Pakis want to merge Afghanistan with Pakistan.

[abassinafghan]

I dont hate neither like pakistan.But my pashtunwali teaches me yo always respect and be loyal to your guadian.and hence this is teh reason i respect aswell as i am loyal to Pakistan

Because Pakistan is my guardian in a sense
Pakistan has

*Protected me from foriegn occupation vis a vis afghan govt has always failed to protect its citizen be it from USSR,AMERICA or even Pakistan and iran
*has given me a citizenship
*has given me education
*has given me and my family a source to earn
*has given me the best a state can


do you want me to abuse my guardian?if you want so i will do it but according to my pashtunwali i will not remain a pashtun anymore

a pimp also takes care of his prostitutes .


and plz dont use the word pashtunwalli in the context of being a paki .

its like a ***** talking about being a virgin .

[Badlun]

Because unlike Jews, Pashtun from Pakistan have no love for Afghanistan. It will turn into a welcoming sign for insurgence. I don't know where you have been the last 30 years, but reality have changed and you don't need to be a mastermind to know the answer for such a stupid question.

It means the only link now between Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns is cultural, historic, anthropological, linguistic, economic, commercial but not political. Do you agree with this? If you agree then these slogans like Loy Afghansitan, Pashtunistan etc are just redundant now.

If Pakistani Pashtuns do not have love for Afghanistan then is there any reason for that? Do Afghan Pashtuns have love for Pakistani Pashtuns. I need your honest feedback not bashing.

[Since1947]

Oh my...

Seriously... hold your horses, the average Pakistani isn't interested in annexing Afghanistan at all. So don't have nightmares about the Punjabization of Afghanistan. Unfortunately, we may have a few people among us who dream about taking over indian or afghan land, but you can count them on one hand.
If there is one things that most of us are concerned about, it must be the Durand Line being recognized as our official border.

[DSM0305]

It means the only link now between Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns is cultural, historic, anthropological, linguistic, economic, commercial but not political. Do you agree with this? If you agree then these slogans like Loy Afghansitan, Pashtunistan etc are just redundant now.

If Pakistani Pashtuns do not have for Afghanistan then is there any reason for that? Do Afghan Pashtuns have love for Pakistani Pashtuns. I need your honest feedback not bashing.

The only link that remains between them is cultural, historic and linguistic. In the future there will be only historical link. There is absolutely nothing in common when it comes to politics.

Pashtunistan, Loy Afghanistan etc. are unachievable if things continue as they do now. The only way to archive these are under circumstances of war. A war that effect our region.
Good example would be WW1/2 and the cold war. If Germany for an example won any of these wars, we would have had a loy Afghanistan. Even if communist prevailed, we would have had loy Afghanistan.
My point is that only major conflict in the world can change our regional circumstance.

[Since1947]

Because unlike Jews, Pashtun from Pakistan have no love for Afghanistan. It will turn into a welcoming sign for insurgence. I don't know where you have been the last 30 years, but reality have changed and you don't need to be a mastermind to know the answer for such a stupid question.

I may not be a Pashtun but I do know that Pak Pashtuns don't really hate their fellow Pashtuns in Afg... at least not as much as the Afghans do. They're being called ''traiters'', ''sellouts'', ''Punjabi/Paki puppets'' and what not. Simply because they happen to live in Pakistan and contribute to Pakistan. I could understand why some may not be very fond of the ones living on the other side of the border. (Love should come from both sides... Oops.)

[DSM0305]

I may not be a Pashtun but I do know that Pak Pashtuns don't really hate their fellow Pashtuns in Afg... at least not as much as the Afghans do. They're being called ''traiters'', ''sellouts'', ''Punjabi/Paki puppets'' and what not. Simply because they happen to live in Pakistan and contribute to Pakistan. I could understand why some may not be very fond of the ones living on the other side of the border. (Love should come from both sides... Oops.)

And you know that because you have contributed your entire life on that issue and made 30 years of research. You were going around the afg/pak border and interviewed Pashtun from both sides and measured their love for each other. Afterward you put your result in a graph to measure who hates who more.

[Since1947]

And you know that because you have contributed your entire life on that issue and made 30 years of research. You were going around the afg/pak border and interviewed Pashtun from both sides and measured their love for each other. Afterward you put your result in a graph to measure who hates who more.

If that was the requirement in order to claim something, than more than half of the crap posted on the forum wouldn't be allowed here.

My bad, I should have mentioned that it was an opinion based on experience rather than a fact backed by scientific results. I could be wrong.

[DSM0305]

If that was the requirement in order to claim something, than more than half of the crap posted on the forum wouldn't be allowed here.

My bad, I should have mentioned that it was an opinion based on experience rather than a fact backed by scientific results. I could be wrong.

No one said it not allowed to be here, but to put it simple more than at least 90% posted here or any other forum is wrong.

So you claim it is an opinion based on experience? Let me ask you from what experience. Forums and Internet posts cant be counted as experience if that is your source.

If I had to guess then your opinion isn't formed based upon experience, but rather around prejudice.

[Khostai]

No one said it not allowed to be here, but to put it simple more than at least 90% posted here or any other forum is wrong.

So you claim it is an opinion based on experience? Let me ask you from what experience. Forums and Internet posts cant be counted as experience if that is your source.

If I had to guess then your opinion isn't formed based upon experience, but rather around prejudice.

Afghan PAshtuns don't really hate, but there some truth in what he is saing, I heard once some Pashtuns from Afghanistan critices a man becuase he married a Pakistany girl, I tought first that the girl must be Punjabi but later I came to know that girl was Pashtana from Pechawar.....But still they reacted like he married some total foreigner....Day by day Pashtuns from Afghanistan see Pakistany PAshtuns more as a Paki than an PAshtun.....

I think after a couple more years the two group will see eacht other as difrent people, like Tajiks from Afghanistan and Tajiks from Tajikistan.
They don't really hate each other but see each other as total strangers.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

a pimp also takes care of his prostitutes .


and plz dont use the word pashtunwalli in the context of being a paki .

its like a ***** talking about being a virgin .

While we do really know who is the prostitute having more than 42 countries occupying it since the day pashtuns of pakistan were sold to british india.

But still we Karlani pashtun don't even need a certificate of being a pashtun from a persian tajikized kabuli(once they were known as pashtun today due to extensive persianization they are now throughout the world known as kabuli)


this is the reason Pashtuns of pakistan and even India has been known around the world while those in afghanistan are only known for bad activities.

but still we respect them atleast those who are still pashtuns not kabuli

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Afghan PAshtuns don't really hate, but there some truth in what he is saing, I heard once some Pashtuns from Afghanistan critices a man becuase he married a Pakistany girl, I tought first that the girl must be Punjabi but later I came to know that girl was Pashtana from Pechawar.....But still they reacted like he married some total foreigner....Day by day Pashtuns from Afghanistan see Pakistany PAshtuns more as a Paki than an PAshtun.....

I think after a couple more years the two group will see eacht other as difrent people, like Tajiks from Afghanistan and Tajiks from Tajikistan.
They don't really hate each other but see each other as total strangers.

even though sad but it is happening on our side aswell

Marrying a afghan pashtun is considered very bad here.though in peshawar people usually marry them as the one in peshawar especially in the hayatabad are one of the richest afghanistani pashtuns and they now own kpk domicile aswell.

Believe me even the saraiki people in dera ismail khan don't want to marry them as they are called as afghanistanis.Which is considered a big no.

sad but true

[asad71]

History tells us that Kabul, Peshawar and Lahore often had a common sovereign.At times this extended to Kandahar and Ghazni,Uzbekistan,Multan, Delhi and Hindustan.

[DSM0305]

Afghan PAshtuns don't really hate, but there some truth in what he is saing, I heard once some Pashtuns from Afghanistan critices a man becuase he married a Pakistany girl, I tought first that the girl must be Punjabi but later I came to know that girl was Pashtana from Pechawar.....But still they reacted like he married some total foreigner....Day by day Pashtuns from Afghanistan see Pakistany PAshtuns more as a Paki than an PAshtun.....

I think after a couple more years the two group will see eacht other as difrent people, like Tajiks from Afghanistan and Tajiks from Tajikistan.
They don't really hate each other but see each other as total strangers.

That what I said in my previous post.

Pasthuns are currently only linked by culture, language and history. Politically we are completely different. In the future even our link through culture and language will perish as well.

In Afghanistan there is two kind of Pashtuns in terms of view on Pakistan. Lets call them A and B.

A are patriot Pashtuns who would like to see a Pashtunistan or Loy Afghanistan. For that reason they are anti Pakistan.

B are more religious and are pro Pakistan.

Both of them have some cons and pros for Pashtuns.

A would like to unite Pashtuns for real and want a central government for Pashtuns. The pro about this is, that it is a long term solution and will solve every problem Pashtuns have today. Our culture and language will also be one. The con about this is, it will take some time and effort to archive. Also we will politically be different for the time being.

B would like to have a good relation with Pakistan. The pros with this is, that Pashtuns from both side would get closer politically. The cons is that our language and culture will still get farther away from each other. Also Pashtuns will never be united again under one government.

Basically A offers a long term solution and B offers a short term solution.

[Badlun]

About 15 million Afghan Pashtuns should not disown about 40 millions of Pakistani Pashtuns. It will be a huge loss.

Pakistani Pashtuns should also not forget that the only refuge of Pashto is Afghanistan as Pashto(writing/reading) is already dead in Pakistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

About 15 million Afghan Pashtuns should not disown about 40 millions of Pakistani Pashtuns. It will be a huge loss.

Pakistani Pashtuns should also not forget that the only refuge of Pashto is Afghanistan as Pashto(writing/reading) is already dead in Pakistan.

Well in bannu,they do teach you pashto aswell.But the problem is only till grade 8th since the Board doesnt take pashto paper,the reason it is not thought in grade 9th/10th and beyond

Will you believe that even the high standard school like panel(christians owned) does teach you pashto till grade 8th.infact we were even thought arabic but later dropped.

I believe if the qablistan is created as a new province,they might be having pashto as official language,

In Pakistan only sindh has sindhi as official language and is also forced by the sindh govt to be thought in school.