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    Bismillah

    As Salaamu 3alaykum,

    In various threads, some Pathans accuse Afghans of selling Pashtunkhwa to the British. They argue, since Afghans betrayed Pashtuns, they have no business claiming Pashtunkhwa is theirs. Let us look back at our recent history and judge if your accusation holds any truth.

    Amir Abdurrahman Khan was a tyrant who was held in power with the help of the British. During Amir Abdurrahman Khans reign, the British used Afghanistan as a buffer state against the Tsar of Russia who was expanding towards the South. While Abdurrahman Khan was in power, parts of Muslim areas in Northern India and Pashtunkhwa were already occupied by the British. Amir Abdurrahman Khan used the money and resources provided by the British to suppress rebelling Ghiljay tribes in the South and the East. He massacred the leaders of the Ghiljay because Ghiljay was rebelling against him.

    Amir Abdurrahman Khan was helped by the British because they feared the Ghiljay might retake control over key parts of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa providing strategic support for the rebelling Pashtun tribes of Waziristan and other tribal areas. Therefore, Amir Abdurrahman Khan was part of the British policy of occupation and suppression of Muslims.

    When Abdurrahman Khan signed the Durand Treaty, he was actively persecuting Pashtuns in Afghanistan who opposed him and the British. The Ghiljay, which is by far one of the largest Pashtun tribes, was defeated and dispersed across Afghanistan so that they no longer pose any threat to the British empire. The reason why there are so many Ghiljay tribes all the way in the north, is because Abdurrahman Khan wanted to weaken the Ghiljay stronghold in Loy Paktia.

    Later, during the reign of Amanullah Khan, the uprising against the British in Waziristan was instigated by him. However, the purpose of the uprising was not to liberate Muslims. It was merely a strategic decision to allow Amanullah Khan to negotiate for more autonomy. When he got what he wanted, he back-stabbed Pashtuns on both side of the Durand line. In Afghanistan he started a process of secularization where he specifically targeted conservative southern communities.

    Amanullah Khan's father in law, Mahmood Tarzi who was a memebr of the Free Masons, instructed Amanullah Khan to strengthen his ties with the West and specifically, the anti-Muslim ruler of Turkey, Atta Turk. The whole purpose of the Amanullah regime was to weaken the Muslims, and Pashtuns in particular.

    While you complain how the consecutive governments in Afghanistan back-stabbed and neglected the Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa, have the decency to investigate what these governments have done to those on our side of the Durand line. In East Kabul, where I am from, our ancestors have opposed the British and the Durani tyrants. Abdurrahman Khan massacred our tribal chiefs and built a huge minaret from severed heads of Ghiljay chiefs. The Tokhi and the Hotak are dispersed all across Afghanistan. Their families were shattered, their possessions were looted and their men were murdered. The amount of cruelty and violence used against Pashtuns during the era of the Durani rulers is deliberately censored from official books.

    The Durani rulers never spoke Pashto and preferred Farsi as the official language. The reason why Pashto obtained some prominence as a language over the course of the 20th century was because the Duranis used Pashtuns as a fighting force to remain in power. For that, they needed to fool people and make them believe they represent Pashtuns.


    The reason why many minorities in Afghanistan resent Pashtuns, is not because Pashtuns as a whole deliberately oppressed minorities. Neither did we pursue a policy of forcing the minorities to give up their own identity and adapt an Afghan/Pashtun identity. So when you, the Pathans, accuse "Afghans" of selling you out and back-stabbing you, it is practically the same as when minorities in Afghanistan accuse "Afghans/Pashtuns" of denying them their freedoms.

    We, as Pashtuns have every right to claim Pashtunkhwa is ours, because we are Muslims and we are Pashtuns. The people on our side of the Durand line never chose to abandon Pashtunkhwa. We didn't participate in any referendums regarding Durand line.

    So, in future, if you want to defend your subservience to Punjab, don't make false claims.
    Last edited by Shamlawar Khurasani; 12-31-2013, 08:24 AM.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    Well written.

    Me or my fellow never blamed the Ground realities aka the Common pashtuns.As now so does in the past.Both side pashtuns wanted to remain united

    But The fact remain Just to save off the British Empire influece into Afghanistan.They gave up FATA,KPK,SOuthern Balochistan.

    Ofcourse we do agree it was done by the Afghan elites.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post

      Amir Abdurrahman Khan was a tyrant who was held in power with the help of the British. During Amir Abdurrahman Khans reign, the British used Afghanistan as a buffer state against the Tsar of Russia who was expanding towards the South. While Abdurrahman Khan was in power, parts of Muslim areas in Northern India and Pashtunkhwa were already occupied by the British. Amir Abdurrahman Khan used the money and resources provided by the British to suppress rebelling Ghiljay tribes in the South and the East. He massacred the leaders of the Ghiljay because Ghiljay was rebelling against him.

      Amir Abdurrahman Khan was helped by the British because they feared the Ghiljay might retake control over key parts of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa providing strategic support for the rebelling Pashtun tribes of Waziristan and other tribal areas. Therefore, Amir Abdurrahman Khan was part of the British policy of occupation and suppression of Muslims.
      Abdul Rahman Khan was just another Mullah Omar. He forced people from Kafiristan to become muslims, he killed half population of hazeras, moved thousand of pashtuns to west and north of afghanistan oppressing tajiks and he took brit money to kill his own pashtun ghilzai brothers and sold half of our country to brits. How a dog like this can be considered a good ruler?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
        Bismillah

        As Salaamu 3alaykum,

        In various threads, some Pathans accuse Afghans of selling Pashtunkhwa to the British. They argue, since Afghans betrayed Pashtuns, they have no business claiming Pashtunkhwa is theirs. Let us look back at our recent history and judge if your accusation holds any truth.

        Amir Abdurrahman Khan was a tyrant who was held in power with the help of the British. During Amir Abdurrahman Khans reign, the British used Afghanistan as a buffer state against the Tsar of Russia who was expanding towards the South. While Abdurrahman Khan was in power, parts of Muslim areas in Northern India and Pashtunkhwa were already occupied by the British. Amir Abdurrahman Khan used the money and resources provided by the British to suppress rebelling Ghiljay tribes in the South and the East. He massacred the leaders of the Ghiljay because Ghiljay was rebelling against him.

        Amir Abdurrahman Khan was helped by the British because they feared the Ghiljay might retake control over key parts of Afghanistan and Pashtunkhwa providing strategic support for the rebelling Pashtun tribes of Waziristan and other tribal areas. Therefore, Amir Abdurrahman Khan was part of the British policy of occupation and suppression of Muslims.

        When Abdurrahman Khan signed the Durand Treaty, he was actively persecuting Pashtuns in Afghanistan who opposed him and the British. The Ghiljay, which is by far one of the largest Pashtun tribes, was defeated and dispersed across Afghanistan so that they no longer pose any threat to the British empire. The reason why there are so many Ghiljay tribes all the way in the north, is because Abdurrahman Khan wanted to weaken the Ghiljay stronghold in Loy Paktia.

        Later, during the reign of Amanullah Khan, the uprising against the British in Waziristan was instigated by him. However, the purpose of the uprising was not to liberate Muslims. It was merely a strategic decision to allow Amanullah Khan to negotiate for more autonomy. When he got what he wanted, he back-stabbed Pashtuns on both side of the Durand line. In Afghanistan he started a process of secularization where he specifically targeted conservative southern communities.

        Amanullah Khan's father in law, Mahmood Tarzi who was a memebr of the Free Masons, instructed Amanullah Khan to strengthen his ties with the West and specifically, the anti-Muslim ruler of Turkey, Atta Turk. The whole purpose of the Amanullah regime was to weaken the Muslims, and Pashtuns in particular.

        While you complain how the consecutive governments in Afghanistan back-stabbed and neglected the Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa, have the decency to investigate what these governments have done to those on our side of the Durand line. In East Kabul, where I am from, our ancestors have opposed the British and the Durani tyrants. Abdurrahman Khan massacred our tribal chiefs and built a huge minaret from severed heads of Ghiljay chiefs. The Tokhi and the Hotak are dispersed all across Afghanistan. Their families were shattered, their possessions were looted and their men were murdered. The amount of cruelty and violence used against Pashtuns during the era of the Durani rulers is deliberately censored from official books.

        The Durani rulers never spoke Pashto and preferred Farsi as the official language. The reason why Pashto obtained some prominence as a language over the course of the 20th century was because the Duranis used Pashtuns as a fighting force to remain in power. For that, they needed to fool people and make them believe they represent Pashtuns.


        The reason why many minorities in Afghanistan resent Pashtuns, is not because Pashtuns as a whole deliberately oppressed minorities. Neither did we pursue a policy of forcing the minorities to give up their own identity and adapt an Afghan/Pashtun identity. So when you, the Pathans, accuse "Afghans" of selling you out and back-stabbing you, it is practically the same as when minorities in Afghanistan accuse "Afghans/Pashtuns" of denying them their freedoms.

        We, as Pashtuns have every right to claim Pashtunkhwa is ours, because we are Muslims and we are Pashtuns. The people on our side of the Durand line never chose to abandon Pashtunkhwa. We didn't participate in any referendums regarding Durand line.

        So, in future, if you want to defend your subservience to Punjab, don't make false claims.
        Nice story but you forget the many Khalji, Zirak, Khattack and so on divisions of the British-Indian army fighting for them against Afghanistan or supporting them in favour of their puppets. The only people who really fought the Brits were the tribes of Waziristan.

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        • #5
          i am myself a khilji and amir abdur rahman khan was a good king and ruler he safed afghanistan united it and dont aloud that afghanistan becoming a part of the british raj and he defeated the rebells like the hazaras and diffrent other ethnics that was paid by neighbour countrys at that time to bring distability to afghanistan.the persian kingdom was on the way to occupy herat and they was defeated by the afghans.many believe the khilji tribe was against abdur rahman khan this is not true he was supported by nearly every large afghan tribe.
          abdur rahman khan sendet the jews khazarians - shia hazaras out from afghanistan.many blame him for the lost area pashtunkhwa-north west frontier but this area was already lost and occupied by sikhs and british raj since 1880.
          peshawar was ruled by the brits and the brits had large support from the ethnics in this occupied area from pathan baloch sikhs etc to hold their power in this region. wazir akbar khan was the last great afghan that tried to become pashtunkhwa back and he failed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bost Bastan News View Post
            Nice story but you forget the many Khalji, Zirak, Khattack and so on divisions of the British-Indian army fighting for them against Afghanistan or supporting them in favour of their puppets. The only people who really fought the Brits were the tribes of Waziristan.
            nice story but than waziristan would be independend and not a part of pakistan

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Khilji View Post
              many blame him for the lost area pashtunkhwa-north west frontier but this area was already lost and occupied by sikhs and british raj since 1880.
              A true leader would have sent all his men to liberate the Pashtun tribes. Instead he signed the Durand Line treaty, and effectively sold them out, for 12000 lakh Rupee per year, Enfield rifles, and cannons. You could call him the original Karzai

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Al-Afghani View Post
                A true leader would have sent all his men to liberate the Pashtun tribes. Instead he signed the Durand Line treaty, and effectively sold them out, for 12000 lakh Rupee per year, Enfield rifles, and cannons. You could call him the original Karzai
                a true leader you parsiwans never saw not your tajiks or hazaras lol
                your tajiks was at that time russian- soviet area and your hazara shias tried to divide afghanistan and tried to support persian imperialism but failed and the heads of the hazara bandits paid the price.
                so abdur rahman khan he was a good leader and he made 20 % of hazaras to sunni muslims so that in futur the persian shias cant use your tribe anymore for distability many hazaras in kunduz nothern area are sunnis because of abdur rahman khan.
                dont forget karzai is maybe a puppet but those who supported usa was your nothernalliance warlords many of your parsiwan ethnic group wich was also used by the brits like by the soviet russians in their invasion of afghanistan.
                Last edited by Khilji; 12-31-2013, 01:39 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Khilji View Post
                  a true leader you parsiwans never saw not your tajiks or hazaras lol
                  your tajiks was at that time russian- soviet area and your hazara shias tried to divide afghanistan and tried to support persian imperialism but failed and the heads of the hazara bandits paid the price.
                  so abdur rahman khan he was a good leader and he made 20 % of hazaras to sunni muslims so that in futur the persian shias cant use your tribe anymore for distability many hazaras in kunduz nothern area are sunnis because of abdur rahman khan.
                  dont forget karzai is maybe a puppet but those who supported usa was your nothernalliance warlords many of your parsiwan ethnic group wich was also used by the brits like by the soviet russians in their invasion of afghanistan.
                  Dude, I think you have some mental problems. Tajiks had many good leaders through history: ismael samani, surena, spitamenes, satibarzanes, shah abbas,..etc

                  abdul rahman khan was a dog. he sold out our country to brits, and now we still suffer because of that. He did not save afghanistan. Actually, most of western and northern afghanistan was annexed by brits to afghanistan:

                  The Anglo–Persian War lasted between November 1, 1856 and April 4, 1857, and was fought between the United Kingdom and Persia (which was at the time ruled by the Qajar dynasty). In the war, the British opposed an attempt by Persia to press its claim on the city of Herat. Though Herat had been part of Persia under the Qajar dynasty at the time the war broke out, it had declared itself independent under its own rebellious emir and placed itself under the protection of the British in India and in alliance with the Emirate of Kabul (the forebear of the modern state of Afghanistan). The campaign was successfully conducted under the leadership of Major General Sir James Outram in two theatres—on the southern coast of Persia near Bushehr and in southern Mesopotamia .The war resulted in Persia withdrawing from Herat and signing a new treaty in which it surrendered its claims on the city.

                  Anglo-Persian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vinyard80 View Post
                    Dude, I think you have some mental problems. Tajiks had many good leaders through history: ismael samani, surena, spitamenes, satibarzanes, shah abbas,..etc

                    abdul rahman khan was a dog. he sold out our country to brits, and now we still suffer because of that. He did not save afghanistan. Actually, most of western and northern afghanistan was annexed by brits to afghanistan:

                    The Anglo–Persian War lasted between November 1, 1856 and April 4, 1857, and was fought between the United Kingdom and Persia (which was at the time ruled by the Qajar dynasty). In the war, the British opposed an attempt by Persia to press its claim on the city of Herat. Though Herat had been part of Persia under the Qajar dynasty at the time the war broke out, it had declared itself independent under its own rebellious emir and placed itself under the protection of the British in India and in alliance with the Emirate of Kabul (the forebear of the modern state of Afghanistan). The campaign was successfully conducted under the leadership of Major General Sir James Outram in two theatres—on the southern coast of Persia near Bushehr and in southern Mesopotamia .The war resulted in Persia withdrawing from Herat and signing a new treaty in which it surrendered its claims on the city.

                    Anglo-Persian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                    herat was at that time where the persians tried to become it over 200 years part of independend afghanistan and before that always afghan dominated.
                    anyways your tajiks saw first time independence 1992 when the soviets broke down so your tajik leaders could not give you independence, a dog would be better than a tajik leader and defenetly was amir abdur rahman khan better than any tajik leader that ever exist.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Khilji View Post
                      herat was at that time where the persians tried to become it over 200 years part of independend afghanistan and before that always afghan dominated.
                      anyways your tajiks saw first time independence 1992 when the soviets broke down so your tajik leaders could not give you independence, a dog would be better than a tajik leader and defenetly was amir abdur rahman khan better than any tajik leader that ever exist.
                      If the best pashtun ruler ever, a role model for pashtun people, is a dog like abdul rahman khan, then we are fuc*ed up, lol

                      There was not afghanistan before 1893. Ahmad Shah Durrani founded the durrani empire. He never called to himself "king of afghanistan" but king of kabulistan and king of khorasan. Prove me wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Khilji View Post
                        a true leader you parsiwans never saw not your tajiks or hazaras lol
                        your tajiks was at that time russian- soviet area and your hazara shias tried to divide afghanistan and tried to support persian imperialism but failed and the heads of the hazara bandits paid the price.
                        so abdur rahman khan he was a good leader and he made 20 % of hazaras to sunni muslims so that in futur the persian shias cant use your tribe anymore for distability many hazaras in kunduz nothern area are sunnis because of abdur rahman khan.
                        dont forget karzai is maybe a puppet but those who supported usa was your nothernalliance warlords many of your parsiwan ethnic group wich was also used by the brits like by the soviet russians in their invasion of afghanistan.
                        You are the most uneducated clown in this forum I come across. Abdurrahman smashed all Khalji tribes and wiped some smaller sub-tribes totally out. He forced shinwaris to take position in the mountains. He destroyed of many hundred thousands Khaljis their lifestyle and forced them to settle in the north near dirty rivers infected with malaria that later killed 200 000 people. Ask Pashtuns from Kunduz and they will tell you their story. Not only Abdurahman Khan sold Pashtuns to Panjabistan and Angriz but his main allies, your so-called Shia parsiwan and agha khan shias from Baghlan who formed his spearhead. Better you focus on the history of your own country Dalkhuristan/Napakistan
                        Last edited by Bost Bastan News; 12-31-2013, 05:20 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bost Bastan News View Post
                          You are the most uneducated clown in this forum I come across. Abdurrahman smashed all Khalji tribes and wiped some smaller sub-tribes totally out. He forced shinwaris to take position in the mountains. He destroyed of many hundred thousands Khaljis their lifestyle and forced them to settle in the north near dirty rivers infected with malaria that later killed 200 000 people. Ask Pashtuns from Kunduz and they will tell you their story. Not only Abdurahman Khan sold Pashtuns to Panjabistan and Angriz but his main allies, your so-called Shia parsiwan and agha khan shias from Baghlan who formed his spearhead. Better you focus on the history of your own country Dalkhuristan/Napakistan
                          if you are angry read this from an original khilji:
                          zindabad amir abdur rahman khan he did the right thinks in afghanistan specialy with your hazaras-bandits etc.
                          Last edited by Khilji; 12-31-2013, 08:52 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vinyard80 View Post
                            If the best pashtun ruler ever, a role model for pashtun people, is a dog like abdul rahman khan, then we are fuc*ed up, lol

                            There was not afghanistan before 1893. Ahmad Shah Durrani founded the durrani empire. He never called to himself "king of afghanistan" but king of kabulistan and king of khorasan. Prove me wrong.
                            i dont know if you are fuc*ed up...
                            but the name afghanistan and afghan exist longer than 1893 and durrani called his empire afghanistan in his poems he called afghanistan also pashtunistan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bost Bastan News View Post
                              You are the most uneducated clown in this forum I come across. Abdurrahman smashed all Khalji tribes and wiped some smaller sub-tribes totally out. He forced shinwaris to take position in the mountains. He destroyed of many hundred thousands Khaljis their lifestyle and forced them to settle in the north near dirty rivers infected with malaria that later killed 200 000 people. Ask Pashtuns from Kunduz and they will tell you their story. Not only Abdurahman Khan sold Pashtuns to Panjabistan and Angriz but his main allies, your so-called Shia parsiwan and agha khan shias from Baghlan who formed his spearhead. Better you focus on the history of your own country Dalkhuristan/Napakistan
                              by the way just a hazara like you can be angry at this great leader .
                              he shmashed alot of your bandits and that was not wrong he stopt the civilwar wich was also not wrong.
                              i like the new propaganda pictures that came out the last years, painted by hazaras ,lovley pictures of hazara womans jumping down the mountains from amir abdur rahman khan and his afghan forces......

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