Symbolic And Nominal Islam: Reinstating Public Stoning for Adultery

[EvilPakistani]

Learn about Islam before talking about it.

lol, you seem to have a holier-than-thou mentality, what makes you think you know more about Islam than I do?or that I haven't studied Islam?

You haven't addressed any of my points and you're now telling me to read a book, that's just downright weak, truth is you don't have a good response to any of my queries.

[Khilji]

@Shamlawar-Khurasani:


Why would anybody want to confess to a crime that could cost them their life and integrity?and confessions aren't always solid proof because people can also be coerced(pressured) into confessing for certain reasons, the people accusing the person of zina could try to trap that person, so you shouldn't rely on confessions only, forensic evidence maybe more accurate but it still doesn't prove consent.



Praying 5 times a day is a pillar of Islam, but stoning somebody for zina isn't a pillar, it's part of Sharia and depending on certain circumstance you can reinterpret it, the Qur'an mentions that adulterers should be stoned, but it also mentions 4 male witnesses, so that verse it more symbolic, it's trying to warn Muslims of committing such a grave sin but that since it's almost impossible to prove zina, you should leave it to Allah almighty to decide and punish, we can't take his place, we can't make error-free judgments as grave zina.



You still didn't answer any of my questions, if you want to go back to 7th century arabia then lets allow kids to get married and Muslim men should be allowed to own concubines.

P.S are you a salafist?

"child marriage,child prostetution,sex tourism"
is existing in pakistan in many provinces i dont talk about hera mandi, lahwore i mean the so wannabe civilisist areas and provinces like islamabad

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

lol, you seem to have a holier-than-thou mentality, what makes you think you know more about Islam than I do?or that I haven't studied Islam?

You haven't addressed any of my points and you're now telling me to read a book, that's just downright weak, truth is you don't have a good response to any of my queries.

You need to become a Muslim again. This is why I dont have to address any of your queries. You have left the fold of Islam in your previous posts. Maybe you were already an apostate. But you can still return to Islam. Read those books, make taubah and say the kalimah shahada. Otherwise you will die as an apostate

[EvilPakistani]

You need to become a Muslim again. This is why I dont have to address any of your queries. You have left the fold of Islam in your previous posts. Maybe you were already an apostate. But you can still return to Islam. Read those books, make taubah and say the kalimah shahada. Otherwise you will die as an apostate

How have I become an apostate?Anybody that doesn't agree with you is an apostate?Who gives you the right to call somebody an apostate, it's forbidden in Islam to call a Muslim a Kafir,anybody that does so is an apostate himself, but I've read your previous posts and you've thrown that term around like it means nothing.

I never imply anything, nor did I blaspheme Islam, I just raised some good points to counter your agenda of stoning adulterers, you just don't want to answer my points cause you have no good response, you're just running away like a little kid with his hands in his ears calling me names.

[Khilji]

How have I become an apostate?Anybody that doesn't agree with you is an apostate?Who gives you the right to call somebody an apostate, it's forbidden in Islam to call a Muslim a Kafir,anybody that does so is an apostate himself, but I've read your previous posts and you've thrown that term around like it means nothing.

I never imply anything, nor did I blaspheme Islam, I just raised some good points to counter your agenda of stoning adulterers, you just don't want to answer my points cause you have no good response, you're just running away like a little kid with his hands in his ears calling me names.

A Special Gift From Afghanistan to Punjabi Pakistan; Pashto-Afghan Poetry - YouTube

[EvilPakistani]

"child marriage,child prostetution,sex tourism"
is existing in pakistan in many provinces i dont talk about hera mandi, lahwore i mean the so wannabe civilisist areas and provinces like islamabad

You didn't what I said, you should read my earlier posts on this thread before jumping in a conversation.

I know child marriages/prostitution occur in Pakistan too,I'm not suggesting that it doesn't exist, it wasn't even part of our debate.

The OP Shamlawar wants to stone adulterers because he claims that's how it was done, I told him, if you want to adopt something from the 7th century then we should adopt everything.

This isn't even about Pakistan or Afghanistan, don't turn this thread into a Pakistan vs Afghanistan thread, it's about Islam and the interpretation of sharia within the current cultural context.

[EvilPakistani]

A Special Gift From Afghanistan to Punjabi Pakistan; Pashto-Afghan Poetry - YouTube

Lol, nice try but I'm not Punjabi

[Khilji]

You didn't what I said, you should read my earlier posts on this thread before jumping in a conversation.

I know child marriages/prostitution occur in Pakistan too,I'm not suggesting that it doesn't exist, it wasn't even part of our debate.

The OP Shamlawar wants to stone adulterers because he claims that's how it was done, I told him, if you want to adopt something from the 7th century then we should adopt everything.

This isn't even about Pakistan or Afghanistan, don't turn this thread into a Pakistan vs Afghanistan thread, it's about Islam and the interpretation of sharia within the current cultural context.

i know but i talked from my own point for napakistan very discusting country i say that as a pakhtun and alhamdulilah muslim.

[Khilji]

Lol, nice try but I'm not Punjabi

nono this is a pashto poem about napakistan not important what you are

[Khilji]

You didn't what I said, you should read my earlier posts on this thread before jumping in a conversation.

I know child marriages/prostitution occur in Pakistan too,I'm not suggesting that it doesn't exist, it wasn't even part of our debate.

The OP Shamlawar wants to stone adulterers because he claims that's how it was done, I told him, if you want to adopt something from the 7th century then we should adopt everything.

This isn't even about Pakistan or Afghanistan, don't turn this thread into a Pakistan vs Afghanistan thread, it's about Islam and the interpretation of sharia within the current cultural context.

not important what you said before you are a paki and you act as a nationalistic paki and i just show what a paki for me is this poem says actually nearly everything but dont talks about the 60 years of muslim killings by the napakis

[EvilPakistani]

i know but i talked from my own point for napakistan very discusting country i say that as a pakhtun and alhamdulilah muslim.

refering to Pakistan as napakistan doesn't make it that, it's ironic coming from an Afghan cause Afghanistan isn't any better than Pakistan, I don't even want to turn this into a Pakistani vs Afghan thread, lets just stick to the topic.

P.S I've got many Pakhtun friends that are proud Pakistanis.

[EvilPakistani]

[MENTION=5560]Khilji[/MENTION]
you act like a nationalistic Afghan, in fact most Afghans see themselves as Afghan first and Muslims last.

[Khilji]

refering to Pakistan as napakistan doesn't make it that, it's ironic coming from an Afghan cause Afghanistan isn't any better than Pakistan, I don't even want to turn this into a Pakistani vs Afghan thread, lets just stick to the topic.

P.S I've got many Pakhtun friends that are proud Pakistanis.

i have alot of pakistani friends that shaming themselfs for beeing pakistanis they wishing death to pakistan
and the ironie is that you talking about child marriage but everywhere in pakistan the pakis they doing it anyways death to napakistan yara

[Khilji]

[MENTION=5560]Khilji[/MENTION]
you act like a nationalistic Afghan, in fact most Afghans see themselves as Afghan first and Muslims last.

no i am just discust that a napakistani try to explain what islam is and what not

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

How have I become an apostate?Anybody that doesn't agree with you is an apostate?Who gives you the right to call somebody an apostate, it's forbidden in Islam to call a Muslim a Kafir,anybody that does so is an apostate himself, but I've read your previous posts and you've thrown that term around like it means nothing.

I never imply anything, nor did I blaspheme Islam, I just raised some good points to counter your agenda of stoning adulterers, you just don't want to answer my points cause you have no good response, you're just running away like a little kid with his hands in his ears calling me names.

Read those books and you will understand why you are not a Muslim.