Protests over NWFP/Pakhtoonkhwa name change

[Yousafzai Pakhtun]

This name change was done on purpose so Hazaras can rebel.

And we are seeing what is happening.

Salaamuna!

will not agree with u Marwat. The name was changed bcoz the pukhtoon nation(76% of the whole population of the province) wanted their identity as was given to Punjabis, Sindhis and Balochis......ANP came forward they struggled for about 50 years, and at last they succeeded.. they changed the name democratically by taking all the parties in confidence...but the Punjabi establishment didn't wanted the brave nation to stand up on their feet so they burned a fire in Hazara....the Two Mosam leagues (i.e PML N and Q) were at first silent when the bill was passed by National assembly they began to burn the fire just becoz of their respective vote banks....they have their own selfish purposes for which they are putting Hazara on stake....
In my opinion the name Hazara Pukhtoonkhwa is not acceptable...on one hand pakistanis are crying for democracy and on the other hand majority in Pukhtoonkhwa is being ignored...ANP has a huge support of Pukhto speaking people...if the province is renamed as hazara pukhtoonkhwa, would the pukhtoons of Mardan, Swabi, Charsadda, Nowshehra, Peshawar etc keep silent...i think they are more vigorus and violent than hazaras so u can't expect they renaming the province as Hazara Pukhtoonkhwa will bring peace....instead it will multiply the fire...and perhaps another Bangladesh in the form of Azad Pukhtoonistan may came into being...
hope u people understand this...Pukhtoon khwa Zindabad....

کۀ څوک ژاړي کۀ څوک خاندي پکښې وسي
د يو بل نه مينې غواړي پکښې وسي
پښتونخوا دې تل اباده وي سائله
د ګلونو سندرغاړي پکښې وسي

Regards,

[Afghan_Soldier]

That should never be accepted. This is taking the mick. It is the fault of Pashtuns who initially accepted the "Khyber" suffix. It was a very bad move. It was the worse and immature concession. Why can't Hazara become part of Panjab and Quetta part of Pashtunkhwa.

[khyaal]

That should never be accepted. This is taking the mick. It is the fault of Pashtuns who initially accepted the "Khyber" suffix. It was a very bad move. It was the worse and immature concession. Why can't Hazara become part of Panjab and Quetta part of Pashtunkhwa.

The land of Hazara belongs to Pashtun ethnic groups, like Jadoons, Swatis, Mashwanis, Yousafzais etc. and not to any punjabi loyalist.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Mubarak shaee Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ae omanll..senate passed it. Wuss ba Loii Afghanistan soch kaoo.

[khyaal]

Mubarak shaee Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ae omanll..senate passed it. Wuss ba Loii Afghanistan soch kaoo.

Sta di ombark shee.

[khyaal]

[QUOTE=Credere;10795]^ Prove the fact that Pakistan were militarily no stronger than yugoslavia. Dont reply unless you have a neutral source to back that argument[QUOTE]



Once considered the third strongest army in Europe and fourth in the world (only the United States, United Kingdom and Soviet Union were stronger),[citation needed][neutrality is disputed] the JNA consisted of the ground forces, air force and navy. It was organized into four military regions which were further divided into districts that were responsible for administrative tasks such as draft registration, mobilization, and construction and maintenance of military facilities. The regions were: Belgrade (responsible for eastern Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina), Zagreb (Slovenia and northern Croatia), Skopje (Republic of Macedonia, southern Serbia and Montenegro) and Split Naval Region. Of the JNA's 180,000 soldiers, more than 90,000 were conscripts.
In 1990, the army had nearly completed a major overhaul of its basic force structure. It eliminated its old divisional infantry organization and established the brigade as the largest operational unit. The army converted ten of twelve infantry divisions into twenty-nine tank, mechanized and mountain infantry brigades with integral artillery, air defense and anti-tank regiments. One airborne brigade was organized before 1990. The shift to brigade-level organization provided greater operational flexibility, maneuverability, tactical initiative and reduced the possibility that large army units would be destroyed in set piece engagements with an aggressor. The change created many senior field command positions that would develop relatively young and talented officers. The brigade structure had advantages at a time of declining manpower.
[edit] Industry and Infrastructure

The arms industry was dominant in the Yugoslavian economy. With annual exports of $3 billion, it was twice as large as the second largest industry, tourism. It had modern infrastructure with underground air bases and control centres in several mountains. The biggest and best known installation was the Željava Air Base, also known as the Bihać Underground Integrated Radar Control and Surveillance Centre and Air Base, in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Several companies in Yugoslavia produced airplanes and specifically combat aircraft, most notably SOKO of Mostar, with the Soko J-22 Orao being its best known product. Another important manufacturer was Utva in Serbia. The Yugoslav military-industrial complex produced tanks (most notably, the M-84), armored vehicles (BOV APC, BVP M-80), various artillery pieces (mortars, multiple rocket launchers, howitzers), anti-aircraft weapons, as well as various types of infantry weapons and other equipment.
[edit] Ground forces


T-55 tanks were the main tanks of the JNA.


Main article: SFR Yugoslav Ground Forces
The ground forces led in number of personnel. In 1991 there were about 165,000 active-duty soldiers (including 90,000 conscripts), and over a million trained reservists could be mobilized in wartime. Each of the Yugoslav constituent republics had its own Territorial Defence Forces which in wartime would be subordinate to Supreme Command as an integral part of the defence system. The Territorial Defence (Reserve Force) was made up of former conscripts; they were occasionally called up for war exercises.
The ground forces were organised into infantry, armour, artillery, and air defence, as well as signal, engineering and chemical defence corps.
[edit] Air Force

Main article: SFR Yugoslav Air Force

SOKO G-2 Galeb, the first Yugoslav-made jet aircraft.



Jugoslovensko Ratno Vazduhoplovstvo (Yugoslav Air Force) Pilots on pre-flight planning.



The MiG-21s were the main fighters in Yugoslav Air Force.


The Yugoslav Air Force had about 32,000 personnel including 4,000 conscripts, and operated over 1,000 aircraft and 200 helicopters. In 1991, it was the second largest air force in Europe. It was responsible for transport, reconnaissance, and rotary-wing aircraft as well as the national air defence system. The primary air force missions were to contest enemy efforts to establish air supremacy over Yugoslavia and to support the defensive operations of the ground forces and navy. Most aircraft were produced in Yugoslavia. Missiles were produced domestically or supplied by the Soviet Union.
The Yugoslav Air Force had twelve squadrons of domestically produced ground attack fighters. The ground attack squadrons provided close air support to ground force operations. They were equipped with 165 new Soko J-22 Orao, Super Galeb and J-21 Jastreb, and older Soko J-20 Kraguj fighters. Many ground attack fighters were armed with AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles purchased from the United States. Others were armed with Soviet Kh-23 and Kh-28 missiles. The air force also had about ninety armed Mi-8 helicopter gunships to provide added mobility and fire support for small ground units. A large number of reconnaissance aircraft were available to support ground forces operations. Four squadrons of seventy Galeb, Jastreb, and Orao-1 fighters were configured for reconnaissance missions.
The Yugoslav Air Force had nine squadrons of 130 Soviet-made MiG-21 interceptors for air defence. First produced in the late 1950s, the MiG-21 design was largely obsolete in 1990 and represented a potential weakness in Yugoslavia's air defence. However, the bulk of the MiG-21 fleet consisted mainly of the bis variant, the latest production MiG-21 model, and was armed with Soviet Vympel K-13 (NATO reporting name: AA-2 "Atoll"), air-to-air missiles and some more modern Molniya R-60 (NATO reporting name: AA-8 "Aphid") missiles as well as twin 23 mm cannons. By 1989, Yugoslavia started developing a new domestic multirole fighter called Novi Avion, which was supposed to replace the MiG-21 and J-21 Jastreb fleets entirely. The design of the new aircraft was influenced by both Mirage 2000 and Dassault Rafale fighter types and it was to enter service by early 2000s. As an interim solution, a modernization package was planned for the MiG-21 and it is speculated that India's MiG-21 Bison upgrade was actually intended for Yugoslav aircraft.

The MiG-29s were the newest aircraft in the Yugoslav Air Force.


In 1987, Yugoslavia acquired 16 MiG-29 interceptors.
Although not officially known at the time, Yugoslavia was rumoured to have been interested in the purchase of certain numbers of Su-25 attack-aircraft and Mi-24 gunships. Instead of developing its own fighter plane, the Novi Avion, the country made a request to licence-build the F-20, but due to unstable relations with the US, the request was rejected. By the late 1980s, the licensed production of Eurocopter Super Puma was also envisaged, but due to the dissolution of the country, it was never realized.
The Yugoslav Air Force conducted a large pilot training program with almost 200 G-2's, G-4's, and UTVA-75 aircraft. The propeller-driven UTVA trainers had under-wing pylons capable of carrying light weapon loads. A new UTVA Lasta trainer was under development in 1990. After practicing instrument and night flying, gunnery, bombing, rocket firing, and aerial manoeuvres in the Lasta, student pilots progressed to the Super Galeb. Twenty Partisan helicopters were used for pilot training.
One of the most impressive structures operated by the JNA Air Force was the underground Željava Air Base near the town of Bihac in Bosnia. The structure was made to withstand a nuclear explosion and was destroyed by the JNA in 1992 to prevent its capture. Željava was home to the 117th Fighter Aviation Regiment, which was composed of the 124th and 125th Fighter Squadrons, equipped with MiG-21Bis fighters, and the 352nd Reconnaissance Squadron, equipped with MiG-21R aircraft.
The Air and Air Defence Forces were headquartered at Zemun and had fighter and bomber aircraft, helicopters, and air defence artillery units at air bases throughout the former Yugoslavia: Batajnica Air Base (Belgrade), NiÅ¡ Constantine the Great Airport, Slatina Air Base (PriÅ¡tina), Golubovci Airbase (Titograd), Skopski Petrovec, Sarajevo, Mostar, Željava Air Base (Bihać), Pleso (Zagreb), Split Airport, Pula, Zemunik (Zadar), Cerklje ob Krki and many other smaller air bases.
[edit] Navy

Main article: SFR Yugoslav Navy

Large Patrol Vessel VPBR-34 "Pula".


JRM submarine P-832 "Drava".


Yugoslav Kamov Ka-25 anti-submarine helicopter.


Minor surface combatants operated by the Yugoslav Navy included nearly eighty frigates, corvettes, submarines, minesweepers, and missile, torpedo, and patrol boats in the Adriatic Fleet. The entire coast of Yugoslavia was part of the naval region headquartered at Split (now part of Croatia).
The Partisans had operated many small boats in raids harassing Italian convoys in the Adriatic Sea during World War II. After the war, the navy operated numerous German and Italian submarines, destroyers, minesweepers, and tank-landing craft captured during the war or received as war reparations. The United States provided eight torpedo boats in the late 1940s, but most of those units were soon obsolete. The navy was upgraded in the 1960s when it acquired ten Osa-I class missile boats and four Shershen class torpedo boats from the Soviet Union. The Soviets granted a license to build eleven additional Shershen units in Yugoslav shipyards developed for this purpose.
In 1980 and 1982, the Yugoslav navy took delivery of two Soviet Koni class frigates. In 1988 it completed two additional units under license. The Koni frigates were armed with four Soviet P-15 Termit surface-to-surface missile launchers, twin 9K33 Osa (NATO reporting name: SA-8 "Gecko") surface-to-air missiles, and anti-submarine rocket launchers.
The Yugoslav navy developed its own submarine-building capability during the 1960s. In 1990, the main combat units of the submarine service were three Heroj class submarines armed with 533 mm torpedoes. Two smaller Sava class submarines entered service in the late 1970s. Two Sutjeska-class submarines had been relegated mainly to training missions by 1990. At that time the navy had apparently shifted to construction of versatile midget submarines. Four Una-class midgets and four Mala-class swimmer delivery vehicles were in service in the late 1980s. They were built for use by underwater demolition teams and special forces. The Una-class boats carried five crewmen, eight combat swimmers, four Mala vehicles, and limpet mines. The Mala vehicles carried two swimmers and 250 kilograms of mines.
The Yugoslav navy operated ten Osa class missile boats and six Končar class missile boats. The Osa I boats were armed with four P-15 Termit surface-to-surface missile launchers. In 1990, ten domestic Kobra missile boats were scheduled to begin replacing the Osa I class. The Kobra class was to be armed with eight Swedish RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, and fifteen of them were ordered in late 1989. Armed with two P-15 Termit launchers, the Končar class boats were modeled after the Spica class torpedo boats, and there were plans to upgrade them with Swedish-built missiles. Two Kobra missile boats were built by Croatia as the Kralj class fast attack craft and both are still in service. The navy's fifteen Topčider-class torpedo boats included four former Soviet Shershen-class and eleven Yugoslav built units.
The Yugoslav navy's mine warfare and countermeasures capabilities were considered adequate in 1990. It operated four Vukov Klanac-class coastal minesweepers built on a French design, four British Ham class minesweepers, and six 117-class inshore minesweepers built in domestic shipyards. Larger numbers of older and less capable minesweepers were mainly used in riverine operations. Other older units were used as dedicated minelayers. The navy used amphibious landing craft in support of army operations in the area of the Danube, Sava, and Drava rivers. They included both tank and assault landing craft. In 1990, there were four 501-class, ten 211-class, and twenty-five 601-class landing craft in service. Most of them were also capable of laying mines in rivers and coastal areas.
The Yugoslav Navy had 10,000 sailors (including 4,400 conscripts and 900 marines). This was essentially a coastal defence force with the mission of preventing enemy amphibious landings along the country's rugged 4,000-kilometer shoreline and coastal islands, and contesting an enemy blockade or control of the strategic Strait of Otranto. The entire coast of Yugoslavia was part of the naval region headquartered at Split. The naval region was divided into three smaller naval districts and a riverine flotilla with major naval bases located at Split, Sibenik, Pula, Ploce and Kotor on the Adriatic Sea, and Novi Sad on the River Danube. The strategic islands of Vis and Lastovo were heavily fortified and unauthorised entry was prohibited. The fleet was organized into missile, torpedo, and patrol boat brigades, a submarine division, and minesweeper flotillas. The naval order of battle included four frigates, three corvettes, five patrol submarines, fifty-eight missile, torpedo, and patrol boats, and twenty-eight minesweepers. One antisubmarine warfare helicopter squadron was based at Split on the Adriatic coast. It employed Soviet Ka-25, Ka-28, and Mi-8 helicopters, and domestic Partisan helicopters. Some air force fighter and reconnaissance squadrons supported naval operations.
[edit] Doctrine

The Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) had a unique operational military doctrine for a conventional military force. Yugoslavia based its defence doctrine upon the total war concept of "Total National Defence" which drew upon Yugoslavia's successful partisan history during the Yugoslav People's Liberation War during the Second World War. The "Total National Defence" concept gave the JNA the role of defending borders against aggressors with the intention of delaying an invader long enough for Territorial Defence Forces to enter the field and start wearing the invader down with partisan tactics. The entire Yugoslav population was to be engaged in armed resistance, armaments production, and civil defence under this concept. It was believed by the Yugoslav planners to be the best method by which a smaller nation could properly defend itself against a much stronger invader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_People's_Army

[khyaal]

I deleted some of the images due to limitation by this site.

[Afghan_Soldier]

Mubarak mu sa wrono, Long live Pashtun watan. :retard:

Ya Allah sta shukre kuzara yu aw ta ta mu heela da aw barya/kamyabi ta mo worasawi. Dushman no woosharmawi aw da beghairatoo Pashtanoo na mo khlas kkree. Ameen.



PS: Aw da P a k i l a n d na mo pa 7 samadroono jala kree.

[Talal]

[QUOTE=khyaal;11061][QUOTE=Credere;10795]^ Prove the fact that Pakistan were militarily no stronger than yugoslavia. Dont reply unless you have a neutral source to back that argument

Once considered the third strongest army in Europe and fourth in the world (only the United States, United Kingdom and Soviet Union were stronger),[citation needed][neutrality is disputed]

Read the bolded part, and wikipedia isnt a source. Especially for an article that clearly mentions that the claim has no citations and the neutrality is disputed.

Also you have to present a relative comparison between the two armies. That includes armed forces, naval and air forces. Not just that you have to present a detailed analysis of where and in which part yugoslavia commands excellence over Pakistani army during that period.

I know that is an extremely difficult process, and the reason i asked you was not to do a comparison at all. Im well aware of what Yugoslavia had in terms of inventory and yes we could match them the best of the their inventory. The point here was to stop making statements that we have no knowledge about and that cannot be backed by any concrete proof. I assure you that you had never even read up on yugoslavian military because you used wikipedia as a source. I hope you understand the underlying purpose of this argument

[Afghan_Soldier]

Credere, who is the guy in you avator and are you Panjabi?

[Master Khan]

That is icecube.

idk if he is Punjabi tho.

Ice Cube is a black American..he coverted to Islam I think.