFP.

From the BBC.


I'm sorry for the dead, and in particular I find this highly ironic of course because don't many Hindkowans claim Pashtoon ancestry? Goes to prove that the road to Pashoon emanicipation is not going to be easy.

Fakistan is a strange country. If Pashtuns are in minority in the country then they should submit to the majority of Punjab. But in the province where they are in overwhelming majority they have to submit to the will of the minority. With such injustices agaisnt Pashtuns this country hardly seems to survive any more.

[Master Khan]

What idiots
NWFP is about 75% Pashtuns.

[Talal]

Just the headlines from the BBC - read more by following the link:

Security has been tightened in parts of northern Pakistan after violent protests over moves to rename North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

At least five people have been killed since trouble broke out in the Hazara region on Monday.

Hazaras in NWFP are part of a different ethnic group from majority Pashtuns and oppose calling it Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa.

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad says that all except Kohistan district have majorities from the Hindko-speaking population, which is distinct from the Pashto-speaking population elsewhere in NWFP.

From the BBC.


I'm sorry for the dead, and in particular I find this highly ironic of course because don't many Hindkowans claim Pashtoon ancestry? Goes to prove that the road to Pashoon emanicipation is not going to be easy.

Hazaara/Hunza valley people deserve their own province, but since the land mass is not enough they should have been allowed to put their name in the renaming process..it should have been hazaara pakhtunkhwa

In my opinion divisions upto rawalpindi should be merged with the hazara division and made a new province

[Palwasha]

Ahh hardly any of those people in the Hazara region are of that ethnicity, those places are flooded with Punjabi's, Kashmiri's and so on. All of a sudden they have this new found identity of being Hazara. Abbottabad being named after an Englishmen and Haripur being anmed after a Sikh is fine, but the region being named after the majority ethnicity is just pure craziness! (Sarcasm intended)

And boy are they goin crazy over there, especially in Abbottabad. All the roads are blocked, people can't get in or out. No one's opening shops in case they got shot of bombed, people aren't even leaving their houses, so they're running out of food, bread and milk etc.


...oh my days, and little did I know that the riots and anti-movement was being led by Ayub Khan's son, a pakhtun himself! SMH.

~Rant over~

Hazaara/Hunza valley people deserve their own province, but since the land mass is not enough they should have been allowed to put their name in the renaming process..it should have been hazaara pakhtunkhwa

In my opinion divisions upto rawalpindi should be merged with the hazara division and made a new province

Maybe the Hazara's should have their own region, but not sure I agree with 'Hazara-Pakhtunkhwa', their population doesn't even make up half for the region.

People must get bored in Pak, it seems as if they hardly need an excuse for conflict and chaos these days.

[Talal]

^ No khaney we got lots of problems too sis. But unfortunately this is just politicians causing all this mess. And ANP is doing a very job at handling this, ANP minister Bilour recently said on TV in regards to the people who died in these protests " So what ? its just a few people who died ? Whats the big deal "

Bilour is one of the main ANP members who was routing for Pakhtunkhwa name, his comments have further angered these people.

[Palwasha]

^ No khaney we got lots of problems too sis. But unfortunately this is just politicians causing all this mess. And ANP is doing a very job at handling this, ANP minister Bilour recently said on TV in regards to the people who died in these protests " So what ? its just a few people who died ? Whats the big deal "

Bilour is one of the main ANP members who was routing for Pakhtunkhwa name, his comments have further angered these people.

True, they are all out for themselves, very few of them care about the interests of the people. They're all in it for the money, rep and influence. Irritates the hell outta me of how the civilians have to suffer for the greed of these men. And what a terrible comment to make, geez. Inna lillahi wa inna elahi raji'un.

The problems are just building =/

Allah help us all.

[Talal]

Hazaras are a minority.

they can protest their entire life they should realize Majority rules.

Thats a horrible attitude, it will only drive wedges between people. Pashtuns are a minority in Pakistan and i dont think if anybody told them to suck it up they would like it too much

True, they are all out for themselves, very few of them care about the interests of the people. They're all in it for the money, rep and influence. Irritates the hell outta me of how the civilians have to suffer for the greed of these men. And what a terrible comment to make, geez. Inna lillahi wa inna elahi raji'un.

The problems are just building =/

Allah help us all.

Yes politicians and corruption, these are the two root causes of every single problem that Afghanistan and Pakistan are facing today. One thing i admire the westerners for is their political system, which is also their greatest power.

[khyaal]

Hazaras are a minority.

they can protest their entire life they should realize Majority rules.

Pakistan is the strangest country where it rejected the majority rule of Bengalis. And it was the first time in history that majority seceded from minority.

[khyaal]

Hazaara/Hunza valley people deserve their own province, but since the land mass is not enough they should have been allowed to put their name in the renaming process..it should have been hazaara pakhtunkhwa

In my opinion divisions upto rawalpindi should be merged with the hazara division and made a new province

But then Bahawalpur and fromer British Balochistan (the land of Pashtuns in the present Balochistan) do have the right to have their own provinces. I think the pandora has been opened now due the sponsored protests of some of Hazarawal because Hazar too comprise more than 50 percent ethnic pashtun population.

And by that rule Baloch should also be given complete autonomy because the state of Qalat and its Khanites were even outside the former British India.

[Palwasha]

Yes politicians and corruption, these are the two root causes of every single problem that Afghanistan and Pakistan are facing today. One thing i admire the westerners for is their political system, which is also their greatest power.

Aha, there is corruption in the West too, they just don't show it as much ang go about it a lot more delicately. There has been many scandals here in Britain, on expenses and corruption which hit the news.

But I get your point, their systems seems to be working a bit more smoothly.

[Talal]

^ well for them it works, they might do a lil bite of swindling here and there but they have strong institutions which are capable of detecting and countering any misadventures by their politicians. Look at Afghanistan what Najibullah did, had it not been for his stupid mistake ISI would have never had to resort to creating taliban. We didnt do that to destabliise Afghanistan we did that to stablise Afghanistan and protect our homelands from the russians. If Afghanistan had strong institutions a parliament that could dissolve tensions, an intelligence agency that dealt with all these threats, Russians would have never crossed those borders

[Talal]

But then Bahawalpur and fromer British Balochistan (the land of Pashtuns in the present Balochistan) do have the right to have their own provinces. I think the pandora has been opened now due the sponsored protests of some of Hazarawal because Hazar too comprise more than 50 percent ethnic pashtun population.

And by that rule Baloch should also be given complete autonomy because the state of Qalat and its Khanites were even outside the former British India.

There is no such demand from the seraikis or the bahwalpurians as of yet and no it wont be a pandoras box, dividing punjab and balochistan into smaller centres with mixed ethnicities would make the administration a lot more effective, resources would be aptly distributed and due to multiple ethnicites within different provinces there would be any ethnic segregation left. Whatever autonomy will be given will be given to all the provinces and on equal terms but maybe you missed my last post. Pakistan needs strong instituions before it can transfer autonomy to provinces. and the baloch demand isn't that much of autonomy as it is of developments and greater resource allocation.

[khyaal]

^ well for them it works, they might do a lil bite of swindling here and there but they have strong institutions which are capable of detecting and countering any misadventures by their politicians. Look at Afghanistan what Najibullah did, had it not been for his stupid mistake ISI would have never had to resort to creating taliban. We didnt do that to destabliise Afghanistan we did that to stablise Afghanistan and protect our homelands from the russians. If Afghanistan had strong institutions a parliament that could dissolve tensions, an intelligence agency that dealt with all these threats, Russians would have never crossed those borders

But by that time during the whole history of Pakistan you have managed just one general elections and that too ended in the division of Pakistan. Your people were no better except that you were under the umbrella of the Western powers.

[khyaal]

^ well for them it works, they might do a lil bite of swindling here and there but they have strong institutions which are capable of detecting and countering any misadventures by their politicians. Look at Afghanistan what Najibullah did, had it not been for his stupid mistake ISI would have never had to resort to creating taliban. We didnt do that to destabliise Afghanistan we did that to stablise Afghanistan and protect our homelands from the russians. If Afghanistan had strong institutions a parliament that could dissolve tensions, an intelligence agency that dealt with all these threats, Russians would have never crossed those borders

And, btw, do you know that when khwaja Nazimudin was dethroned in 1954 by Siknader Mirza, Nazim ud din telephone connection was turned off just in case he could complain to the British Queen. Such is the ridiculous history of Pakistan.