are you racist?

[Mayana]

It is my whole point to accept them all.. In my post, I was not referring to all the members of the forum or all Pashtuns in general, but just one individual. Some people need to go to Southern Afghanistan and see the variety there is there and then come back and tell me they're discriminating against a linguistic group. It's ridiculous more than anything. Not that racism in itself is not ridiculous, but racism that doesn't even go against a race but a linguistic group take the imbecility to a whole new level.

[IamDZJ]

she said it to prove a point yet it's not good enough as the point which you waved off as a fashion statement? i am sorry, what do you mean by that?

[AnGaaR]

If loving my country and ppl is racism.. yes i am a racist..

[Mayana]

But loving your country and people is not 'racism' Angaar Khaana wrora =)

[Nokia_Apridy]

za pa fone yam drta lekem sabar..........

Mayna Za sta Dumra Darnkht kom chay Pukhtuinsta ka wala ka da cha sok

oke.........Khu ta Mung PUKHTANU ta kanzlay mkwa cha

ta Zan PARSIWANA yaye.............

[AnGaaR]

But loving your country and people is not 'racism' Angaar Khaana wrora =)

It is
the country i love is not loved by everyone
in my own country there are racists who dont love my ppl (pashtoons).. thats y i said i am a racist

[Nokia_Apridy]

mnam angara wrar sallooooooooot

[AnGaaR]

za pa fone yam drta lekem sabar..........

Mayna Za sta Dumra Darnkht kom chay Pukhtuinsta ka wala ka da cha sok

oke.........Khu ta Mung PUKHTANU ta kanzlay mkwa cha

ta Zan PARSIWANA yaye.............

Afridiya.. yaw tapos darna kawum chei khafa nashai


Ta pakhton yai kana?
Pakistan kai osaigai
Pakistani passport aw shinakhti card larai
Da pakistan hokomat bijli,school aw har sa darkawi kana?

Hamdasai zmonga ham tajikan ,hazara,uzbek,pashaye aw nor qawmona ya khalak dei chei afghanistan ta raghalei dei aw monga worta passport,school,education aw har sa warkarei dei. Os haghoi ham da Afghanistan khalak dei.. Monga osa porai hagoi bandai hokomat kawoo.
Most of the kings and presidents of Afghanistan were pashtoons
zma pa khyal chei hamaish ba hamdasai wei..


pa pakistan kai na yawazai panjabyan aw pakhtana dei.. halta kho baloch,chitrali,kilash,sindhi,bangali aw nor khalak ham osaigei .. walai da pakistan hokomat haghoi na obasei pakistan na?
da zaka chei os haghoi pakistanian yadaigei

soooooooo farsiwanano kai ham dasai khalak shta chei dair ba insafa aw pak khalak dei..
Pa Afghanistan kai pakhtano da farsiwanano sara wada karai da aw farsiwanano da pakhtano sara.. Dasai khalak pa dai forum kei shta chei mor yai plar yai farsiwan da No hila da chei farsiwanano ta pa spka magora zaka chei haghoi ham na yawazai da Afghanistan dei balki zmonga pa weena ra gadd shawei dei
Oh and zmonga da watan khkula da mix khalko na da.. pakhton,hazara,uzbek,tajik,pashayei aw nor khalak chei yawzai shei no dair khwand kawi... 20-25 kala makhkai zmonga pa watan kai na tajik woo na pakhtoon.. tol afghanan woo.. Da kho os da bahar las wahana da chei yaw na yai pakhton jor ko bal na tajik ya hazara aw pakhpalo kai yai wojangawolo..

tar tso chei monga tol yawzai nasho afghanistan kai amn na razi..
woo kela chei yawzai sho aw aman raghai no bia wrosta ba goro chei sok pa somra obo kai dai aw tsok asli da afghanistan dai


hila da chei khafa nashai


plus... when i said racist in my country.. it goes to specific number of people or i should say elders.. yaw gharib mozdor hazara ya tajik ba sa rasicm wokei?
kabul ta larsha har gharib insan ka pakhton wei ka hazara ya tajik, khpala mozdori kawi aw dodai paida kawi.. ta ba hairan shei chei hazara aw pakhton pa yaw dastarkhwan aw pa yaw plate kai dodai khorei
No afghanistan da qawm mashrano wran ko na chei gharibo khalko

[tor_khan]

Ukhyaree khabaree de wakre AnGaaR Jana.

[tor_khan]

I shouldn't have to vote. It's 1431/2010.

Racism should have long been confined to the dustbin of history.

[Iqra]

Ukhyaree khabaree de wakre AnGaaR Jana.

^ I agree tor khan.. may we remember such wisdom in our hearts InshaAllah and stop this deadly hate!

[Nick]

This is not about fashion statements, this is about racism. So I cannot be discriminated against by people who deliberately claim to be racist against 'parsiwaans' but my mother can because she was not born to a Pashtun father? What about the fact that the only language the Tajiks in my family can speak is Pashto? Does that still make them 'Parsiwans' or is that a 'Pashtowan'? Where do the non-Pashtuns that are fluent in only Pashto fall? If we consider Pashtuns who exclusively speak Dari Parsiwans.. do we consider Tajiks who exclusively speak Pashto Pashtuns too.. or is that a privilege only your father can give you?

I don't seem to grasp the politics of this selective racism, what do these people do, go ask around :"Was your father Tajik? Yea? Oh. I hate you. Ooooh you were just kidding your father is Pashtun? Naah jk I love you bro." ??

Dear Mayana I am sorry but your understanding of logical concept of being Tajik or Fariwan is very weak in compatible to your knowledge of the term "Pashtun" from local prospective you make no sense, from outsiders prospective you are somewhat saying same and fallowing what Kufars have placed their own modern concepts of genealogy, and demographics. If what you are saying is true. Then Hear this no Tajik can ever learn to speak Pashtu or fallow Pashtuniwali which we Fariwans labeled as "Afghaniyat" some-one from Pashtun community doesn't know what the heck does "Afghanniyat" means when them Fariwans fallow all laws or most laws of which is only dominated in Pashtu speaking society, there a rightful name should be given to this "Afghaniyat as "Pashtuniwali". Afghan Niyat is actually two word common in Dari-Farsi but Niyat comes from Arabic word "Neyat" or Niyat which means intention. Therefore Afghanniyat is as important as making a niyat (intention) of salaat, yes its making a sincere honest action of being an Afghan.Well the concept of the word the principles behind the word is very simple as Pashtuniwali, Pashtu is the native language and 80% of Pashtu speaking tribes making up millions of people are also native, since god knows when.. but for the last 5000 years of written documents conforms the people and sometimes even named of some of the well known tribes were labeled as "Afghan". Therefore Afghan is a racial term and Pashtun is a linguistic term, the pashtu speaking people has been classified as "Ethnicity" by westerners and also got the fame from locals where the people take pride for their native language. Where as many farsiwans cannot have the same pride as Pashtuwans or Pashtuns because when it comes to native right of ownership of the land from South of Amo Dayra up to Markan, and from two deathliest Deserts of Iran up to Indus Western Indus Valley Yes the nation we call Afghan Zamen and today the country land lacked by British bears the name "Afghanistan" its ownership will only go to "Pashtu" not to new Multi-Language intermixing which resulted of forcing people by banding speaking older Kufari languages and also peaceful Islamic era which gave many opportunities to new Muslims include knowledge of Allah ie love for Quran, Science, Technology, Mathematics, etc that resulted in fallowing in love with Arabic. Since Farsiwans speaks Farsi's original dialect "Dari" its hard to say "Dari" is native because 80% of Dari Language is NOT native and 51% is Arabic, therefore if any ownership Dari has cannot be selected as "Native" when yet a Language like Pashtu that dates itself to be more then ever native that many linguistics now studying Farsi dialects like Parsi, Dari, Bukhari came to conclusion that in many forms Pashtu is mother to these dialects. Therefore this is fact which many Pashtu speaking children has been told from father to son and continued until this day when linguistics compiling Books after another concludes that Pashtu is old enough to be only serving child of Awesta Guthas that has been old enough to be known as "sister language of Rig Vada" and this Awesta of Guthas has been nicknamed as "Bactrian Langauge" although its nicknamed was not liked by many Fire worshipers of Iran.

What about the fact that the only language the Tajiks in my family can speak is Pashto?

So You claim that your Family members are Pure Tajik (don't be offended but spending years of my research from 4 different language I only came to conclusion that Tajiks are Turko-Mongolians). Yet they purely speak "Pashtu" and yet they never considered themselves "Pashtun" Indeed could be true but you need to clarify this fact what kind of "Pashtuns" are they? Since you claimed their only language is Pashtu, I am not surprised at all. There were 500,000 turkistani Farsizubans meaning Turkic speaking Persians yes I am talking of true Tajiks, who came during Rahman Khan's Era some 600,000 Tajik into Afghanistan. In the War of Basmachi, uprise there were 500,000 Basmachi war against Russia entering Afghanistan again welcomed and only 250,000 left which means another 250,000 Tajiks remained in Afghanistan, in 1990s another 200,000 Tajiks came during Tajik-Civil war, this was well known fact that Rabbani gave them all a welcome and also Afghan passport. Therefore Tajiks came into Afghanistan in different periods slowly settled in many aras including in South, does your family belong to anyone of these migrant "Tajiks". The Arabs from Jowzjan purely and all of them speaks Pashtu, and yet differ from Farah's Arabs who only speaks Dari. So Were they Arabs? There are a group of Jats 99.99% of Jats in Pakistan and Afghanistan are Muslims, and sometimes they are described as "Pashtuns" and sometimes described as "Punjabi" but yet they accepted non, so its possible they maybe Jats! were they Jats?

I think your family were of Tajiks from Turkistan or today known as Tajikistan, therefore its somewhat acceptable for them to accept Turkic given names but native Farsiwans of Afghanistan historically do not side with the concept of Tajik. If So then you might have the right to speak for your Bukhari or Turkistani Afghan Root, but not for the rest of Tajiks or Farsiwans.

A) There is no Tajik nationalism, as like Pashtun nationalism, if there was shell say there should of been a concept of Tajik nation. Hold on, wait a minute I forgot Russians actually have created Tajikistan. There we go, so you see lets be it over with, northern Afghanistan are non-Pashtu speakers therefore if any affiliation with true Tajiks where their home land is north of Amo I am sure Afghanistan with some 45 years of political conflict, and with rise and creation of Tajikistan, your northern afghanistan provinces should of been part of Tajikistan. So if what was holding them? If you say is true and that Tajik identity is alive, and supported I am sure the notion of Nationalism should also be alive. So where is that "Nationalism" Yes I am talking nationalism like the Pashtun Nationalism. If you say is true and that Pashtun and Farsiwans are two different groups and does not belong to one Race, then how come 40% of Afghan Mellat Party are Farsiwans. Yes Farsiwans not Farsizebuns or Farsizebans as Kufars and also few of our lost muslim brothers and sisters, label them Farsiwans as "Tajik". It must be shocking to see that Tajik defends "Pashtun" dominated Party.


Dear Mayana I personally being so inter-connected with Canadian-Afghan community as well as being close to afghans abroad like in Tajikistan, and America and been to Afghanistan 3 times already I don't know of any Family speaking fully Pashtu and yet being considering themselves non-afghan or Tajik, or Uzbeks. Yes I have meet a Pashtun who said his mother was Uzbek and Father Pashtun and to my eyes he was like another Tajikistani. So yes the mixture of Irano-Afghan and Turko-Mongolide gaves faces of Tajikistan. Yes I am Racist and I am sorry but I cannot lie to what my eyes sees. The fact that your family cannot speak Dari, they cannot be considered Tajik, maybe they were Uzbeks maybe Kazaks, maybe Jats, maybe Arabs, Maybe Qazalbash Iranians, maybe turkomans, maybe Aimaqs, maybe Tajikistanis and maybe Balochis, but Tajik cannot be, since the basic foundation of the notion of being classified as "Tajiks" both in Afghanistan as well as in turkistan was engineering of Russians. They must speak Farsi in Afghanistan in order to be classified as "Tajiks".

If you want I can post the early datas from 19th century Russian Genealogists. As well as other info or links so that you have a better understand of what it means to be a Tajik.


Dear Mayana I have heard your concerns and the love for your country. I understand we all work for unity. But unity can only come when we have understanding of each-other. The backlash of Pashtuns have upset some of us, and you are working in making a bond of these two groups by bringing in your example of your own family. But this is not the case in all times. Pashtu is a native language by which even people of non-Pashtu like myself are attracted. I cannot say I am Pashtun, because I don't speak a word of Pashtu, despite Pashtun nationalism likes to expand and would include anyone, in the same matter I cannot be Tajik if I don't speak a word of Dari. Overall the whole argument can be Summarized into "All Pashtuns are Afghan, but not all Afghans are Pashtuns" By this we do not mean "Afghan" in terms of Nationality, but rather racially we use the original word with the sound "Aoghan". If your family speaks Pashtu then welcome to the Afghan accepted community if you are like me, then suffer until you are ready to either accept Afghaniyat, or Pashtu dominated society. Not a Bad, although many in the modern times have dissed Pashtu speaking people, but by nature Pashtu speaking people are the most loving, and welcoming people on the planet. I only read it in Books and because I too was rised in front of Media thought this was just exaggeration.
But being in Afghanistan 3 times and all 2 times my most times was spend laughing and researching in the "Dengerous Zone" yes places like Helmand and Khost, Kunar and Farah where I found people to be very welcoming and the people knew I wasn't speaking a word of Pashtu, yet I was eating with them like if I was eating with my own uncles and family members despite we meet an hour ago. Since than I feel in love with Afghan nationalism, and accepted the fact that what we Farsiwans have in our roots is shared or came from Pashtuwans. Therefore I came to conclusion that Afghan by itself can be an Ethnicity, Race, and even a Tribe. Because all of these words share a commonalities which defines us to use one over another. In some Books I have read Afghan as being "Tribe" in some books and news media I have read "Afghan" as being "Race" in some Books specially English books printed in Indian classifies "Afghan" as an Ethnicity. All of these are man made words which people around the world have used it, despite what we use, as long as we know we fallow the same tribal names, lifestyle, culture, cloths, religion, and tradition, then we know we are one. What Language we speak, well I would prefer Arabic, and some people would prefer English, Pashtu and Dari, well lets teach the next generation to not be like me. But as long as we don't fight over languages cause really its such an stupid thing. As I always they say Languages not represent our Race, its Race that selects many languages, and Languages always changes over time.

[Mayana]

za pa fone yam drta lekem sabar..........

Mayna Za sta Dumra Darnkht kom chay Pukhtuinsta ka wala ka da cha sok

oke.........Khu ta Mung PUKHTANU ta kanzlay mkwa cha

ta Zan PARSIWANA yaye.............

Za ba pa deh Dunya ki akhira jalay yam chi Pashtano ta ba Kanzal kayih, inshAllah.
Magar staso Khabara, grana Apridi Khana, Ma'na nalarih.. Zma pa Raggo ki, sta pa Estela, ham da 'parsiwanano' weena bayijhi, zma mor da Popalzi mor au da Tajik plar lur da; zma plar da Pashtun plar au da Tajeki mor zuy day.. dagha sengara Esab day? Chi taasee wayaast chi taso da tola Parsiwanano sara nafrat laray, au ya da hoghoi sara 'racist' yast pa Estela, no da kho dagha maana larih, chi bayad da nimay mayani sara nafrat walaray au nimay Mayana pa Dranasht woweena, ka senga?
Zma matlab dagha day, grana wrora, chi mujh bayad da yaweh sarbasteh tolani sara da yao tso Tano da Khataro Nafrat wanalaroo. Ka mujh da daghasi sarbasta Qaom ya da yao 'zhabani tolani' sara da yao tso nafaro pa Khatar, ya da hogho da Karo pa Khatar nafrat walaroo.. no zmojh au da hoghoyoo Farq chishi suh? Khabara pe de ki da chi na tola Pashtaana sha di au na tola Pashtana bad di.. HAMDAGHASI na tola ghairi-Pashtana (yaa 'Parsiwaanan' staso pa Estela) bad di, na tola ghairi-pashtaana sha di..

Khoday ta'la da Insaanano pa Maynz ki qaomoona pa dagha ishi di chi mujh taasi da yao au bal Farq wakralay suh, na pa da Khaata chi mujh da yao au bal benizakati wako ya wuwaayu chi mujh da plaanki au bistaani qaom na sha yu..

It is
the country i love is not loved by everyone
in my own country there are racists who dont love my ppl (pashtoons).. thats y i said i am a racist

But I believe we are using the wrong word here then; personally, I don't appreciate those people who are racist against us either. But being racist means that you systematically treat people differently (in a negative way) because of their race.. That'd mean you treat all Tajiks just bad because they're Tajik.. and I know you don't do that.. that's why I pointed it out, graana wrora

[amna.]

Nick that was an amazing response by you. When I read one of her replies I had similar thougts I must say but I wasn't sure.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Mayna

Ma hem da PAKISTAN AIR FORCE

ka SABAK Walay da khu Za ZAN NAMAK HARAMA

kwalay sham ta maga shan waye chay

haga zma mor PARSIWANA Wa ..

Wa WOS HAGA PUKHTUNANA ZMUNG TOLO MOR da

Angara Za ba hem Wos Lag Walkem ...........

Zalima INSAF pa mana za hem na Pohgay....ZMA SRA PA PF Forum

ka HINDU PUSHTUN da.......KASAM da ma di para rogho INDIA Sra

mena Walara gani za da INDIA na KARKA (HATE) kwam

ZA DA HINDU PUKHTUN PA TOLO PARSIWANU Na badlwam

sa WAJA da..........Mata zma MAZHAB DAGA EJAZA na Rakaye khu

ZA DA MZHAB PARWA NA KWAM WOS TA SOCH OKA

Sta PARSIWANO ka ao Ma KA Parq sa da.....

Haga Zma Jabay Puray khandey zka pa PUKHTUNISTAN ka

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Mara NARAY DUNYA Zma PUKHTUISTAN bachu ta sa waye ?

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ta ba ya da ma ELAJ kway.........

AO za da MULAH UMER HEM KHELAF YAM chay

HAGA SA WAKRAL Dasey na da khu Zeker chay kala da MULA UMER Wi..

ZA bya hem LEKEM CHAY RACIST YAM KHU MUNAFIQ NA...

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LAKA TOILET KA HAGA T.PAPER ....

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HINDU PUKHTUN .....

AO nur Mata kanzlay Wakray NU PUKHTUN TA

YA GELAM JAMA KANZLAY KAYE YA

DAMA...................