Retired Pashtun general arrested for fueling ethnic tension.

[Kushan Prince]

I will provide you sources. At the momemt I am very tired but also very busy. You want the sources in Pashto Dari or English? The Hotaki empire rised because of the chaotic situation of that time. Safafid empire had internal problems. In more than half of their hold territory there was civil war going. They also tried to islamize to shia branch sunni Muslims of Afghanistan and forced even zoroastrians to accept Islam or they were killed. Also in Kandahar and Herat. Hotaki movement was just a resultive movement like Taliban was from the chaotic time of the 90s. One Parsee was his top general. We have alot primery sources in Afghanistan about our history but unfortunately they are mostly unknown to the western world. Kandahar became heartland of Pashtuns after Hotaki era. Nadir Shah gave many de-populated lands to Durrani Pashtuns. We were mostly semi-nomadic. At that time Kandahar was home of many people. Even Uzbeks and Hazaras or Argun moghuls (ancestors of modern ''Arghandab Pashtuns) and Ismailis lived there. But the constant war between India and Iran depopulated alot of regions. Modern Kandhaar city is not the same Kandahar city of the ancient times. It was build during Ahmad Shah Baba 16km in the north of the ancient Kandahar. The city´s name was originally called Ahmadshahi but later his Kurdish and Qizilbash allies changed it to Kandahar after his death. All Farsiwans today in Kandahar are descendents of those Kurdish adn Qizilbash people. One of our Mayesty´s brother-in-law is a Kandahari Farsiwan. Mr. Spinzada Ibrahm is originally a Farsiwan.

This is something a Tajikcentric would say LOL. Go back to your dead, anti-pashtun forum called "Tajikam" bachem.

[Khostai]

Afghanistan was without Soviet and US funds nothing even in the 60s. The Americans and Russians built schools, air ports, universities, streets, high ways. All these things were before the 60s very rare. The Dawood Khan era is considered still by many people (not only in Afghanistan) as the most corrupt era with the most corrupt government on world. During Zaher Shah ''Baba'' era in the south, particularely Helmand, Farah, Urusgan, according to western observers, around 500 000 people died because of starvation and noone said anything. According to the corrupt government of that era only 50 000 people lost life (I hope Barakzai Abdali stops to insult Mr. Hamed Karzai). I don´t know what kind of self-created stories you want to tell me. Also your idea about the Khalq faction seems to be not correct. The Khalq faction was mainly from Khost, Paktia and other provinces where Psahtun nationalism is very strong. They have even forbidden women to become ''modern''. They wanted to keep their daughters traditionally. Only men had the right to get a good education and doing career. Khalqis were ultra-Pashtun nationalists. The Parcham faction was the factor that gave marginalized minorities rights. Not under Khalq Pashtuns Uzbek became important for the government and did not converted to socialism but during the Parcham faction. The Parchamis were the first one who made a Hazara Afghanistan´s first non-Pashtun vice-president. The Khalqis killed Dawood Khan because he 7 weeks before stopped to fight for Pashtunistan issue.

Ismail Yoon many times in different interviews and debates said that Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hzaras don´t belong to Afghanistan and many times said if they don´t accept Pashtu language and Pashtu identity they have to leave. Even many in the Arg hate him. It is not a secret that he is the author of the book written during Taliban Bachi Saqao Duwomi. http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Afghanistan_19_May_01_Afghan_Call_for_Ethnic_Clean sing.pdf Do you remember the Taliban era when Pashtuns and Farsiwans were figting together against Pakistan and Arabs? We made 1/3 of the alliance. Who was then for unity and who against unity? Who are today still for unity and who are against unity? Calling Hazaras and Uzbeks and others as B A S T A R D S or immigrants don´t bring unity.



I don´t know what your problem is with me but I want you to know I am just for peace. No more war. No more killing.

You bringing up the old goverment even more support my point that the current govrment is rulled by farsibans and that they are still not happy because we Pashtuns excist. And all the previous goverment before the Soviets is the reason why saur revolution happend, the starvation corruption and incompetence feeded the khalk and parch fraction. You say nobody said anything when in the south 500.000 people died, why do you think Saur revolution happend? That was your answer fo those misforntunes.

And the corruption in the old goverment never could be so big because Afghanistan didn't recived that much money to steel in first place.

And no you don't want peace, you want to subdue Pashtuns and eradicate our culture and language. That is the goal of you and your people, but I must warn you, Pashtuns never give up, and at the end of the day we will win and when that happens, farsi and your bacha bazi culture will dessapear soon.

[afghan]

no only general saeb said that many other have said the same

No one else can be 'Afghan' except 'Pashtun' - YouTube

[gadoonwal]

I am amazed to the knowledge of gul aga and amin saikal.
He spend great amount of time on pashtun website.
I hope by now aga e gula should be more pashtunized.
He is now part of pashtun discussion forums.
He is higly educated person.
He has more then 25 names on pashtun forum.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Fact: taqat was a parchami, not khalqi. He is from paktia but he is not related to Najib. But he still tell lies claiming they are family. Taqat never finished school yet he managed to become a general under communist regime.

Fact: kandahar use to be a Ghiljay city. This is why in innercity of modern Kandahar there are many ghiljay areas belonging to Tokhai and other ghilji tribes.

Fact: Abdalis arrived from the west with the help of theit Persian paymasters. This is why modern Pashto of kandahar is poluted with farsi words.

Fact: Zhandoon and the Panjsheris both work for our enemies. This whole theatre is not about Afghaniat or electric tazkiras. Its about the upcoming elections.

Only fools think that the current drama is to preserve identity.

[Bost Bastan News]

You bringing up the old goverment even more support my point that the current govrment is rulled by farsibans and that they are still not happy because we Pashtuns excist. And all the previous goverment before the Soviets is the reason why saur revolution happend, the starvation corruption and incompetence feeded the khalk and parch fraction. You say nobody said anything when in the south 500.000 people died, why do you think Saur revolution happend? That was your answer fo those misforntunes.

And the corruption in the old goverment never could be so big because Afghanistan didn't recived that much money to steel in first place.

And no you don't want peace, you want to subdue Pashtuns and eradicate our culture and language. That is the goal of you and your people, but I must warn you, Pashtuns never give up, and at the end of the day we will win and when that happens, farsi and your bacha bazi culture will dessapear soon.

Those were victimes of Zahir Shah era but after Zahir Shah followed his cousin, Sardar Mohammad Dawood Khan. The Saur coup took part decades later. Dawood Khan got killed because he gave up his Pashtunist agenda and claims for Pashtunistan and accepted Pakistan´s existence. He gone too far in the eye of Taraki and other Khalqis when a Tajik (I guess it was Etemadi) became for the first time prime-minister, in fact the most powerful man in the state, more powerful than the president himself although Khalq always claimed to represents all ethnics. Seven weeks later after his meeting with Pakistani officials he got killed. These are the reasons for Saur revolution. Further, it was an uprising of Khaljis against the corrupt Durrani elites who were considered by them as Persianized and called bachay kabuli in an insultive? way. From then on all leaders of Afghanistan except Karmal were Khaljis and all top positions were held by Khaljis. The Taliban movement was also the uprising of Khaljis (first). We sometimes called it jokening the awakening of the Hotaki Sultans. The shor Khalji periode was ended by the American intervention by restoring back a non-Khalji government. Most Khalqis changed sides and joined the Taliban and contacted even the ISI. Tanai for example had close contacts to ISI. Many equipments of our army were taken to Pakistan including fighter-jets. This is the truth and not what some nationalists want us to believe by hiding facts or negative aspects of the truth. Forget Gadoonwal and that other guy. They produce too much gases nothing else.

[Bost Bastan News]

Fact: taqat was a parchami, not khalqi. He is from paktia but he is not related to Najib. But he still tell lies claiming they are family. Taqat never finished school yet he managed to become a general under communist regime.

Fact: kandahar use to be a Ghiljay city. This is why in innercity of modern Kandahar there are many ghiljay areas belonging to Tokhai and other ghilji tribes.

Fact: Abdalis arrived from the west with the help of theit Persian paymasters. This is why modern Pashto of kandahar is poluted with farsi words.

Fact: Zhandoon and the Panjsheris both work for our enemies. This whole theatre is not about Afghaniat or electric tazkiras. Its about the upcoming elections.

Only fools think that the current drama is to preserve identity.

95% of Khaljis became settlers in the last 113. Modern Kandahar city was not even existing. Khaljis were present in modern Kandahar region but they were not the only people. Other people like Ismaili or Uzbeks and even remnants of Mongols (ancestors of modern Arghandiwal Pashtuns) were also present as well as Farsiwans, Sikhs, Diwars and other groups.

[Bost Bastan News]

All Three would be fine, Any relevant source material ....properly cited which means page number , volume etc.

some of this information sounds new to me, can you also find sources which explain how Kandahar became Pashtun heartland as a consequence of Hotaki dynasty; where did they migrate from?


Since I'm a Hotaki, we have a legend that we are originally connected with Uzbeks or some other Turkish people too; Hotaki are not originally Pashtuns as well but that was further back at least 6-7 centuries before Ahmad Shah and Mir Was Khan Hotak's era.

There are some theories about the origin of Hotak tribe. For sure we can say Hotak tribe is consisting of Balochi and Brahui, Pashtun Ghalji (ESSENTIAL PART) and possibly to a small part even of Farsiwan at the end of their formation as a tribe. The beginning of their formation is a little bit obscure but as you mentioned somehow related with with Uzbeks or any other Turkish people of the region as a cross-road of different nomadic societies. I guess the Aimak group can be taken here as an example.

[Khilji]

95% of Khaljis became settlers in the last 113. Modern Kandahar city was not even existing. Khaljis were present in modern Kandahar region but they were not the only people. Other people like Ismaili or Uzbeks and even remnants of Mongols (ancestors of modern Arghandiwal Pashtuns) were also present as well as Farsiwans, Sikhs, Diwars and other groups.

dude what kind of monkey are you? a hazara or tajik that try to defend his existing on the back of pashtuns? you guys was never ruler of arachosia gandahara and you half mongols dont mix yourself up with ethnics that dont belongs to you.first try to find what you nativ language and name is.

[Khilji]

Those were victimes of Zahir Shah era but after Zahir Shah followed his cousin, Sardar Mohammad Dawood Khan. The Saur coup took part decades later. Dawood Khan got killed because he gave up his Pashtunist agenda and claims for Pashtunistan and accepted Pakistan´s existence. He gone too far in the eye of Taraki and other Khalqis when a Tajik (I guess it was Etemadi) became for the first time prime-minister, in fact the most powerful man in the state, more powerful than the president himself although Khalq always claimed to represents all ethnics. Seven weeks later after his meeting with Pakistani officials he got killed. These are the reasons for Saur revolution. Further, it was an uprising of Khaljis against the corrupt Durrani elites who were considered by them as Persianized and called bachay kabuli in an insultive? way. From then on all leaders of Afghanistan except Karmal were Khaljis and all top positions were held by Khaljis. The Taliban movement was also the uprising of Khaljis (first). We sometimes called it jokening the awakening of the Hotaki Sultans. The shor Khalji periode was ended by the American intervention by restoring back a non-Khalji government. Most Khalqis changed sides and joined the Taliban and contacted even the ISI. Tanai for example had close contacts to ISI. Many equipments of our army were taken to Pakistan including fighter-jets. This is the truth and not what some nationalists want us to believe by hiding facts or negative aspects of the truth. Forget Gadoonwal and that other guy. They produce too much gases nothing else.

the taliban the uprising of khaljis lol what a parsiwan monkey is this?

[Khostai]

Those were victimes of Zahir Shah era but after Zahir Shah followed his cousin, Sardar Mohammad Dawood Khan. The Saur coup took part decades later. Dawood Khan got killed because he gave up his Pashtunist agenda and claims for Pashtunistan and accepted Pakistan´s existence. He gone too far in the eye of Taraki and other Khalqis when a Tajik (I guess it was Etemadi) became for the first time prime-minister, in fact the most powerful man in the state, more powerful than the president himself although Khalq always claimed to represents all ethnics. Seven weeks later after his meeting with Pakistani officials he got killed. These are the reasons for Saur revolution. Further, it was an uprising of Khaljis against the corrupt Durrani elites who were considered by them as Persianized and called bachay kabuli in an insultive? way. From then on all leaders of Afghanistan except Karmal were Khaljis and all top positions were held by Khaljis. The Taliban movement was also the uprising of Khaljis (first). We sometimes called it jokening the awakening of the Hotaki Sultans. The shor Khalji periode was ended by the American intervention by restoring back a non-Khalji government. Most Khalqis changed sides and joined the Taliban and contacted even the ISI. Tanai for example had close contacts to ISI. Many equipments of our army were taken to Pakistan including fighter-jets. This is the truth and not what some nationalists want us to believe by hiding facts or negative aspects of the truth. Forget Gadoonwal and that other guy. They produce too much gases nothing else.

LOL even more nonsence from a tajik with inferiority complex, but don't worry your time will be over soon. And hopefully you degenerate culture of bacha bazi, bribery and theft will be banned soon again. That is the only good way Afghanistan can develope again.

[Al-Afghani]

If this Ismail Yoon wanted to genocide all non Pashtuns, then they have to right to secede.

[Kushan Prince]

95% of Khaljis became settlers in the last 113. Modern Kandahar city was not even existing. Khaljis were present in modern Kandahar region but they were not the only people. Other people like Ismaili or Uzbeks and even remnants of Mongols (ancestors of modern Arghandiwal Pashtuns) were also present as well as Farsiwans, Sikhs, Diwars and other groups.

Uzbeks came to Afghanistan in the late 1880's and settled in northern Afghanistan NOT in Kandahar.

How stupid are you?

[Bost Bastan News]

Uzbeks came to Afghanistan in the late 1880's and settled in northern Afghanistan NOT in Kandahar.

How stupid are you?

Uzbeks came to Afghanistan already 500years ago. There are Uzbek pockets even in Khost, Urusgan, Paktika, Paktia and even in northern Kandahar. The last Uzbek wave (150 000) came during the bolshevik expansion to Afghanistan. Already around 500 000 Uzbeks were living in Afghanistan. If you don´t know anything about Afghanistan and don´t agree with me without insulting me reasonless than shut the f*** up.

[Khilji]

Uzbeks came to Afghanistan already 500years ago. There are Uzbek pockets even in Khost, Urusgan, Paktika, Paktia and even in northern Kandahar. The last Uzbek wave (150 000) came during the bolshevik expansion to Afghanistan. Already around 500 000 Uzbeks were living in Afghanistan. If you don´t know anything about Afghanistan and don´t agree with me without insulting me reasonless than shut the f*** up.

the inhabitants of arachosia-kandahar were and are pashtun tribes, called also ethnic pactyans at that time.in kandahar living ghilzai-kakar-durrani etc etc etc the reason why this area is a little bit persinized is the close realtionship with persia because of the zoroastrian faith in the arachosian time and the merchantroute-language and the old persians was not hazaras not tajiks not uzbeks.your parsiwanism to mix your mongolian ethnic with pashtuns will not work in this area kandahar also not in pactya and that you claim that pashtuns are turks is also not true there are not turkic tribes in kandahar nobody speaks turkic in this area there is no turkic ruins in this area this is a myth like to believe that pashtuns are bani israel.and ahmad shah durrani was freed by nadir afshar from prision he was young a great commander in chief of the afshar army-sunni muslims not shiits like the safavids and ahmad shah durrani was the founder of the afghan empire that still exist.i say that as a khilji.you hazaras and tajiks never did 1 % of the good work what ahmad shah durrani did.he defeated the maharatas that started to massacre muslims with the sikhs in india and he captured old afghan territorys united old afghan areas no tajik or hazara could ever do this.the reason why after the dead of ahmad shah durrani his empire broke down is the same reason like today in afghanistan the good thing is you parsiwanism guys always end like bacha sarqow or this imigrant massoud in shiat.cant wait to see the statuer of this hazara monkey abdul ali mazari in your rektum when the afghans sending you back home to mongolia