Munawar Hassan insulted soldiers, martyrs: ISPR

[Pakwatan]

Are you are hindu? no wonder you call everyone ''saab'', your hindu roots are stuck in your genes. I know it may surprise you, but Muslims don't have a caste system. So don't come to a Pashtunforum and practice your caste system. In every post you call people ''khan saab'' ''saab'' etc. I know caste system is common amongst Punjabis, but don't come around and practice your kafir system here.

I have no caste system. I address everyone as Saaab, out of respect. It is equivalent to saying Sir in English for me. I treat every person fairly and address them as sir.

You want to accuse me of being Hindu, but please. I dare you. Post your photo. If this '"Hindu" is lighter skinned than you, then what will you say?

If I am darker skinned than you, but respect others what am I?

Please stop being racist. If you are Muslim, this is very bad thing for you brother.


Many of you Afghans say Punjabis are dark, ect. Post your pics. I will post mine. We can see who is dark or who not. But this infatuation is only with you Afghans. :D

[Smarty]

In 2004 many deobandi ulemas of pakistan issued fatwa that muslims shouldn't attend the funeral of paki soldiers fighting against tribals in waziristan......As deobandis pashtun soldiers in army and FC should have listened to those fatwas in 2004.

Munawar hassan has raised a valid question and it has sparked much needed debate in the country. It is good to hear that paki army's morale is going down further with this statement of munawar hassan.

[DSM0305]

I have no caste system. I address everyone as Saaab, out of respect. It is equivalent to saying Sir in English for me. I treat every person fairly and address them as sir.

You want to accuse me of being Hindu, but please. I dare you. Post your photo. If this '"Hindu" is lighter skinned than you, then what will you say?

If I am darker skinned than you, but respect others what am I?

Please stop being racist. If you are Muslim, this is very bad thing for you brother.


Many of you Afghans say Punjabis are dark, ect. Post your pics. I will post mine. We can see who is dark or who not. But this infatuation is only with you Afghans. :D

You say, you don't practice caste system, yet you want to prove you're a Muslim by your skin color... You have hereby proven you're are true hindu with a caste system.
Take your inferiority complex regarding your skin color somewhere else.
Never seen a person trying to determine whatever they are Muslim or not by skin color... Never seen somebody sink so low.
May god guide you to the right path. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you will drop your caste system and convert to Islam.

[Pakwatan]

You say, you don't practice caste system, yet you want to prove you're a Muslim by your skin color... You have hereby proven you're are true hindu with a caste system.
Take your inferiority complex regarding your skin color somewhere else.
Never seen a person trying to determine whatever they are Muslim or not by skin color... Never seen somebody sink so low.
May god guide you to the right path. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you will drop your caste system and convert to Islam.

Haha.

My friend. From several threads I read here, it is that Pakistanis are dark Hindu people.

I am trying to show you that Pakistanis come in all shapes and sizes. My skin color have nothing to do with my Imaan, and how I practice Islam. Many Afghans come here with a false and negative stereotype of Pakistanis, but why?

According to you guys, a pashtun can only be light skinned and farsi speaker.

I am happy with Pashtuns in my country. They keep their culture and language and don't have to fight about it.

I have nothing to prove, but I only come here to explain about Punjabi perspective.

[DSM0305]

Haha.

My friend. From several threads I read here, it is that Pakistanis are dark Hindu people.

I am trying to show you that Pakistanis come in all shapes and sizes. My skin color have nothing to do with my Imaan, and how I practice Islam. Many Afghans come here with a false and negative stereotype of Pakistanis, but why?

According to you guys, a pashtun can only be light skinned and farsi speaker.

I am happy with Pashtuns in my country. They keep their culture and language and don't have to fight about it.

I have nothing to prove, but I only come here to explain about Punjabi perspective.

Quote me an Afghan who have insulted you Punjabis because of your skin color.

Quote me an Afghan who have said a Pashtun have to speak farsi.

The fact is you cant show me those people, because they don't exist.

And the fact remain Punjabis are obsessed with skin color and keep bringing it up.

I am not here to insult you, but it is an obligation to guide a fellow brother away from Hindu caste system.

First drop your ''khan saab'' ''saab'' etc. If you want to show respect then call the person uncle or brother. ''Khan saab'' ''saab'' all these are a part of Hindu culture and the caste system. If you truly are a Muslim, then stop using them.

Second of all, drop your inferiority complex regarding your skin. Your skin color have no meaning and shouldn't be an issue. God have given you the skin color you have, and there is nothing wrong with it. So for the love of god, drop your inferiority complex.

[jankhan]

Well there is extreme hypocricy in secularists, when Akbar Bugti was killed he was declared as a shaheed by ANP, MQM, PPPP and all others but no one raised any such point though he was also fighting against the army and Pakistan.
Then if you read a book written by an ex general Shahid aziz, in his book he declares this war as a war against Islam and Muslims and find his army to be totally wrong and he has written many other things but no one can say anything against him because he is a GENERAL, he is from an institution which has the status of a holy cow.
So today if MQM and ANP is talking about banning JI then first they should ban Pak army and then ban their own parties..
Thank you

[Shah-i-Kot]

Islamically speaking, those Pakistani soldiers are not allowed to be given a janazah prayer or even have proper burial rights to my knowledge.

The reason is is because the Pakistan Army has supported a NATO war in Afghanistan for the last decade with NATO supply routes. This is considered un-Islamic to support a war on a neighboring Muslim country. Im not saying it, it is Islam saying it.

No one can change the rules of Islam as much as they want to.

[Pakwatan]

Quote me an Afghan who have insulted you Punjabis because of your skin color.

Quote me an Afghan who have said a Pashtun have to speak farsi.

The fact is you cant show me those people, because they don't exist.

And the fact remain Punjabis are obsessed with skin color and keep bringing it up.

I am not here to insult you, but it is an obligation to guide a fellow brother away from Hindu caste system.

First drop your ''khan saab'' ''saab'' etc. If you want to show respect then call the person uncle or brother. ''Khan saab'' ''saab'' all these are a part of Hindu culture and the caste system. If you truly are a Muslim, then stop using them.

Second of all, drop your inferiority complex regarding your skin. Your skin color have no meaning and shouldn't be an issue. God have given you the skin color you have, and there is nothing wrong with it. So for the love of god, drop your inferiority complex.

Lol.


I am probably many years older than you.

You know there is a difference between being proud and then being humble.

In Islam, humbleness is seen as positive virtue.

Calling someone saab, is not looking down on yourself. It is simply a title given out of respect.

I prefer saab, over the farsi version of jaan.

Jann, just sounds homosexual.

And regarding skin color, I don't care one bit. It is only the Afghan posters on this forum that bring it up again and again.

I just wanted to address it.

[Tiger Khan]

punjabies and most eastern ethnic groups of pakistan are concerned about their skin color hence.. so many skin whittening advertsiments.. they are not as preoccupied with it though as this thread is trying to implicate.. lol..

I think munawar just said what was beneath the surface for a very long time.. although i think pakistani taliban are dogs.. but inorder to motivate pakistani army to fight and kill fellow "muslims" you (the centre) have to establish that they aint muslims at all.,, and clearly communicate the idea.. on the other hand .. the way (i think) pakistani taliban are manipulated by their masters is that .. since pakistan does whatever amercians want them to do.. and pakistani army is fighting on behest of america.. so you are actually fighting americans (indirectly)..

I think the solution to the problem should be for pakistan to re-evaluate its foreign policy and have minimum relations with america and be brave for a change..

Plus. i like dark complection.. (I had to say that )

[Bengal_Tiger]

Islamically speaking, those Pakistani soldiers are not allowed to be given a janazah prayer or even have proper burial rights to my knowledge.

The reason is is because the Pakistan Army has supported a NATO war in Afghanistan for the last decade with NATO supply routes. This is considered un-Islamic to support a war on a neighboring Muslim country. Im not saying it, it is Islam saying it.

No one can change the rules of Islam as much as they want to.

Pakistanis are taught from a young age that Bengalis are traitors, "ghaddar", because they "sided with Hindu India against Muslim Pakistan".

This is nonsense because it was a dispute between two groups of Muslims, Pakistanis and Bengalis and Pakistanis attacked and then Bengalis established an independent Muslim state. Non-Muslim America supported Pakistan, Non-Muslim India supported Bangladesh. End outcome, independent Sunni Muslim state of Bangladesh whereas Pakistan is ruled by Shias and Sunnis and ministers that cannot recite the Quran properly.

However these same Pakistanis think it is fine to side with non-Muslim America against Muslims, Afghans. This is not "ghaddaree" (treachery) in their eyes.

They are indeed a brainwashed nation.


Anyway karma is striking the Pakistani army who used to declare Bengalis as non-Muslim (Hindu) and misuse Islam to legitimize their killing, as this same Pakistan army is now being called a "murtad" (apostate) army by Islamic militants.

[EvilPakistani]

Some of the people on this forum don't make any sense to me.

They hate the Taliban, and they blame the Pakistani army for supporting the Taliban, however they consider the Pakistani soldiers infidels because they're fighting the Taliban, and they don't consider Karzai an infidel because he was in touch with the TTP, and tried to use them(and probably is using them)as a proxy against Pakistan.

The Afghans and Pakistani-haters like BengalTiger on this forum need to make up their mind.

BengalTiger goes on long diatribes against Pakistan and the Jamaat-e-Islami, yet now that the Jamaat has called Pakistani soldiers infidels, he likes them.

Everybody here loves to blame Pakistan for everything, even if it doesn't make any sense.

If the Taliban kills innocent people in Afghanistan or Pakistan:Blame the Pakistani army
If a Talib gets killed by a US drone strike:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Taliban takes control of parts of KPK:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Pakistani army drives out these Talibani militants from KPK:Accuse the Pakistani army of "Pashtun genocide"
If Pakistan supports the Taliban:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan opposes the Taliban:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan gives sanctuaries to these militants:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan kicks these militants back to Afghanistan:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan supported the War on terror in Afghanistan:Pakistan is evil because it let America attack a "Muslim country".
If Pakistan tried to oppose America's invasion, Pakistan would still be accused by the same Afghans of supporting an oppressive regime in their country and harboring terrorists.

We're damned if we do, and we're damned if don't.

Most of the users on this forum are really perplexing, they just need a reason to hate Pakistan.

[KGODB]

Some of the people on this forum don't make any sense to me.

They hate the Taliban, and they blame the Pakistani army for supporting the Taliban, however they consider the Pakistani soldiers infidels because they're fighting the Taliban, and they don't consider Karzai an infidel because he was in touch with the TTP, and tried to use them(and probably is using them)as a proxy against Pakistan.

The Afghans and Pakistani-haters like BengalTiger on this forum need to make up their mind.

BengalTiger goes on long diatribes against Pakistan and the Jamaat-e-Islami, yet now that the Jamaat has called Pakistani soldiers infidels, he likes them.

Everybody here loves to blame Pakistan for everything, even if it doesn't make any sense.

If the Taliban kills innocent people in Afghanistan or Pakistan:Blame the Pakistani army
If a Talib gets killed by a US drone strike:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Taliban takes control of parts of KPK:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Pakistani army drives out these Talibani militants from KPK:Accuse the Pakistani army of "Pashtun genocide"
If Pakistan supports the Taliban:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan opposes the Taliban:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan gives sanctuaries to these militants:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan kicks these militants back to Afghanistan:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan supported the War on terror in Afghanistan:Pakistan is evil because it let America attack a "Muslim country".
If Pakistan tried to oppose America's invasion, Pakistan would still be accused by the same Afghans of supporting an oppressive regime in their country and harboring terrorists.

We're damned if we do, and we're damned if don't.

Most of the users on this forum are really perplexing, they just need a reason to hate Pakistan.

You do raise really good points. Very few people have the strength to look at them selves and their faults critically. It is always easier to point the finger at others.

Afghans have an incredible tendency to blame others, but this is compounded by the fact that others do deserve alot of blame.

Having said that, Pakistans double games contribute to the perplexity of the responses here

[Bengal_Tiger]

I have blocked the prolific liar and troll "EvilPakistani", but unfortunately I can read his lies when people quote him.

However for the sake of clarity I would just like to tell everyone nowhere have I supported Jamaat e Islami be it their Pakistani or Bangladeshi wings and am totally opposed to this organization which played a big role in the 1971 genocide. In fact just to highlight how much of a liar this character is, I have even started another thread to monitor this organization i.e both its wings in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-news/40393.htm

Once again this individual is lying and fabricating complete nonsense, but what can one expect with such an apt and appropriate username i.e. "EvilPakistani".

[jankhan]

Some of the people on this forum don't make any sense to me.

They hate the Taliban, and they blame the Pakistani army for supporting the Taliban, however they consider the Pakistani soldiers infidels because they're fighting the Taliban, and they don't consider Karzai an infidel because he was in touch with the TTP, and tried to use them(and probably is using them)as a proxy against Pakistan.

The Afghans and Pakistani-haters like BengalTiger on this forum need to make up their mind.

BengalTiger goes on long diatribes against Pakistan and the Jamaat-e-Islami, yet now that the Jamaat has called Pakistani soldiers infidels, he likes them.

Everybody here loves to blame Pakistan for everything, even if it doesn't make any sense.

If the Taliban kills innocent people in Afghanistan or Pakistan:Blame the Pakistani army
If a Talib gets killed by a US drone strike:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Taliban takes control of parts of KPK:Blame the Pakistani army
If the Pakistani army drives out these Talibani militants from KPK:Accuse the Pakistani army of "Pashtun genocide"
If Pakistan supports the Taliban:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan opposes the Taliban:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan gives sanctuaries to these militants:Pakistan is evil!
If Pakistan kicks these militants back to Afghanistan:Pakistan is still evil!
If Pakistan supported the War on terror in Afghanistan:Pakistan is evil because it let America attack a "Muslim country".
If Pakistan tried to oppose America's invasion, Pakistan would still be accused by the same Afghans of supporting an oppressive regime in their country and harboring terrorists.

We're damned if we do, and we're damned if don't.

Most of the users on this forum are really perplexing, they just need a reason to hate Pakistan.

It is because musarraf dog started this double game with pakistani nation and this double game is still continuing and confusing the whole nation.
So you need taliban to be killed and at the same time you need them to nourish them and use them for your vested interests.
pak army and isi is the root cause of all the problems of the nations. They eat huge budget of the nation and then does some **** in the shape of separation of bangladesh, kargil, kashmir, war on terror, gave airports and seaports against a muslim country, signed agreements against muslim brothers secretely, handing over their own people to america including a woman to american dogs and then call themselves as the protectors of the nation... its ridiculous.

[afghan]

i guess he meant if paki army officers are shaheed then the aliban are shaheed as well, bother are killing pashtun. they are part of one another.